League Cup 3rd Round

Manchester United 0:1 West Ham United

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Wed, 22 September 2021 @ 7:45pm BST
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    TwoSheds said:
    Think West Ham will start a 2nd XI because Moyes doesn't care about winning trophies. As such I'd go with a fairly young lineup ourselves and bring a few big guns off the bench if needed.

    Heaton/Henderson
    Dalot Varane Lindelof Telles
    Hannibal Matic
    Amad Shoretire Sancho
    Martial

    Subs on if we're struggling: Greenwood, McT, Ronaldo

    Subs on if we're winning by a couple: Elanga, McT, Fish
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    Shoretire played 90 minutes in the EFL Trophy last night.
     
    TwoSheds said:
    Think West Ham will start a 2nd XI because Moyes doesn't care about winning trophies. As such I'd go with a fairly young lineup ourselves and bring a few big guns off the bench if needed.

    Heaton/Henderson
    Dalot Varane Lindelof Telles
    Hannibal Matic
    Amad Shoretire Sancho
    Martial

    Subs on if we're struggling: Greenwood, McT, Ronaldo

    Subs on if we're winning by a couple: Elanga, McT, Fish
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    Poor Donny still can’t get a game :(
     
    Strelok said:
    Not me tbh I can't care less about this cup. Ole should wise up and dumb this like Klopp. Play the backups so they can have some game time, see what they can do and give the major of the first XI a rest. If we win, good if not big fecking deal tbh.
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    I agree, but lose tonight and #oleout will be trending and the usual threads will be bumped immediately.
     
    Antonio will mp play as he missed weekend
     
    I’d rather the Villa game was televised as I think it will be a cracker but nice to get a weekly fix of United tonight.
     
    Redfrog said:
    Ole played decent amount of youngster last year. Amad, Elanga Shoretire all played a bit.
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    Not much though and only in meaningless games. I think Shoretire only played like 20 minutes or something for example.

    Redfrog said:
    To play an entire 11in a cup game because you want the first team to rest is not giving the youngsters a chance and that’s what Klopp do most of the time. So he can say he played youngsters and he has an excuse if he lose.
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    I don't think anyone says that Ole should play 11 youngsters and that's not really what Klopp does either, does he? He played two, three youngsters yesterday and they won 3-0 away to a PL team. I've no idea if he will sell them or not, neither do you. He has played Elliott regularly at first-team level though and I'm pretty sure they do not look to sell him anytime soon.

    Redfrog said:
    Now if you look at us, we play youngsters that have a real chance to make it here and who are ready or almost ready. That way you play less youngsters but if they do it they will stay probably all their career here. It was always like that for United. If you are good enough you are old enough. But I don’t see the point to play youngsters only to play them.
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    You could argue that some of them are good enough. Are Hannibal worse than Daniel James was or is Elanga worse than Mata? You also have to look at squad building for the future. Does it benefit the team more long-term if you play Elanga instead of Mata? I would say yes. Does it benefit the team more short-term if you play Mata instead of Elanga? I'm honestly not sure. In my world, Elanga should be played before Mata and there are other examples too. That's where we differ and it's probably a visionary thing and I also think it's a little about bravery. As a Man United manager, you have to take risks, I don't like to compare to Sir Alex but he was a risktaker.

    Redfrog said:
    Ole play less now as we have a better team and he needs to give game time to everyone. And honestly I don’t know why is that a problem. The youngsters should earn it not the other way round. The bests of the lot will find a way to make it, the rest will find another club after a very good formation here.

    Everyone like a lad from the rank to make it but we should not force it. A lot were very hyped about and finally after many chances showed nothing.
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    Yes, I understand that and that's how I see it too. He wants to make everyone happy but he also holds on to players for too long. I think Mata is one of them and Lee Grant another. How do you suppose they earn the chance? Doing well in training? We obviously can't discuss that as we don't know that, what we can discuss is what we see when they're playing. We have some serious talents in Hannibal, who I - and many others too - are pretty sure would've played in other teams. Is Hannibal less of a talent than any of the kids Liverpool or City used yesterday? No way. I think there is a risk here, a risk that didn't exist before and that is player power. You could be patient with Paul Scholes because there was no risk he would leave, but players today demand playing time and have no patience. We lost Pogba on a free transfer because of this and then bought him back for £80m.

    Also, youth players need to play. Elanga and Hannibal are far too good for U23-level, and Elanga has barely played there this season because of it. It's resulting in him barely playing any football at all. I'm not sure that's a good strategy for development. If you keep Elanga and don't loan him out - then you have to give him opportunities. Otherwise it's pointless.
     
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    Expecting a straight forward win (not that we get many of those) even if we play a weakened side (they probably will too).. If Donny doesn't get a full game, he might as well not bother to go to training in the morning because if he doesn't play tonight, he never will. He may not be setting the world alight but I don't see what Ole (seemingly) has against him
     
    Deery said:
    I’d rather the Villa game was televised as I think it will be a cracker but nice to get a weekly fix of United tonight.
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    I only realised last night that the Villa game wasn't being shown live. Odd, considering it's usually a goal fest while Southampton vs Wolves doesn't exactly make your mouth water... (but I suppose it fulfils the requirement to show all times home and away)
     
    mitchmouse said:
    I only realised last night that the Villa game wasn't being shown live. Odd, considering it's usually a goal fest while Southampton vs Wolves doesn't exactly make your mouth water... (but I suppose it fulfils the requirement to show all times home and away)
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    I’m really disappointed in it as I like Villa too and they always play open football, Ronaldo could have a field day on Saturday. Something to do with a concert or something it originally was a 3pm game but got moved to 12:30pm.
     
    I went with -

    Henderson
    Dalot
    Lindelof
    Maguire (I’d have Bailly but Ole never drops Harry)
    Telles

    Matic
    Donny
    Hannibal

    Lingard
    Martial
    Sancho

    good balance of players that need games, a couple of experienced heads and some exciting youngsters like Jesse Lingard
     
    Henderson, Telles, Maguire, Varane, AWB, Matic, Donny, Lingard, Martial, Greenwood, Sancho.

    2-1
     
    Ronaldo and Pogba don't play in Carabao cup because they don't drink alcohol.
     
    mitchmouse said:
    I only realised last night that the Villa game wasn't being shown live. Odd, considering it's usually a goal fest while Southampton vs Wolves doesn't exactly make your mouth water... (but I suppose it fulfils the requirement to show all times home and away)
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    What's Southampton v Wolves got to do with it?

    Besides the Villa game was a 3pm KO which the club agreed to bring forward a few hours due to another event happening in Manchester on Saturday
     
    Henderson
    Dalot - Lindelof - Bailly - Telles
    Van de Beek - Matic
    Sancho - Lingard - Elanga
    Martial

    Subs: Diallo, Jones, Mata​

    In the ultimate irony, Jones comes in for a Bailly injury.

    2-1 us. I really don't care what the scoreline is, nor how we get it. This is tournament ball and all that matters is the win. Survive and advance.
     
    Right, think we’ve seen enough to go for:

    Henderson
    Dalot Bailly Lindelöf Shaw
    VDB Matic
    Sancho Bruno Lingard
    Martial
     
    No De Gea, Ronaldo, Pogba, Varane and Maguire in the squad according to MEN.
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    Surprising. Thought we'd bring one or two to be in th bench for an emergency
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    Well, its a chance for the others to show they should be considered in other games.

    I mean even without them, its going to be a very strong team.

    Our Carabao cup will probably be stronger than the team Ole put out in his first season in the PL.
     
    lenny_1248 said:
    No De Gea, Ronaldo, Pogba, Varane and Maguire in the squad according to MEN.
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    Bugger. :(

    I accept the rotation aspect to the domestic cups, but we should still be picking a matchday squad that is trying to win the game.

    Excluding those 5 from the squad altogether is going too far. I'd have liked to have seen either Varane or Maguire start with Lindelof, and the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo on the bench to be used if needed.
     
    Bertie Wooster said:
    Bugger. :(

    I accept the rotation aspect to the domestic cups, but we should still be picking a matchday squad that is trying to win the game.

    Excluding those 5 from the squad altogether is going too far. I'd have liked to have seen either Varane or Maguire start with Lindelof, and the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo on the bench to be used if needed.
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    Personally - f*ck the carabao Cup.

    Fa cup is a different species.
     
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    My prediction. Could be Jones at CB, Heaton for Henderson, Fred for Matic or Elanga in for Mata (probably the most likely to happen) but on the whole I think we'll go pretty strong with Greenwood on the bench for backup.
     
    Good thing is we have a ridiculous amount of options across the front 3 to play tonight.

    Bad thing is do we know whether Ole will pick the right lineup?
     
    lenny_1248 said:
    No De Gea, Ronaldo, Pogba, Varane and Maguire in the squad according to MEN.
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    wow really no Maguire? Was sure Ole would go for the security of him alongside one of Lindelof or Bailly especially if Antonio is playing for them:nervous:
     
    Damien said:
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    My prediction. Could be Jones at CB, Heaton for Henderson, Fred for Matic or Elanga in for Mata (probably the most likely to happen) but on the whole I think we'll go pretty strong with Greenwood on the bench for backup.
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    I like the look of this, and wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being the lineup.
     
    Bertie Wooster said:
    I accept the rotation aspect to the domestic cups, but we should still be picking a matchday squad that is trying to win the game.
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    West Ham will also rotate heavilly (most likely).
    We should still beat them. C'mon, Sancho, Martial, Lingard, Lindelof, Bailly, Dalot, Telles, Donny, Matic, Mata/Mason/Elanga - still much better starting 11 than what West Ham will put.
     
    Damien said:
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    My prediction. Could be Jones at CB, Heaton for Henderson, Fred for Matic or Elanga in for Mata (probably the most likely to happen) but on the whole I think we'll go pretty strong with Greenwood on the bench for backup.
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    Yeah without Cavani this would also be my guess.

    Any news what's actually up with Cavani?
     
    Damien said:
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    My prediction. Could be Jones at CB, Heaton for Henderson, Fred for Matic or Elanga in for Mata (probably the most likely to happen) but on the whole I think we'll go pretty strong with Greenwood on the bench for backup.
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    Making XI changes, and leaving a handful of key players out the squad altogether, is going pretty strong!? :wenger:
     
    Red Shorts said:
    I like the look of this, and wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being the lineup.
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    My only reservation is the slowness of it with Mata and Matic so we could see Elanga in somewhere but I don't think it'll be far off*

    *says the person who has been awful in the lineup prediction game this season.

    Bertie Wooster said:
    Making XI changes, and leaving out key players from the squad altogether, is going pretty strong!? :wenger:
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    Compared to the sides that Liverpool and City fielded, yeah it is pretty strong. Anyway here's the confirmed squad that the MEN have seen.

    Squad: Henderson, Heaton, Wan-Bissaka, Dalot, Lindelof, Jones, Bailly, Telles, McTominay, Matic, Van de Beek, Fernandes, Mata, Lingard, Elanga, Sancho, Martial, Greenwood.

    So Wan-Bissaka, McTominay, Fernandes and Greenwood from the usual starting XI there. Pretty strong backup if needed, though wouldn't be surprised if one or two of them started.
     
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