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Manchester United 1:1 West Ham United

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    Mihai said:
    It doesn't. The goals scored by Leicester in the last game count as doable for the GD difference.
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    We need a 5-3 win against West Ham (or any win by 3 goals) to be able to lose to Leicester by 1 goal and remain ahead of them. Any less convincing win differs from a draw only in relation to our fight with Chelsea, not with Leicester.
     
    VP89 said:
    Southampton have Ralph Hasenhuttl who has been renowned for his consistency. Moyes has been fighting relegation with West Ham since he joined, who have themselves been fighting relegation since the start of the season.

    And no I genuinely don't think we have a lot of pressure because we are in a position where we can win neither remaining game and still get 4th. That's how strong our position is - just 2 draws and we're fine. Pressure would stem if either was must win, because we'd be panicking in trying to search for a goal etc.

    If we just approach the game as normal we should be fine. It's fecking West Ham under David Moyes with feck all to play for. Not a high energy Southampton side, a solid top 7 side like Wolves, or Champions of England or anything like that. It's West Ham.
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    I agree! That was basically my initial point: we can't really know whether being safe will help or hinder West Ham but there's no need to resort to armchair psychology about it because we should beat them either way.
     
    Siorac said:
    Dunno. Southampton, who had absolutely nothing to play for, were much tougher for us than Sheffield United, Brighton or Bournemouth who very much needed the points. So I don't think it's that simple.

    As for not having a lot of pressure - surely you don't believe that? We are under a huge amount of pressure to qualify for the CL. Just two draws would do it doesn't mean we're not under pressure. CL qualification will go down to the final day where we play away to one of our direct rivals. How is that not a lot of pressure?
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    Tend to agree. Teams with no mental pressure on them to need the three points play more expansively and are willing to take risks.

    I hate West Ham and fully expect them to raise their game against us.

    Absolutely must get the three points here though, I would not like to go into the Leicester game needing a win with this tired team.

    That said I'm not sure why the team looks as tired as it does.
     
    Alemar said:
    We need a 5-3 win against West Ham (or any win by 3 goals) to be able to lose to Leicester by 1 goal and remain ahead of them. Any less convincing win differs from a draw only in relation to our fight with Chelsea, not with Leicester.
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    A 5-3 is only enough if we don't lose 1-0. If we beat West Ham 5-3 and lose 1-0 to Leicester, we'll have the same number of points and a completely identical goal difference, as well as tied head-to-head results. It would go down to a neutral playoff game in that case. A 5-3 win and then a 2-1 defeat is good enough though.
     
    We have to bounce back here and get the 3 points to take into the Leicester game. We also need a fast start so we can settle any nerves and pin West Ham back to avoid them getting an early foothold in the game - I am not confident when we are being pushed back.
     
    Really want to finish 3rd and still think we might but id take 4th now if you offered it.

    Getting top 4 this year is fundamental to be able to kick on next year. Next season I won't accept anything less than 80pts as a bare minimum. We have enough talent to achieve that points total and if we have CL football coming we will invest to improve even more.
     
    We fail to win this I could then see Leicester beating us on the final day. This game is huge.

    No fecking Dan James, McT, Fred etc. Play our best players and bring in Romero for De Gea.
     
    A team that has been a spoiler for us before and managed by the ghost of failed United managers past, all this combined with a couple of poor performances in a row and the team looking increasingly fatigued.

    I don't think Ole will change much, Romero has claim to start over de gea but wont, and AWB looks so worn out I'd be tempted to play TFM, but again i doubt Ole will. Rest of the 11 will be as usual with Williams still at LB and Matic partnering Pogba, though I'd say Mctominay is a half shout as he's the freshest midfielder we have.
     
    They're going to be coming into this well rested, full of positivity and on the front foot.

    We are going to have to be clinical with our chances, and careful with set pieces.

    I can see this one following a similar trajectory to the Southampton game. It will be decided by margins and we'll need a big response from yesterday.
     
    Fact is we can't afford to be beaten by Leicester on the final day, and can't secure top 4 on Wednesday. With that in mind, I'd give those needing a rest the midweek off. Wouldn't drop De Gea, no point with 2 games remaining. He knows he done bad, and he's a seasoned pro at this stage.

    De Gea / Williams / Maguire / Lindelof / TFM / Fred / McSauce / Lingard / Mata / James / Ighalo

    Win lose or draw, winning on Sunday gets us into the CL.
     
    Tempted to say start with the team that finished against Chelsea, then bring AWB and Rashford back in, fresher, against Leicester
     
    I think a lot of our fans did not pass GCSE Maths.

    I think we'll win this comfortably, but there will be nervy moments as there always seems to be when we're chasing anything at all! In hindsight, I would have preferred that Wan-Bissaka, Matic, and Bruno didn't play against Chelsea. I think Ole kind of misjudged it as in my opinion, they were the three in most need of sitting a game out entirely to be fully fresh for our final two fixtures. With the changes he made, he probably should have just selected Dalot, McTominay, and Mata instead.

    I think de Gea should be dropped, but I don't think he will be. Put Dave in your line-up prediction guys, Romero isn't playing until LASK on August 5th. I just hope he doesn't cost us points.

    Williams looked off it to me. Understandable due to the knock he took but there was at least one occasion where he pulled out of a header and I think he played a big part in us conceding the first two goals (nowhere near Azpilicueta for the first goal and played the loose pass straight to Mount for the second). I would be tempted to play Fosu-Mensah again or just go with Shaw if he's recovered. If it's only a twisted ankle I could see him training today. But, if it's more of a sprain he might not be back until Leicester or even later.

    We're in a position where Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Matic, Pogba, Bruno, Greenwood, Rashford and Martial have to start now. There isn't an alternative way to do it, so I wouldn't bother predicting anything else. The only decision to make is Left Back and the goalkeeper, but that will be de Gea:

    de Gea
    Wan-Bissaka Lindelof Maguire Fosu-Mensah
    Pogba Matic
    Greenwood Bruno Rashford
    Martial​

    Just have to trust these guys to react and I think they will. We'll play this team against West Ham and Leicester, beating both. Only change is probably at Left Back depending on who's fit.
     
    Beachryan said:
    Fact is we can't afford to be beaten by Leicester on the final day, and can't secure top 4 on Wednesday. With that in mind, I'd give those needing a rest the midweek off. Wouldn't drop De Gea, no point with 2 games remaining. He knows he done bad, and he's a seasoned pro at this stage.

    De Gea / Williams / Maguire / Lindelof / TFM / Fred / McSauce / Lingard / Mata / James / Ighalo

    Win lose or draw, winning on Sunday gets us into the CL.
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    Whilst that's true it's leaving too much of a risk. A red card or bad injury for us at Leicester and it's curtains.

    If we win by 3 goals versus Westham, Leicester's task becomes ten times harder. That's what we should be aiming for.
     
    It's just 2 more games and the entire effort could be worthwhile. I'm just thinking about what happens if we're 2-0 or 3-0 up at around 65 mins. Do we rest players for Leicester or do we go for 5-6 so GD becomes a (relative) non-issue? Though at this point it seems like wishful thinking.
     
    This will be really tough against a well rested West Ham side. I can't see any chance of a 3 goal margin win people are hoping for.
     
    Hopefully West Ham are on the beach already, because we have not been very convincing this past week, look really leggy and mentally shattered.
     
    Lots of lads on here saying we are tired, leggy, mentally shattered etc etc.
    How the hell do you know!
    We are talking about elite athletes here.
    Give it a rest ffs.
    We are well able for the task if we have the right attitude.
    Nó reason we can't beat Leicester either.
     
    De Gea
    Dalot--Lindelof--Maguire--Williams
    McTominay--Pogba
    Greenwood--Pereira--James
    Martial​
     
    The Brown Bull said:
    Lots of lads on here saying we are tired, leggy, mentally shattered etc etc.
    How the hell do you know!
    We are talking about elite athletes here.
    Give it a rest ffs.
    We are well able for the task if we have the right attitude.
    Nó reason we can't beat Leicester either.
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    Do you have eyes Mr Bull?

    I wish we could!
     
    Beachryan said:
    Fact is we can't afford to be beaten by Leicester on the final day, and can't secure top 4 on Wednesday. With that in mind, I'd give those needing a rest the midweek off. Wouldn't drop De Gea, no point with 2 games remaining. He knows he done bad, and he's a seasoned pro at this stage.

    De Gea / Williams / Maguire / Lindelof / TFM / Fred / McSauce / Lingard / Mata / James / Ighalo

    Win lose or draw, winning on Sunday gets us into the CL.
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    While that is true, it's different in that we would need a win vs. win/draw against Leicester on the final day.
     
    I know I will get a lot of stick from some... but I see this as an ideal game for Lingard instead of Greenwood.

    He looked lively against Palace, and if we have got a tired first XI, then he will at least run around harrasing the opposition. We have 5 subs so if it doesnt work, or later in the game bring on Greenwood.
     
    Red Royal said:
    I know I will get a lot of stick from some... but I see this as an ideal game for Lingard instead of Greenwood.

    He looked lively against Palace, and if we have got a tired first XI, then he will at least run around harrasing the opposition. We have 5 subs so if it doesnt work, or later in the game bring on Greenwood.
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    The ideal game for Lingard is LASK at home - he can do no real damage to us in that one. In a must-win game his lack of attacking output means we're handicapping ourselves for no reason.
     
    Let’s go for the jugular! There’s a high chance a 5-0 or better will ensure top four qualification and dropping points isn’t the end of the world!
     
    Full strength team for me here, have to go into the Leicester City game with the advantage. Put the pressure on them to win.
     
    Think this might be the first time since the re-start that having no fans there will be beneficial to us, and certainly if we're not 2-0 up after 65 minutes.

    De Gea
    Laird Lindelof Matic Timbo
    McTominay Fred
    Fernandes Pogba Rashford
    Martial

    For selfish reasons(FPL)hope Soucek gets a hat-trick so i'll go for 5-3​
     
    Class of 63 said:
    Think this might be the first time since the re-start that having no fans there will be beneficial to us, and certainly if we're not 2-0 up after 65 minutes.

    De Gea
    Laird Lindelof Matic Timbo
    McTominay Fred
    Fernandes Pogba Rashford
    Martial

    For selfish reasons(FPL)hope Soucek gets a hat-trick so i'll go for 5-3 ​
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    why not make it 6 goals for Soucek. you want us to win but not increase our goal difference just in case we lose to leicester. how about he gets zero goals and we crush them so we get some breathing room.
     
    Walters_19_MuFc said:
    Nice to see people finally noticing how important Shaw has been.
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    I wouldn't paint this as some kind of proof of Shaw's awesomeness. He has and continues to have almost zero competition to his position. Because his backups are way worse.
    Shaw has improved of course, pretty much like everyone else in the team.
     
    Strange scenario. A 2-0 win is no better than a draw going into the Leicester game. It will be a tough game but the team needs to start fast. A good 5-0 would wrap up 4th.
     
    POF said:
    Strange scenario. A 2-0 win is no better than a draw going into the Leicester game. It will be a tough game but the team needs to start fast. A good 5-0 would wrap up 4th.
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    That only takes into consideration us v Leicester in race for top 4. A win v West Ham puts added pressure on Chelsea who have 2 hard games to go.
     
    groovyalbert said:
    That only takes into consideration us v Leicester in race for top 4. A win v West Ham puts added pressure on Chelsea who have 2 hard games to go.
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    Fair point. Hopefully Chelsea lose the next 2.
     
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