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    Whilst I probably wouldn't go with that formation, 352 is not a defensive formation. It depends how you approach the game with it. Guess the same can said for every other formation really.

    If we were to play that, we'd hardly have 5 at the back, as our wing backs will be pushed on high, as would our two strikers and two centre midfielders, thus effectively having 6 players attack, in comparison to the 5 when we play a 4231.


    As I said, not sure Ole will go with it, but its hardly a defensive formation.


    And what's stopping fullbacks from attacking and pushing higher up field in 4231 .As you said all formations can be defensive or attacking depending on the intent but you are basically sacrificing an attacker for defender when it's quite clear our fullbacks suddenly won't develop attacking prowess just because they are pushed up field.
     
    Not 5 defenders again for christs sake, not at home against Shefield

    It's 3 defenders and two wing-backs as opposed to a flat back 5. AWB and Shaw would act as wide midfielders for the majority of the game to provide the width and an attacking outlet from the flanks, at the same time allowing Pogba and Bruno more freedom to operate in midfield. It's very different from the unbalanced 5-3-2 we adopted in the 3-3 draw last time out.

    We've struggled against a well-drilled backline all season long under the default 4-2-3-1, and I'm concerned we'll see a similar performance tonight which we cannot afford given recent rival results.
     
    Got a feeling Ole is going to change it up tomorrow night and go with an attacking variant of 3-5-2.

    Something like this:

    DDG

    Lindelof Maguire Bailly

    AWB-------------------------------------Shaw

    Pogba Mctom Bruno

    Rashford Martial

    There is so much ability in that team that If it clicks, it could prove to be the catalyst for a storming end to the season.
    But but that's too defensive and only used against top 4...
     
    It's 3 defenders and two wing-backs as opposed to a flat back 5. AWB and Shaw would act as wide midfielders for the majority of the game to provide the width and an attacking outlet from the flanks, at the same time allowing Pogba and Bruno more freedom to operate in midfield. It's very different from the unbalanced 5-3-2 we adopted in the 3-3 draw last time out.

    We've struggled against a well-drilled backline all season long under the default 4-2-3-1, and I'm concerned we'll see a similar performance tonight which we cannot afford given recent rival results.
    I would swap Shaw for Lindelof as LCB and Williams as LWB. AWB is a terrible wingback but there's not much we could do as the alternative is Dalot who is a terrible footballer.
     
    Big, big game this. We have to win this one to cement our challenge on those above us. I am confident that we will win this and do so quite comfortably. Sheff Utd have had a lot of games in a short space of time and are missing a few players for tonight. I really hope we get ahead early and then pick them off.

    A win tonight will see us 2 back from Chelsea and 6 off Leicester. Chelsea are next up against City, then following that we have Brighton before both Chelsea and Leicester play again. We could very quickly find ourselves right in the mix. Time to kick on and make this season count lads!
     
    I would swap Shaw for Lindelof as LCB and Williams as LWB. AWB is a terrible wingback but there's not much we could do as the alternative is Dalot who is a terrible footballer.

    I do like Williams, and I think he has a higher ceiling than Shaw, my only concern is if he has the stamina for the physically demanding wing-back role.

    But but that's too defensive and only used against top 4...

    The 3-5-2 is only a defensive formation if deployed as such. This variant is very much attacking.
     
    De Gea
    ----Wan-Bissaka---Bailly---Maguire--------Shaw----
    McTominay
    Bruno-------Pogba
    Greenwood---------Martial---------------Rashford

    Then bring Matic on for McSauce at 60mins if not breaking them down.​
     
    I do like Williams, and I think he has a higher ceiling than Shaw, my only concern is if he has the stamina for the physically demanding wing-back role.



    The 3-5-2 is only a defensive formation if deployed as such. This variant is very much attacking.
    I agree, its just many slate it to be defensive when it is not. However, when your players are scared to advance forward they can get stuck in 5-3-2 formation. With Williams thankfully, he likes to get forward, just worried about Bissaka not wanting to venture forward as much as Williams. But I'd definitely love to see this formation tonight. With so many subs, we can always just change it second half if its not working out.
     
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    So frustrating we did not score the winning goal against Spurs. Now if we won, we would have been 1 pt behind Leicester, 1 pt!!! It infuriates me to see us missing occasions like that when clearly we've been doing a lot of good things in term of pts.

    Let's win tomorrow and get back to 6 pts to Leicester, and hope for another Leicester draw next game. And see how Chelsea fares.

    I’m no mathematician, but surely dropping two points is not the difference between us being 1 point behind and 6 points behind?!
     
    De Gea
    ----Wan-Bissaka---Bailly---Maguire--------Shaw----
    McTominay
    Bruno-------Pogba
    Greenwood---------Martial---------------Rashford

    Then bring Matic on for McSauce at 60mins if not breaking them down.​
    This team wins tonight. Only change is put John O'Shea in goal instead of DDG!
     
    You want Mata to start because... he links up well with Bruno defensively? :wenger:
    My apologies it should have a coma there "Him and Bruno link up well ,defensively it might be under pressure if Pogba starts too" sorry dude a typo.
     
    De Gea
    ----Wan-Bissaka---Bailly---Maguire--------Shaw----
    McTominay
    Bruno-------Pogba
    Greenwood---------Martial---------------Rashford

    Then bring Matic on for McSauce at 60mins if not breaking them down.​

    Think i'd go with Fred over McT but other than that i'd agree. I'd be very tempted to start Ighalo although on balance, Martial would just shade it for me.
     
    And what's stopping fullbacks from attacking and pushing higher up field in 4231 .As you said all formations can be defensive or attacking depending on the intent but you are basically sacrificing an attacker for defender when it's quite clear our fullbacks suddenly won't develop attacking prowess just because they are pushed up field.

    Our full backs do normally push high in a 4231, which provides us with 5 or possibly 6 attacking players going forward, leaving the two centre backs and two defensive midfielders or one defensive midfielder and full back to defend.

    My point, as I made it clear from my first post is that a 352 is not a defensive formation. People see three at the back and say its defensive. Its not!

    Just look at the way Sheff Utd played prior to lockdown. They had overlapping centre backs, for crying out loud.
     
    ---------------------DDG-----------------
    AWB--Lindelod--Maguire--Shaw
    ------Matic------------------Fred--------
    --------------------Bruno-------------------
    Greenwood----Martial-----Rashford

    Ideally i would want Pogba to start but apparently he felt very tired after the 27mins he played against Spurs. Probably start Fred and bring Pogba and McTom in the second half.
     
    De Gea
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Shaw
    McTominay/Matic
    Bruno--Pogba
    Greenwood--Martial--Rashford

    There's enough creativity in the team with Bruno and Pogba. The big decision for me was McTomiany or Matic. Matic is definitely better screening the defence but McTominay is more mobile. It's a tough decision to make.

    With the creativity in midfield, I've gone for the finishing of Greenwood ahead of James or Mata. Especially as we will likely have a greater share of possession. Lindelof or Bailly is another tough choice but I don't want to change too much after 1 game. Therefore, I'd stick with Lindelof and Maguire​
    Usain Bolt is more mobile than both, should he play DM? McTominay is poor on the ball, he shouldn’t be starting. Matic needs to be first name on the team sheet until we get a new DM.
     
    We all knew in our last match that Pogba and Fernandes should start.
    The problem is that Ole prefers to not play Pogba for some reason. Instead he favours Scott McT.
    Given the above, I would not assume that Pogba and Fernandes will both start.

    Ole's in game management is absolutely terrible, btw. In our last match, the fans all knew that he needed to make a change at half time and bring on Pogba.
    And don't even get me started on Dan James, who is a Championship player.

    Someone please explain this: Pogba on the bench, Scott McT and Dan James on the pitch. What am I missing?

    This isn’t considering his injuries. I don’t think Ole prefers to play McTominay over Pogba at all. Redcafe posters, however, there are probably quite a few!
     
    Have to win this game! Reckon Ole will start with a strong lineup, there has been plenty of time to recover since last game against Spurs so, I only changed Greenwood out for James, otherwise same starting as last game.

    A bit annoying that you can only choose three subs in the lineup prediction game since now there can be made 5 substitutions
     
    Have to win this game! Reckon Ole will start with a strong lineup, there has been plenty of time to recover since last game against Spurs so, I only changed Greenwood out for James, otherwise same starting as last game.

    A bit annoying that you can only choose three subs in the lineup prediction game since now there can be made 5 substitutions

    Very good point!
     
    Got a feeling Ole is going to change it up tomorrow night and go with an attacking variant of 3-5-2.

    Something like this:

    DDG

    Lindelof Maguire Bailly

    AWB-------------------------------------Shaw

    Pogba Mctom Bruno

    Rashford Martial

    There is so much ability in that team that If it clicks, it could prove to be the catalyst for a storming end to the season.

    We've had a lot of joy with the 352 in the big games. Definitely don't see it being needed for most of our games left though. Leicester away and maybe if we get through in the cup and play a big side we should use it. Other than that.....433 and Greenwood comes in for me.
     
    Think i'd go with Fred over McT but other than that i'd agree. I'd be very tempted to start Ighalo although on balance, Martial would just shade it for me.
    Yeah wasnt sure on Fred. But McTominay should have the strength on set pieces etc.

    Had the same thought on Igahlo too, but. I think the main thing is to change it if it isn't working.. Dont leave it so late.
     
    We have to see Williams tonight Shaw offers nothing when he’s not fit.

    Also I’d start Matić, Pogba and Bruno together, chances are SU will sit deep and try to catch us on the break.

    Hopefully Rashford and Martial will be sharper tonight, the third place maybe Greenwood looked lively when he came on against Spurs..
     
    So frustrating we did not score the winning goal against Spurs. Now if we won, we would have been 1 pt behind Leicester, 1 pt!!! It infuriates me to see us missing occasions like that when clearly we've been doing a lot of good things in term of pts.

    Let's win tomorrow and get back to 6 pts to Leicester, and hope for another Leicester draw next game. And see how Chelsea fares.

    Your math is wrong.
     
    We have to see Williams tonight Shaw offers nothing when he’s not fit.

    Also I’d start Matić, Pogba and Bruno together, chances are SU will sit deep and try to catch us on the break.

    Hopefully Rashford and Martial will be sharper tonight, the third place maybe Greenwood looked lively when he came on against Spurs..

    He offers nothing when he is FIT
     
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