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Manchester United 0:2 Manchester City

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Sat, 6 November 2021 @ 12:30pm GMT
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    Berbasbullet said:
    We setup against them last season in the away game brilliantly, wasn’t even that much of a counter attacking display (although we should really have picked them off on the counter). We actually had loads of the ball in the second half and kept the ball well. Be amazing if we can do something similar, also Martial was sensational that match.
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    We had about 30% possession.
     
    Paul Hirst in the Times is reporting that this game will likely be pivotal in determining if Solskjaer keeps his job.
     
    Adnan said:
    Paul Hirst in the Times is reporting that this game will likely be pivotal in determining if Solskjaer keeps his job.
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    Lose 4-0, Ole Goes. Win, draw or close-defeat-but-play-well, Ole stays

    I think this is relatively apparent
     
    pocco said:
    We had about 30% possession.
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    Don’t let that fool you, City have high possession because it counts passes and they make a lot of short passes that pads that stat. A lot of those passes were in front of us and when they tried closing us down wee kept through their press.
    There was a 15 minute spell when they honestly couldn’t get the ball off us, I think it was around the time Martial missed a 1 on 1
     
    Berbasbullet said:
    We setup against them last season in the away game brilliantly, wasn’t even that much of a counter attacking display (although we should really have picked them off on the counter). We actually had loads of the ball in the second half and kept the ball well. Be amazing if we can do something similar, also Martial was sensational that match.
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    I don't remember that but maybe I'm wrong; I remember it started with an early penalty and City had lots of possession but did nothing with it. I vaguely remember thinking that Pep was very arrogant with his set up and game plan and just fell for the same approach from us as usual, not that I was complaining. Martial has been outstanding in the last few wins at City.

    Agree with other posters about the first goal being key to the game.
     
    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
    There are 30 points available in the league up to the end of the calendar year. I think we should be able to get 24 of them. Three points on Saturday would be an amazing start.
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    We never go on this kind of run. It’s been almost 10 years. What make you think we will this time when we are playing crap all season ?
    It’s wishful thinking I am afraid.
     
    cyberman said:
    Don’t let that fool you, City have high possession because it counts passes and they make a lot of short passes that pads that stat. A lot of those passes were in front of us and when they tried closing us down wee kept through their press.
    There was a 15 minute spell when they honestly couldn’t get the ball off us, I think it was around the time Martial missed a 1 on 1
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    You learn something new every day. I always thought possession would be calculated by somebody/a computer timing how long each team is on possession.
     
    Tom Cato said:
    Same number of shots on goal, 6 v 6
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    Yeah I meant shots. Just had a look and they got 6/23 shots on target. Crazy really.

    Like I said earlier in the thread they were rubbish against us last season. This is what gives me hope, plus losing 2-0 to Palace.

    As long as they don't go more than 1 goal in front and Ronaldo is on the pitch, then we have a chance.

    Solskjaer has a tough choice on whether to bring in Cavani it Rashford if it's 532 or go 4231. City are susceptible to pace in behind with their high line so you'd think Rashford is a strong option, but if we actually want to play aggressively then it's Cavani for me.
     
    We have to score first and also need some luck like a pen or red card. God that's grim to type
     
    -------------DDG
    Bailly -- Maguire -- Shaw
    Awb--McT--Matic--Fred--Telles
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    I think a draw and we will be more drifted away to the top four places and will not sack Ole after positive results ( from the board point of view ) and will be very boring international break full of waiting and living on a hope to get this man out of the club.

    Oh I wish Ill be totally wrong. And we win this and still sack him after.
     
    cyberman said:
    Don’t let that fool you, City have high possession because it counts passes and they make a lot of short passes that pads that stat. A lot of those passes were in front of us and when they tried closing us down wee kept through their press.
    There was a 15 minute spell when they honestly couldn’t get the ball off us, I think it was around the time Martial missed a 1 on 1
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    Well said, we were great in the second half and like you said went through a really dominant phase. We didn't just beat them on the counter (course there were elements of that too). Neither of our goals were counter attacks either.
     
    We've been predicting this and we've also been here before. When the pressure is highest Ole will somehow nick a result and get another stay of execution, he's like Houdini.

    We will be playing 352 because the way it goes here. We play whatever worked in the last game, and currently it's 352.

    pocco said:
    You learn something new every day. I always thought possession would be calculated by somebody/a computer timing how long each team is on possession.
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    I went to the Opta offices once. They have a bunch of people in a room clicking a button each time a player touches the ball. I actually thought they did calculate it as time in possession based on those clicks.
     
    cyberman said:
    Don’t let that fool you, City have high possession because it counts passes and they make a lot of short passes that pads that stat. A lot of those passes were in front of us and when they tried closing us down wee kept through their press.
    There was a 15 minute spell when they honestly couldn’t get the ball off us, I think it was around the time Martial missed a 1 on 1
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    How on earth did you come to believe that? It’s not only not true but it makes no sense.

    ”possession” percentages are not the number of passes - “possession” is the percentage of the game in which you control the ball (have the ball in your possession).
     
    I wonder if we will go three at the back against a team without a striker.
     
    tenpoless said:
    Know the opposition : Citizens del Bellend were founded in 2007 after a bunch of edgy teenagers that stole NikNaks from a nearby shop went on to play 5-a-side which was interrupted by Interpol due to violation of NikNaks rights. The incident inspired the previous owner, Thaksin Tsubasa Something Something to form a football club for the fathers of those teenagers to cheer them up while their kids were in jail by watching Brazilian footwork of Robinho. A few years later Thaksin sold his soul, including the club to Mansour Whatshisname from UAE. It was reported that Thaksin ran up to Mansour while he was buying petrol in containers and got an offer he couldnt refuse involving doubling the size of containers which he used to store the petrol.

    From that point on, Citizens del Bellend became one of the most dangerous clubs in the world for its ability to turn petrol into money at any time they like, in order to purchase whatever they need. During this period, they managed to buy several world class players like Gabriel Jesus who is not holy at all and Vincent Widehead Kompany who is now turned into a statue despite being alive, well and middle aged.
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    Haha they’re not only living in your head - they’re also trashing the gaff.
     
    HerbT said:
    How on earth did you come to believe that? It’s not only not true but it makes no sense.

    ”possession” percentages are not the number of passes - “possession” is the percentage of the game in which you control the ball (have the ball in your possession).
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    No @cyberman is spot on. Possession is calculated by number of passes. Not time on the ball. Here’s a source below but if you google it you will see tons of other sources that say the same.

    http://leastthing.blogspot.com/2012/02/how-ball-possession-is-measured-in.html?m=1

    If you’re good at maths and look at stats after a match you can work it out for yourself.
     
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    Berbasbullet said:
    No @cyberman is spot on. Possession is calculated by number of passes. Not time on the ball. Here’s a source below but if you google it you will see tons of other sources that say the same.

    http://leastthing.blogspot.com/2012/02/how-ball-possession-is-measured-in.html?m=1

    If you’re good at maths and look at stats after a match you can work it out for yourself.
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    A quick google shows that different websites use this method or the timing of actual time on the ball for each team. So it depends where you get your stats. But they think there's a 5% deviation between the two.
     
    pocco said:
    A quick google shows that different websites use this method or the timing of actual time on the ball for each team. So it depends where you get your stats. But they think there's a 5% deviation between the two.
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    Really? I looked at a few articles and all seemed to say the same thing. Interesting I did notice that different websites have different results for possession so that seems to make sense. So it’s both then! Interesting.
     
    HerbT said:
    How on earth did you come to believe that? It’s not only not true but it makes no sense.

    ”possession” percentages are not the number of passes - “possession” is the percentage of the game in which you control the ball (have the ball in your possession).
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    theres more than 1 way but Opta abandoned timing possession around 6 years ago.
    Opta now record possession in a football match by means of an automated calculation based on the number of passes that a team has in a game.
     
    cyberman said:
    I found this out during Jose’s tenure here. We had some low possession stat against somebody and it was widely k

    theres more than 1 way but Opta abandoned timing possession for number of passes around 6 years ago.
    Opta now record possession in a football match by means of an automated calculation based on the number of passes that a team has in a game.
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    I just read this about Opta stats and it seems as though there is more to it than just counting passes?

    Opta, perhaps one of the biggest football analytic companies, calculated possession simply by using passes until 2017. The method had many flaws such as not accounting for who is in possession of the ball when it was in the air and resulted in them changing their approach.

    In 2017 Opta created a new “framework” called a possession. This method counts how many possessions a team has in an entire game and dividing it by the total per game.

    Opta defines a possession as starting when a player takes a controlled touch, this does not include headers or tackles and ending when a player no longer has or tries to have control of the ball. This includes interceptions, shots crosses into areas and set pieces.

    This data, as well as other statistics, are collected by a 3 man team who are present at every match who use a video-based data collection system to tell every time a player touches a ball and the location of that touch.
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    I think this depends entirely on what Man City team show up. Could be a thrashing or a tight one. First goal will be crucial.
     
    cyberman said:
    theres more than 1 way but Opta abandoned timing possession around 6 years ago.
    Opta now record possession in a football match by means of an automated calculation based on the number of passes that a team has in a game.
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    Well, hands up Cyberman, that explanation’s put a whole new spin on my understanding - just shows that we can learn something every day and I’m grateful for the education, but I still have a notion that I‘ve seen stats that show teams having lower possession but higher pass stats?

    PS. I’ve just had a play around on google (I know, I know) and it seems that pass counting has been the OPTA way but they don’t do simple pass counting nowadays. Also, many or perhaps most stat companies use a method like a chess timer where they truly record the period of time that each side has the ball.
    OPTA claim that their calculated possession figure is comparable the the actuals that others use so, I’d suppose, they must be equally valid (and that would explain how the team with lowest possession can have highest number of passes depending on the method of assessment utilised).

    The above, of course, doesn’t make my initial notion, that pass counts couldn’t be used, correct. I was wrong to scoff at the idea and very happy to be put right.
     
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    Swordsman said:
    Just play defensive and hit city on the counter with lightning pace.

    1-0 to United.
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    Well that’s what you’re very good at and you’ve done it to us so many times under Ole that I can’t fathom as to why there are any concerns amongst your fraternity.
    In my recent experience, from a City supporting perspective, it feels like Ole has Pep sussed so I‘ve got plenty of hope but very little confidence.
     
    Redfrog said:
    We never go on this kind of run. It’s been almost 10 years. What make you think we will this time when we are playing crap all season ?
    It’s wishful thinking I am afraid.
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    Would be nice to check the stats before just spewing out garbage wouldn't it?
    We actually did two runs like that last season, one the season before that, and one while Ole was a caretaker. We've done it 4 times (in the league) since Ole joined the club as manager.
    Yes we're atrocious at the moment! But if Ole, Maguire, and Shaw get's their shit together, we're very much capable of going on a good run.
     
    HerbT said:
    Well that’s what you’re very good at and you’ve done it to us so many times under Ole that I can’t fathom as to why there are any concerns amongst your fraternity.
    In my recent experience, from a City supporting perspective, it feels like Ole has Pep sussed so I‘ve got plenty of hope but very little confidence.
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    I'm struggling to see past a 4-0 win for United. Ronaldo with all four.
     
    Ole the escape artist will sit back, hit them on the counter and might scrape a victory that way. Which will assure he can stay the whole season.

    That or City play well and they embarrass us.. which will still make Ole stay the whole seaon but just with more people convinced he should leave.
     
    matsdf said:
    Would be nice to check the stats before just spewing out garbage wouldn't it?
    We actually did two runs like that last season, one the season before that, and one while Ole was a caretaker. We've done it 4 times (in the league) since Ole joined the club as manager.
    Yes we're atrocious at the moment! But if Ole, Maguire, and Shaw get's their shit together, we're very much capable of going on a good run.
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    Yeah, sorry. Still doing it once (or twice) a season is still not good enough for the title, only to keep Ole in the job so don’t see the point.
    Our manager is not good enough. I supported him a long time but there is always the same pattern.

    We are atrocious for a long time now. Since last season actually. We are grinding out results playing depressing football.

    Last minute Ronaldo winners are nice but we are going nowhere. We have to move on.
     
    When is the last time City won against United by more than 2 goals?

    Can't see this being a high-scoring game, City have problems with their finishing and United have problems creating chances.
     
    Weird game, you’d think the best way is to stay tight try and get them on the counter with our pace but then Cavani and Ronaldo maybe not best suited for that although I’m sure they’d give any team a torrid time.
     
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