Against Hull? He should play box to box, and have plenty of freedom to get forward with Herrera covering.
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Manchester United 0:0 Hull City
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Against Hull? He should play box to box, and have plenty of freedom to get forward with Herrera covering.Are all of Hull's new signings available? Ranocchia is quite good (or he used to be). Think we'll see a team much more motivated tonight, not only for revenge but we won't treat this like we've already got 3 points. I think Hull's last few promising performances against us will give them overconfidence which will let us hit them well on the counter, I fancy us for an early goal tonight.
Whatever team Jose puts out there's more than enough quality in our team to be beating Hull at home, any other result would be an absolute disaster and we may miss out on 4 because of it.
Not throughtrout the match surely? Salmon ought to stop this nonsense.
I know it's only Hull but they do pose a threat in attack, and we know Jose is very conservative at times even against smaller teams.
I would like to see Rashford together with Zlatan in attack at some point though.Brill this thread...Schweinsteiger not in the squad?
You cod-blocked me!
done you like a kipper
Yeah I have a hard time believing that list after what we’ve heard from José earlier. Luckhurst has got it spot on a couple of times recently though, but also wrong a fair few times, guess we’ll learn more about it in a few hours. Then again, the players in the list were photographed at the Lowry, players outside the 18 (except for the 3rd keeper) are usually not there.
Yeah, José kind of gave it away by saying that ”90 minutes on Sunday was a lot for Basti after having not played much” or something like that.
we should dolpnitely scale back on the fish puns
Fish puns are ok in the right plaice.
that's disappointing if true. I think Hull would have been the best incremental gave from Wigan to give him a run of fitness against average teams. I know we want to make sure we win the game because of what it means now for league position but surely he is not that bad that we can't beat hull with him...
I trout that would make it on comedy central
Well to be fair most of the starting XI players from Sunday won’t play today, kind of smart with the amount of fixtures we’ve got. I don’t think we can treat any opponents as ”average teams”, can’t afford to drop any points. Agree that we probably wouldn’t lose with him on the bench either, but...
If not Hull then who? I know the 2 up front has died a death, I just think that we need the two right strikers up front and I think those two will compliment each other perfectly, Zlatan drops deeper, reads the game and see's the runs of people and Rashford is always waiting to make a run and get behind the last man. I realise we aren't likely to see it I just think it's a shame...
I think we could if Pogba wasn't such a liability defensively in midfield. I don't think Jose trusts just having Herrera and Pogba in there anymore. He may do it with a number 10 ahead of them now and then but certainly not just those two in midfield alone. I would like to see a 4-4-2 like that against weaker teams though but I think Herrera and Carrick would give us a more solid midfield to let the others attack. This won't happen as Pogba won't be dropped.
Which he can't play, which means no 4-4-2 sadly.
Paul scholes played amazing in a 442 as did modric, always find it strange that Pogba is seen not able to play in a 4 4 2 because of defensive needs. The other 2 i mentioned were never defensive savy players.
It probably would work against lesser teams but I'm not sure if Jose is a fan. Zlatan has played in a two upfront with Trezeguet for Juve and Adriano/Cruz at Inter although those are different kind of strikers. I agree Rashford would compliment Zlatan well making runs in behind.Last edited:
No but both were kind of classic playmakers who liked to dominate tempo from deep. Pogba’s strengths are obviously closer to the opponent’s box. I’m sure he could play in a midfield two, but we’d see quite similar performances with his Euros as well as the early United matches this season.Do not cock it up, Boys. Youhearmenow?
They were/are miles better in terms of reading the game and keeping defensive shape than Pogba. Scholes and Modric don't bomb forward as much as Pogba. Pogba goes missing for large parts of games, Scholes and Modric do not. Plus Scholes had Roy Keane or Carrick next to him and Modric would be playing in a team dominating 90% of games.I hope players will be pumped up for this. I hope they know how important this game is. I'm sure they are aware. No easy does it. Mou should give a nice motivotional speech beforehand.
My only question is will we go with Carrick, Ander and Pogba or with Mata behind Zlatan and 2 mids behind.
I think he could do a job there considering his physique. His hold up play is also very useful to start an attack after recovering the ball from deep although he doesn't have the defensive qualities needed for it, positional awareness and so on.
We have to utilise his attacking nature though first and foremost.
I agree on his physique, he certainly has the strength and power to do it but he doesn't seem to have the football intelligence just yet and his hold up play actually gets us in to more trouble than it does help us at the moment as he always holds on to the ball for to long in stupid areas and then loses possession for us to suddenly get countered.
I think that's due to his time in Italy where he could get away with it since the tempo is slower. That aspect is something I expect him to learn and improve.
Then that should be the argument as to why someone wouldnt wanna play 442 with pogba, nothing to do with defensive dutiesis reddit where it goes down these days for rivers?
Hook, line and sinker.
Shaw and Darmian not in the squad?
my point was defensize duites nutering pogba isnt the reason we shouldnt play him in a 4 4 2 as less defensive inlined players have played and excelled in that position. I dont think paul scholes can read and intercept much defensive play nor could modric, they had players around them to do that for them. Even Fabregas did it in Chelseas title winning year.
Yeah I think Paul is actually really reliable when it comes to defending, works hard from byline to byline if needed, it’s just that the more defensive role takes its toll on his best attacking attributes.With Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham dropping points...
... a typical Moyes-United match would mean a loss.
... a typical LVG-United match would... no idea, I always fell asleep
... a typical Mou-United match? A late 1:1, with a United goal in the 94th minute?
Let's get these 3 points.
I dont consider it that much more "defensive" when he is in a 2 man mid, its just where he collects the ball and how he plays when he has it is now shifted. again nothing to do with when we dont have the ball.
Looking at the Euros, he played way too deep to influence the games attacking wise. So yeah, he gets the ball deep and he can’t take too many risks considering there’s only one midfielder behind him taking care of the counters if he loses the ball.
I think Pogba is more of a liability on the defensive end than an asset. Most of the time I've noticed him not looking around him to see what players are open or what spaces to close down; generally looking uninterested. It's definitely something he needs to improve on a lot if he ever wants to be in the discussion for the best in the world.Bricking it a bit. Strange feeling as it's Hull and in the middle of the season, but Jesus this game feels important.Shaw is back in the attic again I see
I agree that he can improve kind of like tactically and positionally, but his physique alone helps a lot when defending.- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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19%
Phil Jones
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11%
Antonio Valencia
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6%
David de Gea
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6%
Ander Herrera
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6%
Marcus Rashford
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4%
Paul Pogba
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2%
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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2%
Michael Carrick
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2%
Wayne Rooney
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2%
Daley Blind
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1%
Juan Mata
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1%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Player Ratings
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Score Predictions
598,16,20
- Man Utd win
- Hull City win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 34% Man Utd 2:0 Hull City
- 30% Man Utd 3:0 Hull City
- 7% Man Utd 3:1 Hull City
- 6% Man Utd 1:0 Hull City
- 6% Man Utd 4:0 Hull City
- 6% Man Utd 2:1 Hull City
- 3% Man Utd 5:0 Hull City
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 Hull City
- 2% Man Utd 1:1 Hull City
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Hull City
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Hull City
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 0:2 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 2:2 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 0:3 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 5:5 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 1:2 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 1:3 Hull City
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 Hull City
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Hull City
- Possession
- 67% 33%
- Shots
- 16 6
- Shots on Target
- 6 2
- Corners
- 7 1
- Fouls
- 20 16
Referee
Mike Jones
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replaced by Juan Mata
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