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    If anyone thinks Newcastle worked hard just watch Burnley. Fortunately not the best forwards but who needs the best against us. Another embarrassing performance coming up. Would settle for a draw.
     
    With McFred were never gonna control games. This is the fulcrum of RR tactics and you might as well try 2 of the kids. We need 2 CM in January!
     
    cyberman said:
    I go the other way, we aren’t slow at all. If anything we play the ball forward too quickly. Everything is at pace and it hurts us but makes for fantastic games.
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    What games you been watching lately?? Look how many passes we make in our own half as no one moves into space to receive the ball.
     
    Can’t get excited about watching us any more this season. Watching us struggle to even compete with teams worth 1/4 of ours is just no fun. The way we struggle with the basics is embarrassing. Pressing? We still don’t even really attempt it. It’s just the exact same stuff as Ole repackaged as progress. Nothing is going to change until the roster changes. I can’t see any January that changes our style of play or enthusiasm on the pitch to any noticeable extent. It’s going to be a long season
     
    wolvored said:
    What games you been watching lately?? Look how many passes we make in our own half as no one moves into space to receive the ball.
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    He's not wrong, we aren't patient enough in possession. It can be both.

    We need to move it faster across the floor, but also not always punt it forward at the first moment.

    We barely ever actually force teams back into their own half and sustain possession, weirdly enough that was what we did perfectly against Palace.
     
    I want Cavani, Donny and Martial/amad in for Ronaldo, Bruno and Rashford.

    Lindelof in for Maguire as well.
     
    VanDeBank said:
    • Matic must start when fit, even if its just for 60mins (when his legs give out)
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    60 minutes is extremely optimistic.

    He was excellent for the first 30 v Young Boys, but completely lost it thereafter. Even by current United standards, his passing was diabolically sloppy.
     
    ---------------------------DDG

    Dalot-------Maguire-------Varane--------Shaw

    --------------------------Matić----------------------------

    Sancho--------------VDB----------Greenwood

    --------------Ronaldo-------Cavani-----------------

    Surely against Burnley at home we need one defensive midfielder only (Fred or McTominay instead of Matić although Matić should play imo)
     
    There's so many I would love to bench but we would have to play the youth team.
     
    Revaulx said:
    60 minutes is extremely optimistic.

    He was excellent for the first 30 v Young Boys, but completely lost it thereafter. Even by current United standards, his passing was diabolically sloppy.
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    He's usually been decent for around 60 minutes in most of his appearances, including this season. Don't really care about one game. I'd play Pogba or Scott in the other 30mins. Fred's a guaranteed starter for me.

    You can see why I never made it as a football coach.
     
    Really struggling to be in any way excited for this. More Morbid curiosity of how good we can make Burnley look
     
    VanDeBank said:
    He's usually been decent for around 60 minutes in most of his appearances, including this season. Don't really care about one game.
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    Fair enough. Watching him in that one game really shocked and disappointed me though, as after an immaculate start he just seemed to regress to the sloppy standard of the rest of the squad.
    I'd play Pogba or Scott in the other 30mins. Fred's a guaranteed starter for me.
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    One of the few chinks of daylight in the so-far dismal Ralf era is that he already seems to have got Scott passing forward more. I think if he continues in that direction he’ll get plenty of regular starts.

    The way the squad is at the moment, I don’t think anyone should be guaranteed anything. Fred was crap on Monday and was rightly substituted.

    And while I’m firmly against giving a lengthy and lucrative new contract to a player who’s increasingly injury-prone and has always been something of a luxury, I’m looking forward to at least a handful of decent appearances from Pogba.
    You can see why I never made it as a football coach.
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    You’d fit right in at United then ;)
     
    People need to accept 4222 is here to stay and also realise it’s basically just a 442 out of possession - the attacking midfield pair are still wingers, they just have to come inside to form a hexagon defensively which then, theoretically, allows you to influence where the opponent passes, get the ball to an area and hopefully make them go long/play a risky pass.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    People need to accept 4222 is here to stay and also realise it’s basically just a 442 out of possession - the attacking midfield pair are still wingers, they just have to come inside to form a hexagon defensively which then, theoretically, allows you to influence where the opponent passes, get the ball to an area and hopefully make them go long/play a risky pass.
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    We could just play 4-2-3-1 in possession with 4-2-2-2 out of possession (Like PSV does, also coached by a Red Bull follower)
     
    I really want to see Varane & Lindelof paired together. Maguire needs to be dropped, his performances have dipped massively.
    Sancho to start, Shaw too. If Rashford does play then please don't play him on the RW.
    Cavani also a must start for me.
     
    We need to give chances to those who haven't performed as bad and show that nobody is safe, I would drop Maguire, Fred, Mctominay, Bruno, Ronaldo & Rashford, others have been average like Telles & Dalot so I don't mind either way with them, I'd like to see the following:


    DDG
    AWB Bailly Varane Shaw
    VDB Matic
    Sancho Greenwood
    Martial Cavani
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    pascell said:
    WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?!
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    I REALLY HOPE RALF SHOUTS AT THE PLAYERS. THEY DESERVE IT. I"M HONESTLY COOL WITH EVERY IMAGINEABLE LINE-UP. I JUST WANT TO SEE HEADS ROLL AND BIG DECISIONS MADE. WE SHOULD ALL SUPPORT RALF IN THIS.
     
    AngeloHenriquez said:
    We need to give chances to those who haven't performed as bad and show that nobody is safe, I would drop Maguire, Fred, Mctominay, Bruno, Ronaldo & Rashford, others have been average like Telles & Dalot so I don't mind either way with them, I'd like to see the following:


    DDG
    AWB Bailly Varane Shaw
    VDB Matic
    Sancho Greenwood
    Martial Cavani
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    Bruno is suspended, so he's definitely out.
    Maguire won't be dropped, especially with Lindelof out too.
    Cant see want away Martial getting a start either!

    Also, Tisdale has his work cut out at Boro ....
     
    My biggest worry is how we will defend any Burnley set pieces, especially corners. DDG and rest of defence are pretty useless at defending corners. I would prefer Henderson between the posts for this one.
     
    If McTom, Fred and Rashford all start I will not be excited to watch the game and maybe I will not watch it. Have seen any games for 20+ years! All should be far away as starters at United.
     
    This game is going to be a grind. I'm fearful we may drop more points, but hopefully we can grind out a tight win.

    I'll mainly be interested to see our formation for the game, see the press notes of 'Rangnick not wedded to 4-2-2-2, also could use 3-4-1-2' and it has me wondering if he/the media have even looked at the players we have available in our squad for the next game. I presume it has to be a 4-2-2-2 still, with not enough CBs for a back 3. I reckon he'll stick to the 4-2-2-2 but with the players on the pitch able to switch to a 4-3-3 as and when.

    I can't see Varane being ready to play 2 games in 4 days having only just come back from injury, and Bailly recalled from his early departure to AFCON reinforces that. Which reminds me, why didn't he play against Newcastle and then Varane against Burnley? Given they sent him out it seems really strange to now realise they need him back, the only thing I can think of is that they thought Lindelof would be ready for this game, only to now realise he isn't. It's all a bit of a mess really.

    Bruno is suspended so unavailable. Is Pogba back available yet, I imagine it will only be from the bench if at all? Martial I'm pretty certain won't be in the squad. So options are fairly limited given who can play 90 minutes for this game after those who played on Monday.

    Given Rangnicks comments about a lack of physicality against Newcastle, I imagine right now he is terrified picking the team against Burnley. I can't see Van De Beek getting this game with it being Burnley, I thought he was more likely to play against Newcastle, so was a little surprised he didn't get a game. If he does start I fear he will be getting thrown to the wolves. If I try to think like Rangnick and what will suit his style against such a physical side like Burnley:

    1. I can see Henderson or maybe even Heaton getting a start, De Gea would be bullied by Burnley as always, so Ralf will presumably try to counter this.
    2. Maguire will probably continue due to Varane not being fit for another game, and I imagine Bailly partners him, otherwise why call him back?
    3. Wan Bissaka may come back in for added physicality, likewise Shaw may be considered over Telles, but I don't particularly see too much between them, so probably just Shaw for fitness sake.
    4. In the midfield, if you want physicality it's probably going to be Matic/McTominay in the deep positions. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fred and Lingard in front of them for the energy in the press.
    5. And up top, I can only envisage Ronaldo and Cavani to again compete physically.
    6. This gives you Pogba, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Van De Beek on the bench to change things if/when needed, maybe even someone like Hannibal may make the bench.

    So my predicted (not preferred) line up is:

    Heaton/Henderson

    Wan Bissaka
    Bailly
    Maguire
    Shaw

    McTominay
    Matic

    Lingard
    Fred

    Ronaldo
    Cavani
     
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    We didn’t have the energy for the Newcastle game. Three days won’t help us recover. We need divine intervention.
     
    —————————DDG————————
    —————-Maguire—Varane—————
    AWB——-VDB Mctominay——Shaw
    Sancho ——————Rashford————
    ———Greenwood—Cavani——————

    Leave Sancho wider and have Shaw connect with Rashford once more. Aim to deliver the long balls on the left side of our attack so we can leave Sancho wide and try to pick up/press the second ball.

    Also assuming Bruno is suspended?
     
    SonyaCross493 said:
    All you lot suggesting dropping Ronaldo will be made to eat your words and reading the comments afterwards will be glorious.

    yes let's make Ronaldo the scapegoat when he never got any service against Newcastle. And the defensive mistakes was the reason we didn't win against Newcastle.
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    It’s a game after 72 hours, I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest a rest. He will be a weapon from the bench until he is 50 in all honesty.
     
    The whole reason we are playing 4222 is because Ronaldo needs help with pressing the opposition, we could play 4231 or 433 with a similar pressing system hence why it makes sense to drop Ronaldo to the bench, I would utilise him as a super
    Sub for the next 10 games, he can press for 30 mins and he’d be a massive threat, would be an interesting experiment.
     
    It's only 3 days after the previous game with plenty more to come so some players are going to be rested no matter what at some point including Ronaldo. I can see Shaw, VDB, Matic and Cavani coming in to freshen things up.
     
    Let’s not do the same thing again. Rotate them a little, the players coming in will be no better hehe but let’s try at least.

    Cavani is a gem, he should start and next to him should be maximum energy. Elanga wouldn’t be a bad call on the left, Mason on the right.

    I’d love to see Fred higher up the pitch too. The lack of physical presence would be improved too.
     
    Ibra starts for potential Italian champions AC Milan at 40/41 years of age and there's talk of him getting a new contract too because the club is so pleased with him.

    how come Ibra can start for AC Milan at 40 years of age (and he started for Manchester United not far off Ronaldo's agebut some people think Ronaldo can't start for top 4 contenders Manchester United at 36/37 years of age especially with the way Ronaldo looks after himself and lack of serious injuries.

    I don't understand the difference. Especially when Ronaldo is a genuine GOAT and the best goal scorer statistically of all-time.

    the media and pundits in England are horrible with the agendas. Sadly a lot of fans fall for it judging by the comments in this thread too :( Sad.

    the media and fans didn't go on about Zlatans pressing when he played and started ALL the games for Manchester United. And he was around Ronaldo's age! It's a disgrace.
     
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    I'll like to see some precise attacking play for the boys, if they've been working on them then it has been coming off, we won't be pressing Burnley because they won't be playing out from the back, so its going to be about what we do when we have position.
     
    Trex said:
    De gea
    Dalot varane Maguire shaw
    Mctominay VfB
    Sancho lingard
    Ronaldo Cavani
    I'll like to see some precise attacking play for the boys, if they've been working on them then it has been coming off, we won't be pressing Burnley because they won't be playing out from the back, so its going to be about what we do when we have position.
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    I don't think Lingrad was with the squad vs Newcastle right? Wonder if Rangnick has just dropped players who are waiting out their contracts.
     
    SonyaCross493 said:
    Ibra starts for potential Italian champions AC Milan at 40/41 years of age and there's talk of him getting a new contract too because the club is so pleased with him.

    how come Ibra can start for AC Milan at 40 years of age (and he started for Manchester United not far off Ronaldo's agebut some people think Ronaldo can't start for top 4 contenders Manchester United at 36/37 years of age especially with the way Ronaldo looks after himself and lack of serious injuries.

    I don't understand the difference. Especially when Ronaldo is a genuine GOAT and the best goal scorer statistically of all-time.

    the media and pundits in England are horrible with the agendas. Sadly a lot of fans fall for it judging by the comments in this thread too :( Sad.

    the media and fans didn't go on about Zlatans pressing when he played and started ALL the games for Manchester United. And he was around Ronaldo's age! It's a disgrace.
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    I agree with most of your point, but trust me, that doesn't just happen in England. Actually, wasn't Ronaldo and co. berated when playing for Madrid. I know Bale was! The kind of treatment I've never witness, not only from the media but fans, too.

    Also, you have to consider the coach we had when Zlatan was here and it was also at a period where, whilst pressing was popular, the media wasn't as obsessed as they are with it now.

    But as you said, there will always be agendas. People need talking points. Martial was no better at pressing than Ronaldo has been when we finished second last season, yet no one mentioned that.
     
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