Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United

Spiersey · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Yep and moreover when one week you say you bet £50k on something two years ago and won £350k and another you say it was £100k and you won £700k, it's not really a case of just mixing up two numbers.

I, and pretty much any other professional gambler I know, could tell you every decent stake I've ever had, the exact amount, the exact bet, the result and how the game went. It's not the type of thing you mix up usually.

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

Irrational. said:
How was Fellaini poor exactly? For 2 thirds of the game he and Herrera mopped up everything Liverpool threw at us and were winning their individual respective duels.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion considering for 2/3 of the match you didn't have possession !

redman5 · Oct 18, 2016

Loublaze said:
Try fourth

Should have qualified that by saying in the league. Still, quite an achievement against the most expensive squad ever in the history of the game.

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

Treble said:
This guy is a blatant attention seeker.

It's pathetic really. He is, like the rest of us, no more than just a few 0000s and 11111s on the interweb, he could be lying his ass off, and if he's not who gives a flying feck anyway ? If he's genuine I'm delighted he lost both ways, his money and United not winning, just for being a cretin and spouting off from his pulpit on a football forum.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Spiersey said:
I, and pretty much any other professional gambler I know, could tell you every decent stake I've ever had, the exact amount, the exact bet, the result and how the game went. It's not the type of thing you mix up usually.

Also, I might be wrong, but winning consistently on mainstream bankers like Barcelona, Bayern and Juventus is not really very probable as the odds reflect the probability of outcome minus margin. Snowballing your £350k (or £700k next week) by putting money on them would end in disaster.

Also, VIP account being assigned to someone because they were winning a lot? Or having £220k relied on one game at World Cup?

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

redlyn said:
He did his job. Valencia and Bailly also did theirs.

I thought Young put in a shift. He's like that mostly. You get a solid and consistent sort of 6.5/10 worth of graft. Just does not offer enough but its better than being a liability like lingard / martial / mkhi have proven to be at times.

Fellaini was OK another 6.5 ish for me. If anyone needs to be singled out its Pobga and Ibra.

Is about right.

Cassady · Oct 18, 2016

Irrational. said:
How was Fellaini poor exactly? For 2 thirds of the game he and Herrera mopped up everything Liverpool threw at us and were winning their individual respective duels.

Fellaini was getting stuck in to be honest.

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Also, I might be wrong, but winning consistently on mainstream bankers like Barcelona, Bayern and Juventus is not really very probable as the odds reflect the probability of outcome minus margin. Snowballing your £350k (or £700k next week) by putting money on them would end in disaster.

Also, VIP account being assigned to someone because they were winning a lot? Or having £220k relied on one game at World Cup?

Absolutely. These snowballing 'systems' don't work .. after an 8 year stint working in casinos I can guarantee that !

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

Loved this :

Text from an Arsenal supporting friend:

"If Mourinho had directed Die Hard it'd be 90 minutes of Bruce Willis hiding in a cupboard, then have everyone applauding his tactics for not getting shot." And it would also be the most expensive film ever made.

GailSpaceWynand · Oct 18, 2016

Ander Herrera: 7 tackles, 10 interceptions, 3 clearances, 4 aerials won, 5 completed dribbles, 1 block.

roonster09 · Oct 18, 2016

Rafateria said:
Loved this :

Text from an Arsenal supporting friend:

"If Mourinho had directed Die Hard it'd be 90 minutes of Bruce Willis hiding in a cupboard, then have everyone applauding his tactics for not getting shot." And it would also be the most expensive film ever made.

As if anyone takes Liverpool fans and Arsenal fans seriously when it comes to their opinion on Jose. You can add Barca fans too.

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

roonster09 said:
As if anyone takes Liverpool fans and Arsenal fans seriously when it comes to their opinion on Jose. You can add Barca fans too.

You forgot to add Chelsea, Spurs and most other fans !

Though that of course wan't the point .. it's as funny as feck because of it's accuracy.

roonster09 · Oct 18, 2016

Rafateria said:
You forgot to add Chelsea, Spurs and most other fans !

No, Chelsea fans are fine. They can think properly without the hate blinding their views. Spurs meh.

Kraftwerker · Oct 18, 2016

Rafateria said:
You forgot to add Chelsea, Spurs and most other fans !

Though that of course wan't the point .. it's as funny as feck because of it's accuracy.

Liverpool were far more negative considering they were the home team and had the onus to attack. But whatever makes you feel better.

United will show far more intent at OT than Liverpool did last night, and will likely win the game.

Stretch · Oct 18, 2016

Rafateria said:
Loved this :

Text from an Arsenal supporting friend:

"If Wenger had directed Die Hard it'd be 90 minutes of Bruce Willis loading his gun and polishing it, then have everyone applauding his tactics for not using any bullets and saving money." And it would also have the biggest anti climax as Bruce gets ready to kill everyone (still loading bullets) but gets killed just before the end.

Fixed.

GailSpaceWynand · Oct 18, 2016

IMO, not the most exciting match but tbf kudos to Mourinho for completely negating Liverpool's gegen-tactics.

Tactically, Mou ran Klopp rugged - for all the hype before this match about Liverpool being a great attacking side having scored an average of 2.5-3 goals per match, they had been thoroughly subdued here. I don't understand why people are saying Mou parked the bus - he didn't; exceptional tactical awareness and defensive positioning with runners is not synonymous with parking the bus, for most of the match we were pressing them high up, they hardly had possession in our half, and were attempting long balls to Sturridge the whole game. For a team with 65% possession and 9 home goals in the last 2 matches, they had 3 shots on target (9 overall to our 7) the whole match- so much for every pundit, fan and manager alike stating Liverpool will blow United away. As for DDG keeping us in the game, that makes no sense - he was largely untroubled except Coutinho's chance from outside the box, and Can's effort.

Infact, I believe if not for Zlatan's finishing (a few) and Pogba's awful play, we could have won. The moment Rashford got cramps, Mou realized that he should strengthen the core and not let Liverpool win now - so he got a tad defensive but only then (asking Rooney to track Milner). I am happy with the point, think we could've snatched it at the end (Zlatan's header) but a draw was a fair assessment. Also for people saying, Herrera wasn't that good, Herrera's stats prove otherwise: 7 tackles, 10 interceptions, 3 clearances, 4 aerials won, 5 completed dribbles, 1 block.

Rafateria · Oct 18, 2016

Kraftwerker said:
Liverpool were far more negative considering they were the home team and had the onus to attack. But whatever makes you feel better.

United will show far more intent at OT than Liverpool did last night, and will likely win the game.

Ha ha - yeah all right on all counts.

Treble · Oct 18, 2016

The hype around the game was huge but the actual quality was a tad disappointing. Given the expectations before the game, Liverpool fans are probalby more disappointed though. They were supposed to be in a better form and didn't take advantage. Only Coutinho showed up. Firmino and Mane didn't impress and the less one says about Sturridge the better.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
People are not offended by your pretend high bets, just might feel a bit pissed off about you blatantly lying about them when you can change the story about your 2-year old bet within a week and change the stake from £50k to £100k miraculously. Also the fact that you come on here and put these ridiculous amounts of money, then saying it will be made back easily because you own a multi-million dollar company in four of the most expensive cities in the world at 25 because you funded it through gambling money, on the dynamic bet from the past which used to be £50k but is now £100k. I was sort of on your side in this and even believed for a while but ever since infamous stake changing Germany bet and the posts above it appears quite clear what it is. It's really the 'it might seem high to your average folks but not to me' sort of thing that is also quite ridiculous - why do you feel the need to pretend superior in such an odd way, on the Internet? Does it make you feel better to just point out that we are pleb who will not even be able to comprehend your amazing high bets?

Spiersey makes money on gambling, puts significant money without ever putting his £ value, and is very professional about it and nobody gets offended. I am willing to believe his story about maximum bets too seing as he has history of posting his bets on here. Also, winning £700k will not get you a VIP account, constanty stripping them off cash with your genius mainstream betting won't either. They are in it for money. You say you had £220k running on Germany at one point at the World Cup when you were 22 and sorry, but it is not believable at all when a week ago it was less and at the time of World Cup it was also less.

Also, someone winning £700k at bookies would get picked up quite easily. They would want to use that to draw attention, hoping other folk would try to replicate and inevitably lose money. Hell, someone winning serious money on mainstream betting is something very very unusual.

I didn't win £700k from Bet365. I won £350k as an outright bet, with £50k on Germany to win the World Cup and £20k on Ladbrokes and £30k on a private Asian bookmaker. I have stated on multiple occasions that I use more than 1 bookmaker and I didn't feel it's necessary to write out everything so explicitly since you aren't my accountant. I have never acted superior in any way, just stating my bets. As I've said, people are clearly offended by this so I shall refrain from posting my bet amount in future.

Spiersey said:
I, and pretty much any other professional gambler I know, could tell you every decent stake I've ever had, the exact amount, the exact bet, the result and how the game went. It's not the type of thing you mix up usually.

You're right mate. All serious punters will always remember their exact bet amount since they are playing with their money. In respond to your last post, I don't know why did you say that Bet365 has a max of £250k bet, I know someone who bet up to £500k on a single bet with them. Just curious though, what bookmaker do you use mainly?

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
I didn't win £700k from Bet365. I won £350k as an outright bet, with £50k on Germany to win the World Cup and £20k on Ladbrokes and £30k on a private Asian bookmaker. I have stated on multiple occasions that I use more than 1 bookmaker and I didn't feel it's necessary to write out everything so explicitly since you aren't my accountant. I have never acted superior in any way, just stating my bets. As I've said, people are clearly offended by this so I shall refrain from posting my bet amount in future.

You're right mate. All serious punters will always remember their exact bet amount since they are playing with their money. In respond to your last post, I don't know why did you say that Bet365 has a max of £250k bet, I know someone who bet up to £500k on a single bet with them. Just curious though, what bookmaker do you use mainly?

Yeah, you said you bet £50k and won £350k and then changed to £100k winning £700k. At no point did you mention that it was £50k with one bookmaker. You basically changed your version within a week and the explanation above does not really make sense.

Spiersey has a very good knowledge about betting so if he says they're not accepting higher bets, then they are not accepting higher bets. He's a professional gambler. Sorry but someone gambling £220k on one game at 22 does not seem plausible in any way. I know there are professional gambler who put even more money on stuff but it's never mainstream high-risk bets like this, absolutely never.

People are not offended, people just don't believe you when you're changing your stories, then make up stuff about having multiple accounts and betting heavy money on each of them, and then apparently you're stressing out over £500 bets.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Yeah, you said you bet £50k and won £350k and then changed to £100k winning £700k. At no point did you mention that it was £50k with one bookmaker. You basically changed your version within a week and the explanation above does not really make sense.

Spiersey has a very good knowledge about betting so if he says they're not accepting higher bets, then they are not accepting higher bets. He's a professional gambler.

As I said, I didn't feel that its necessary to mention everything since what matters was the end result.

Alright then. :lol:

it just shows how ignorant you are.

Born2Lose · Oct 18, 2016

redman5 said:
Should have qualified that by saying in the league. Still, quite an achievement against the most expensive squad ever in the history of the game.

I hope I never fall so low that I'm celebrating dropping two points at home against anyone.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
As I said, I didn't feel that its necessary to mention everything since what matters was the end result.

Alright then. it just shows how ignorant you are.

It doesn't really. You changing your version within a week, and the amount which are just not realistic, just shows that you're basically fantasizing. Probably to make you feel better, and mostly to seek attention but when you cannot even remember the stake of your false bet it's really easy to look through it.

It really is not believable in slightest that a 22-year old bet £220k on a game, won millions and not got picked up in any story, anywhere. Even bookmaker that paid this out would want this known. You're just seeking attention and it's pretty clear.

Besides, you'd know that £300k would not let you expand your office to even one of the 4 cities you mentioned, let alone all 4.

Also, as it has been pointed out, non of the high rollers even post their actual stakes in monetary values. Someone who does that is clearly wanting attention and very unlikely to be truthful about this.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
It doesn't really. You changing your version within a week, and the amount which are just not realistic, just shows that you're basically fantasizing. Probably to make you feel better, and mostly to seek attention but when you cannot even remember the stake of your false bet it's really easy to look through it.

You keep on harping about the same point again and I have already refuted your point when I said that I didn't feel the need to write out everything.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
You keep on harping about the same point again and I have already refuted your point when I said that I didn't feel the need to write out everything.

You did not refute anything really. One week you were winning £350k and another £700k. The silly thing about you meaning only one bookmaker was quite clearly bullshit made up on the spot because you've managed to make yourself look silly. 'Yeah I won £700k but I forgot to mention that I was also with two other bookies', come fecking on. :lol:

.

As I say, if you are going to lie about something, at least be consistent. How hard is it to remember you one-week old lie?

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Spiersey said:
Barring him losing hundreds of thousands it would be impossible. I've seen some people on SF 10 but only after losing 100k. With that stake factor you could maybe get a couple of hundred grand on at evens at best (that's the absolute most I'd imagine). Most UK bookies have a payout of £250k as the max too. This is all speculation in terms of SF but it would probably take losses in the millions actually to get to that level.

I'll stress that it's ridiculous hard to get increased limits on the vast majority of bookmakers without losing a lot of money. The into account I've ever had my Stake factor increased on was my own bet365 when I was a muggy punter a couple of years ago.

No bookie would accept £800k either, even the Asian sites would be very unlikely, it would take a ridiculous amount of time to get the bet on using brokers which you would have to do unless you staked pre game but the limits would be so low that the price would be ruined.

Most of the time, my winnings from snowballing came from live-play sports like badminton, volleyball and tennis. Race to 5 points, race to 10 points etc. I'm going to cite a table tennis competitive match for example. The World No 1 tennis player Ma Long against World No 35 Kenta Matsudaira during the China Open, at opening odds of 1.01. Kenta won the second set 8-5 and fifth set 12-10, at one point he was leading by 6 points and he is just 2 match points away yet the odds on him to win that set was still 1.33 so I'd put a huge stake on it and that's how I keep rolling.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
Most of the time, my winnings from snowballing came from live-play sports like badminton, volleyball and tennis. Race to 5 points, race to 10 points etc. I'm going to cite a table tennis competitive match for example. The World No 1 tennis player Ma Long against World No 35 Kenta Matsudaira during the China Open, at opening odds of 1.01. Kenta won the second set 8-5 and fifth set 12-10, at one point he was leading by 6 points and he is just 2 match points away yet the odds on him to win that set was still 1.33 so I'd put a huge stake on it and that's how I keep rolling.

Did you put £50m on it or just £1m?

What you're saying about your betting strategy is not even betting strategy. Nobody ever wins millions that way, honestly.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
You did not refute anything really. One week you were winning £350k and another £700k. The silly thing about you meaning only one bookmaker was quite clearly bullshit made up on the spot because you've managed to make yourself look silly. 'Yeah I won £700k but I forgot to mention that I was also with two other bookies', come fecking on. .

As I say, if you are going to lie about something, at least be consistent. How hard is it to remember you one-week old lie?

Do you think I care about looking silly on the internet to people I don't know personally? :lol:

I have no reason to lie and I don't benefit out of lying to a group of strangers on an internet forum. Take it easy mate. I honestly don't care if you believe or not, but it just goes to show how ignorant you are. Welcome to the world of gambling.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Did you put £50m on it or just £1m?

What you're saying about your betting strategy is not even betting strategy. Nobody ever wins millions that way, honestly.

I have spoken about this in one of my previous posts. Do you even bet bro? Lol

I never claim I won millions, its you who keep mentioning about this. :lol:

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
Do you think I care about looking silly on the internet to people I don't know personally?

I have no reason to lie and I don't benefit out of lying to a group of strangers on an internet forum. Take it easy mate. I honestly don't care if you believe or not, but it just goes to show how ignorant you are. Welcome to the world of gambling.

Well you care enough to make up lies about betting £400k on stuff. Your reason is probably attention seeking, quite simple.

It doesn't show my ignorance at all, this is yet another childish remark thrown at me because I've pointed out that you made a fool out of yourself.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
I have spoken about this in one of my previous posts. Do you even bet bro? Lol

Yep, I bet, small amounts, don't make a living out of it. Probably the same sort of bets that you do, except I don't multiply my stake by 100 or 1000 before I post it on an Internet forum.

You spoke about this in a post where you said you won £350k which set you up, and you put a £50k bet because it was what was left from your £80k winning a few months before. A week later you said it was £700k from £100k bet even though you specifically said you won £80k before, lost some, and decided to put £50k on Germany.

Also, your strategy in that post was not a strategy of a professional gambler. @Spiersey again could literally debunk that in a second because he is one and I am quite sure he'll confirm.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Well you care enough to make up lies about betting £400k on stuff. Your reason is probably attention seeking, quite simple.

It doesn't show my ignorance at all, this is yet another childish remark thrown at me because I've pointed out that you made a fool out of yourself.

Attention seeking? For what? What do I get out of seeking attention on a football forum? I don't get paid nor do I know people here personally.

Your posts about "If Spiersy says it, it must be it because he is a professional gambler blah blah" shows a blatant lack of ignorance.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
Attention seeking? For what? What do I get out of seeking attention on a football forum? I don't get paid nor do I know people here personally.

Your posts about "If Spiersy says it, it must be it because he is a professional gambler blah blah" shows a blatant lack of ignorance.

Why are you asking me? Ask yourself.

Yes, it shows blatant lack of ignorance as you have said, it shows that I respect what a professional gambler with proven record has to say on the matter, as he's been in gambling world and he's got connections, and he makes a living out of it. There you're right.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Yep, I bet, small amounts, don't make a living out of it. Probably the same sort of bets that you do, except I don't multiply my stake by 100 or 1000 before I post it on an Internet forum.

You spoke about this in a post where you said you won £350k which set you up, and you put a £50k bet because it was what was left from your £80k winning a few months before. A week later you said it was £700k from £100k bet even though you specifically said you won £80k before, lost some, and decided to put £50k on Germany.

Also, your strategy in that post was not a strategy of a professional gambler. @Spiersey again could literally debunk that in a second because he is one and I am quite sure he'll confirm.

How do you know what is a strategy of a professional gambler? Do you even gamble professionally? Even if you do or know people who do, are you saying their ways of betting are the ONLY professional ways? How ignorant this is.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
How do you know what is a strategy of a professional gambler? Do you even gamble professionally? Even if you do or know people who do, are you saying their ways of betting are the ONLY professional ways? How ignorant this is.

I don't gamble professionally and neither do you. Putting money on Barcelona, Bayern and Man United is not professional gambling.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Why are you asking me? Ask yourself.

Yes, it shows blatant lack of ignorance as you have said, it shows that I respect what a professional gambler with proven record has to say on the matter, as he's been in gambling world and he's got connections, and he makes a living out of it. There you're right.

Alright mate, he is clearly the only professional gambler in this world.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
I don't gamble professionally and neither do you. Putting money on Barcelona, Bayern and Man United is not professional gambling.

When you are making a living out of gambling, then yes its professional gambling. I don't gamble on teams like this for every match.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
Alright mate, he is clearly the only professional gambler in this world.

Nope, but he's a very good one, and all the professional gamblers I've ever met don't make their money on high-margin, well priced games because the odds reflect exactly the probability of outcome minus margin. It's why betting companies make money.

Reddevilboy · Oct 18, 2016

Sarni said:
Nope, but he's a very good one, and all the professional gamblers I've ever met don't make their money on high-margin, well priced games because the odds reflect exactly the probability of outcome minus margin. It's why betting companies make money.

So what would you define as a "professional betting strategy" then? Betting is all about luck as you have no control over who wins but if you do your due research and analysis, you will increase your probability of winning.

Sarni · Oct 18, 2016

Reddevilboy said:
So what would you define as a "professional betting strategy" then? Betting is all about luck as you have no control over who wins but if you do your due research and analysis, you will increase your probability of winning.

Professional gambling is not really about luck, it's about analyzing pricing of games, probability and seeking games which are priced wrong. It's actually something that people make heavy money out of. It requires a lot of discipline, knowledge and connections but can be done. And it's hardly ever mainstream games because on those bookmakers will have done their thorough analysis and will have priced them well, and with the margin they put you cannot beat the house in the long term unless you're amazingly lucky.

Betting on luck is just betting for fun, nothing professional about this. I do this, I lose more than I win but I do it for fun and don't mind to lose the amounts I bet because they're mostly negligible.

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