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    Four yellow cards for us, none for them.

    Overcompensating.

    I noticed that he gave a foul to them every time one of our lads tried to nick the ball whilst one of theirs had their back to our goal, but we didn't get a single one.
     
    Sorry I just made an observation that the game was woeful. I didn't realise is need to also add some sort of 'evidence' that Herrera's performance was not one of the best ever seen on a football pitch as I thought everyone would know that was nonsense. He played well but let's not get ridiculous.

    I just thought "it was an awful game of football" was a strange reply to someone stating an individual's performance was excellent. As I said, "best ever" is hyperbolic, but it's essentially acknowledging that he played very well.

    Given that you didn't actually refer to Herrera in your initial response, I'm sure you can forgive me for thinking that maybe you'd misread his post.
     
    There seems to be a real disconnect between midfield and the forward running players. Need a lot more width, not sure if bringing on Rooney was the right idea either.



     
    Professional display, if we opened up we would have got beat.

    My biggest worry is Zlatan, his lack of movement is causing issues in my opinion.
     
    I just thought "it was an awful game of football" was a strange reply to someone stating an individual's performance was excellent. As I said, "best ever" is hyperbolic, but it's essentially acknowledging that he played very well.

    Given that you didn't actually refer to Herrera in your initial response, I'm sure you can forgive me for thinking that maybe you'd misread his post.

    I forgive you.
     
    Yes you restricted Liverpool's attack to zero goals but remember, this Liverpool defence has conceded in EVERY SINGLE premier league game bar tonight
    That's a good point you make. Our team lacks balance and certain qualities in key areas. Which is why, when we focus on defense, we become weak in attack and vice-versa.
     
    Apologies if you're genuine but after that performance I thought your comments were a bit "wummy" for want of a better word. You are entitled to your opinion and sorry if I was OOO!
    You do realise this was a one-off match with our available forces employed in a tactical masterclass to nullify 'pools pressing game. Ibra missed a header he'd normally get but other than that … I'll take the point and Jose has learned a bit more about this squad! Move on!

    Apology accepted :)

    Well i don´t just judge from todays match but our season so far. I think we have dropped a fair amount of points al ready and we have to improve sharpish as we are al ready playing catch up to 3-4 teams. Its a long season yes but we can quickly be 10 points behind in 2-3 weeks if our form don´t pick up. our attacking is too slow and movement is generally poor for a team that wants to challenge for the league and top 4 and while we defend ok it wont be enough to do that as City + Arsenal + Tottenham play better and this will get them points easier = more points in the end.
     
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    At some point early in the 2nd half, United were playing two up top, with Zlatan and Pogba, in a sort of 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. This really bothered Liverpool on their construction phase, as they didn't have a clear and easy passing option. It was the only time when United actually won some balls in advanced positions. But it didn't last and Pogba dropped back in midfield, forming the same 4-5-1 where Zlatan was completely a non factor on their possession play, allowing them to bring the ball forward without problems. It's a shame that Mourinho didn't play Pogba more advanced in the 2nd half. He was probably too scared that move would've given Liverpool more space in the middle.
     
    Deserve to win? Did they feck. Its not like we fluked a result. We defended brilliantly and that counts for something. We could have scored as well. The way we fought for every challenge it would have been harsh on us to lose that.

    Youse didn't fluke it. You grafted . We kept youse busy and you kept us busy to.

    What chance was it youse had ?
     
    That press conference was a bit shit though. I cant remember all the details now but I thought he just over hyped it. I mean it was a solid away performance but we didn't dominate or control the game or any of that shite.
     
    Youse didn't fluke it. You grafted . We kept youse busy and you kept us busy to.

    What chance was it youse had ?

    Ibra's. But I am not sure what is the point of your post. Someone said you deserved to win I said you did not.
     
    I 100% stand by my pre-game comment.
    Fellaini was his usual poor self and Young was nowhere.

    Only for DDG saving our blushes... AGAIN.

    How was Fellaini poor exactly? For 2 thirds of the game he and Herrera mopped up everything Liverpool threw at us and were winning their individual respective duels.
     
    How was Fellaini poor exactly? For 2 thirds of the game he and Herrera mopped up everything Liverpool threw at us and were winning their individual respective duels.

    He creates nothing. Offers nothing in the way of a decent 20+ yard pass. His aerial ability is the biggest myth in football - you did see Coutinho beating him to a header tonight didn't you?

    You'll never create a masterpiece with crayons.

    Pogba was utterly shit tonight, but to give Fellaini credit for being less shit is just bizarre.
     
    I 100% stand by my pre-game comment.
    Fellaini was his usual poor self and Young was nowhere.

    Only for DDG saving our blushes... AGAIN.

    Fellaini broke up play very well but offered nothing in the way of creativity with his mediocre passing. Young was one of the best and most disciplined players on the field I don't know what you were watching
     
    I 100% stand by my pre-game comment.
    Fellaini was his usual poor self and Young was nowhere.

    Only for DDG saving our blushes... AGAIN.

    He did his job. Valencia and Bailly also did theirs.

    I thought Young put in a shift. He's like that mostly. You get a solid and consistent sort of 6.5/10 worth of graft. Just does not offer enough but its better than being a liability like lingard / martial / mkhi have proven to be at times.

    Fellaini was OK another 6.5 ish for me. If anyone needs to be singled out its Pobga and Ibra.
     
    We might have had the same amount of shots at goal and got 1 point instead of 3 but at least this time DDG only had to make 2 World Class saves. We've progressed a lot since last season, not as much as £150m suggests but any progress is progress
     
    Well, he's been putting millions of pounds on football each month, just don't feel that it is possible at bet365. @Spiersey would probably know about this and he would probably shed a light if it's at all possible to win several million there without being noticed.


    Barring him losing hundreds of thousands it would be impossible. I've seen some people on SF 10 but only after losing 100k. With that stake factor you could maybe get a couple of hundred grand on at evens at best (that's the absolute most I'd imagine). Most UK bookies have a payout of £250k as the max too. This is all speculation in terms of SF but it would probably take losses in the millions actually to get to that level.

    I'll stress that it's ridiculous hard to get increased limits on the vast majority of bookmakers without losing a lot of money. The into account I've ever had my Stake factor increased on was my own bet365 when I was a muggy punter a couple of years ago.


    No bookie would accept £800k either, even the Asian sites would be very unlikely, it would take a ridiculous amount of time to get the bet on using brokers which you would have to do unless you staked pre game but the limits would be so low that the price would be ruined.
     
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    This does not make sense. Bet365 will not accept a £100k bet from you. Also, how is it possible that you're sweating over £1.5k in a Champions League bet but feel comfortable to risk £100k on something as risky as this?

    Bet365 is one of the biggest bookmaker in the world (I think they are ranked like second), with an annual average revenue of 1.5 billion to 2 billion USD a year and you think they won't accept a £100k bet? Yes its true they have maximum bets so when you exceed their max bet, the amount which exceeds their figure will be referred to their in-house trader and he will decide whether to take on your bet, but 9/10 times, they will accept your bet. I haven't even got a bet rejected yet. You don't even need a VIP account for this. Because £1.5k is a one-off match and losing any amount above £500 in a one-off match is a fecking shit feeling no matter how "small" it seems, whereas £100k is over a course of a season and god forbid, if I were to lose this bet, the pain wouldn't be felt as strongly because so much time has passed, and I'd have been mentally prepared for it.

    Take last season for example. After City won their first 5 games, I was so confident they would win the title that I placed a £42,000 bet on them to win the title. When they drew 0-0 with Leicester in December and lost 0-2 to Arsenal in January, (a win would have been tremendous as they would have made up grounds for Leicester dropped points and I believe they would have been top) and that's when I know my £42,000 is gone. I cashed out my bet, regrouped myself and analyzed the odds and started to find an accumulator of matches or an outright bet to cover losses I have incurred. I refused to believe Leicester would win the title so I ended up playing a 6 game accumulator with City being in top 4 in one of them and I ended up recovering most of my losses and only lost £2,100 in total.

    So what I'm trying to say is when you place a high-stake outright bet, it gives you time to think and plan your strategy to cover your losses if things don't go your way whereas in a 90 min match, you don't have this luxury and you just lose everything in 90 mins.


    Nope, definitely said he was going to put £100k on United to finish top 4 on bet365. Also, he previously stated that he was betting over £80k on Germany at World Cup and that his standard stakes for Champions League games were sometimes 10 times that. Not necessarily saying that he is lying, just pointing out that £100k will not be accepted at bet365. Also, why was he stressed over £1.5k bet in CL the other week and it's apparently pocket money? The whole story is ceasing to make sense and feels more and more like someone who's trying to impress people with his multi-million stakes. He might be putting them but I don't feel it's necessary to come on an Internet forum and brag about this for months.

    Not my business really, but it just feels a bit strange.

    I never mean to brag about my bets and I apologize if this come across as very arrogant and offensive, I was just stating whatever amount I bet. I'm aware that my bets are unusually large for your average folks and I don't blame people for doubting me since they seem ridiculously extravagant but you will be surprised that there are many people who bet as big or even bigger than me. One of my good mates who supports Spurs deposit 300k euros in his account each month and bet 30k euro on each match. If people are getting so offended by my bets, I shall refrain from stating the amount in future. And since when did I ever stake multi-million bets? The biggest bet I have made in my life is a £400k outright bet. An Arsenal fan even signed up on Redcafe just to confront me on my bets. Just fecking hilarious.

    Well, he's been putting millions of pounds on football each month, just don't feel that it is possible at bet365. @Spiersey would probably know about this and he would probably shed a light if it's at all possible to win several million there without being noticed.

    No, I did not bet millions of pounds each month. Please don't put words into my mouth, I never said that at all. Most of my bets average from £1k to £5k these days for league and champions league matches and £50k to £100k for outright bets. I used to bet £100k 2 to 3 years ago on champions league matches when I was single but after I got married and my wife just gave birth 3 months ago, I have a family, car, a kid and more bills to pay, not to mention my company overheads have grown by 150% I have to be responsible to my family and employees so I can't indulge in my gambling. In fact, my wife and I have quarrelled many times over my this so I have agreed to tone down on my bets.


    High rollers use these sites all the time though. John Higgins is a fecking snooker player and he just rang up bookies using his vip account to place ridiculous size bets.
    Isn't it that they minitor for the consistant long odds winners rather than the big wagers on obvious bets?
    They would hardly baulk at 10k when they have millions placed already and lay them off at the exchange.

    Most high-rollers I know have their own private bookmakers because private bookmakers have a 5% rebate and if you are betting in xxx,xxx or xxx,xxxx, that's a lot of money you could recover back. I personally have one with an Asian bookmaker but I still prefer Bet365 as its more comprehensive. I have a VIP account with Bet365 but I didn't even request for it as they upgraded me automatically due to my large stake bets. I wasn't even aware I was a VIP until I phoned them and I was told. When I first started using Bet365, it was a normal account like everyone else, and any bets over £10k would just be referred to their trader and they would accept my bets without any issues.
     
    No offence mate but I've never heard an actual high stakes gambler refer to their bets in anything other than units, your 400k sounds like posturing. I think you're a fantasist trying to delude yourself from your life on the internet. Feel free to post bet slips though.
     
    No offence mate but I've never heard an actual high stakes gambler refer to their bets in anything other than units, your 400k sounds like posturing. I think you're a fantasist trying to delude yourself from your life on the internet. Feel free to post bet slips though.

    Yep and moreover when one week you say you bet £50k on something two years ago and won £350k and another you say it was £100k and you won £700k, it's not really a case of just mixing up two numbers.
     
    Barring him losing hundreds of thousands it would be impossible. I've seen some people on SF 10 but only after losing 100k. With that stake factor you could maybe get a couple of hundred grand on at evens at best (that's the absolute most I'd imagine). Most UK bookies have a payout of £250k as the max too. This is all speculation in terms of SF but it would probably take losses in the millions actually to get to that level.

    I'll stress that it's ridiculous hard to get increased limits on the vast majority of bookmakers without losing a lot of money. The into account I've ever had my Stake factor increased on was my own bet365 when I was a muggy punter a couple of years ago.


    No bookie would accept £800k either, even the Asian sites would be very unlikely, it would take a ridiculous amount of time to get the bet on using brokers which you would have to do unless you staked pre game but the limits would be so low that the price would be ruined.

    Thanks, that's prett clear and what I thought. Someone winning £700k on a mainstream bet would sort of be the kind of thing that would quickly get picked up by the media too, I assume.
     
    Bet365 is one of the biggest bookmaker in the world (I think they are ranked like second), with an annual average revenue of 1.5 billion to 2 billion USD a year and you think they won't accept a £100k bet? Yes its true they have maximum bets so when you exceed their max bet, the amount which exceeds their figure will be referred to their in-house trader and he will decide whether to take on your bet, but 9/10 times, they will accept your bet. I haven't even got a bet rejected yet. You don't even need a VIP account for this. Because £1.5k is a one-off match and losing any amount above £500 in a one-off match is a fecking shit feeling no matter how "small" it seems, whereas £100k is over a course of a season and god forbid, if I were to lose this bet, the pain wouldn't be felt as strongly because so much time has passed, and I'd have been mentally prepared for it.

    Take last season for example. After City won their first 5 games, I was so confident they would win the title that I placed a £42,000 bet on them to win the title. When they drew 0-0 with Leicester in December and lost 0-2 to Arsenal in January, (a win would have been tremendous as they would have made up grounds for Leicester dropped points and I believe they would have been top) and that's when I know my £42,000 is gone. I cashed out my bet, regrouped myself and analyzed the odds and started to find an accumulator of matches or an outright bet to cover losses I have incurred. I refused to believe Leicester would win the title so I ended up playing a 6 game accumulator with City being in top 4 in one of them and I ended up recovering most of my losses and only lost £2,100 in total.

    So what I'm trying to say is when you place a high-stake outright bet, it gives you time to think and plan your strategy to cover your losses if things don't go your way whereas in a 90 min match, you don't have this luxury and you just lose everything in 90 mins.




    I never mean to brag about my bets and I apologize if this come across as very arrogant and offensive, I was just stating whatever amount I bet. I'm aware that my bets are unusually large for your average folks and I don't blame people for doubting me since they seem ridiculously extravagant but you will be surprised that there are many people who bet as big or even bigger than me. One of my good mates who supports Spurs deposit 300k euros in his account each month and bet 30k euro on each match. If people are getting so offended by my bets, I shall refrain from stating the amount in future. And since when did I ever stake multi-million bets? The biggest bet I have made in my life is a £400k outright bet. An Arsenal fan even signed up on Redcafe just to confront me on my bets. Just fecking hilarious.



    No, I did not bet millions of pounds each month. Please don't put words into my mouth, I never said that at all. Most of my bets average from £1k to £5k these days for league and champions league matches and £50k to £100k for outright bets. I used to bet £100k 2 to 3 years ago on champions league matches when I was single but after I got married and my wife just gave birth 3 months ago, I have a family, car, a kid and more bills to pay, not to mention my company overheads have grown by 150% I have to be responsible to my family and employees so I can't indulge in my gambling. In fact, my wife and I have quarrelled many times over my this so I have agreed to tone down on my bets.




    Most high-rollers I know have their own private bookmakers because private bookmakers have a 5% rebate and if you are betting in xxx,xxx or xxx,xxxx, that's a lot of money you could recover back. I personally have one with an Asian bookmaker but I still prefer Bet365 as its more comprehensive. I have a VIP account with Bet365 but I didn't even request for it as they upgraded me automatically due to my large stake bets. I wasn't even aware I was a VIP until I phoned them and I was told. When I first started using Bet365, it was a normal account like everyone else, and any bets over £10k would just be referred to their trader and they would accept my bets without any issues.

    People are not offended by your pretend high bets, just might feel a bit pissed off about you blatantly lying about them when you can change the story about your 2-year old bet within a week and change the stake from £50k to £100k miraculously. Also the fact that you come on here and put these ridiculous amounts of money, then saying it will be made back easily because you own a multi-million dollar company in four of the most expensive cities in the world at 25 because you funded it through gambling money, on the dynamic bet from the past which used to be £50k but is now £100k. I was sort of on your side in this and even believed for a while but ever since infamous stake changing Germany bet and the posts above it appears quite clear what it is. It's really the 'it might seem high to your average folks but not to me' sort of thing that is also quite ridiculous - why do you feel the need to pretend superior in such an odd way, on the Internet? Does it make you feel better to just point out that we are pleb who will not even be able to comprehend your amazing high bets?

    Spiersey makes money on gambling, puts significant money without ever putting his £ value, and is very professional about it and nobody gets offended. I am willing to believe his story about maximum bets too seing as he has history of posting his bets on here. Also, winning £700k will not get you a VIP account, constanty stripping them off cash with your genius mainstream betting won't either. They are in it for money. You say you had £220k running on Germany at one point at the World Cup when you were 22 and sorry, but it is not believable at all when a week ago it was less and at the time of World Cup it was also less.

    Also, someone winning £700k at bookies would get picked up quite easily. They would want to use that to draw attention, hoping other folk would try to replicate and inevitably lose money. Hell, someone winning serious money on mainstream betting is something very very unusual.
     
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    People are not offended by your pretend high bets, just might feel a bit pissed off about you blatantly lying about them when you can change the story about your 2-year old bet within a week and change the stake from £50k to £100k miraculously. Also the fact that you come on here and put these ridiculous amounts of money, then saying it will be made back easily because you own a multi-million dollar company in four of the most expensive cities in the world at 25 because you funded it through gambling money, on the dynamic bet from the past which used to be £50k but is now £100k. I was sort of on your side in this and even believed for a while but ever since infamous stake changing Germany bet and the posts above it appears quite clear what it is. It's really the 'it might seem high to your average folks but not to me' sort of thing that is also quite ridiculous - why do you feel the need to pretend superior in such an odd way, on the Internet? Does it make you feel better to just point out that we are pleb who will not even be able to comprehend your amazing high bets?

    Spiersey makes money on gambling, puts significant money without ever putting his £ value, and is very professional about it and nobody gets offended. I am willing to believe his story about maximum bets too seing as he has history of posting his bets on here. Also, winning £700k will not get you a VIP account, constanty stripping them off cash with your genius mainstream betting won't either. They are in it for money. You say you had £220k running on Germany at one point at the World Cup when you were 22 and sorry, but it is not believable at all when a week ago it was less and at the time of World Cup it was also less.

    Also, someone winning £700k at bookies would get picked up quite easily. They would want to use that to draw attention, hoping other folk would try to replicate and inevitably lose money. Hell, someone winning serious money on mainstream betting is something very very unusual.

    This guy is a blatant attention seeker.
     
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Man of the Match

Ander Herrera image Ander Herrera 65% of 746 votes

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Score Predictions

372,338,176
  • Man Utd win
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Detailed Results

  • 19% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
  • 10% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
  • 9% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
  • 9% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
  • 8% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
  • 7% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
  • 6% Liverpool 0:1 Man Utd
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  • 5% Liverpool 1:3 Man Utd
  • 4% Liverpool 0:2 Man Utd
  • 3% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
  • 3% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
  • 2% Liverpool 0:3 Man Utd
  • 2% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 0:5 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 3:2 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 2:4 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 1:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 1:4 Man Utd
  • 1% Liverpool 1:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Liverpool 5:1 Man Utd
  • 0% Liverpool 4:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Liverpool 3:3 Man Utd
  • 0% Liverpool 4:2 Man Utd
  • 0% Liverpool 0:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Liverpool 4:3 Man Utd
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  1. Liverpool
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Possession
65% 35%
Shots
9 7
Shots on Target
3 1
Corners
3 1
Fouls
14 20

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