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niMic said:
GSP got TKO'd by Matt Serra. If Serra can do it, Hardy can. My money is definitely on GSP, but it's not an impossible task for Hardy.
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he is training so much harder than ive seen him train before and hes timing things better than ever... got a new stand up coach and is being a bit more aggressive rather than his counterpunching... of course im biased but as it gets closer im starting to believe more and more
 
Anybody can knock anybody else out. In my view though, GSP is by far the best pound for pound fighter in the world. He is a complete fighter. Hardy has a punchers chance of knocking him out, but GSP is so far superior in so many different ways. 9 times out of 10 GSP would win. Hardy has to hope that it's the 1 time out of 10 for him.
 
pics 4 versus
Brandon Vera vs. Jon Jones
Junior dos Santos vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo vs. Paul Buentello

Jones is such an exciting prospect... great wrestling base, very athletic and powerful and whilst his strikes are not the tightest they have enough power in them to worry people and with such long reach its hard to trade with him... at 22 he has the potential to become realy fecking good

dos santos is a fighter I like and a win agianst gonzaga could set him up for a showdown with valasquez and the winner of that facing the winner of lesnat v carwin/mir...

kongo needs a win after 2 straight losses and I think he will get one

good card (guida on the undercard as well) for what is not even a proper ufc
 
EZee said:
pics 4 versus
Brandon Vera vs. Jon Jones
Junior dos Santos vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo vs. Paul Buentello

Jones is such an exciting prospect... great wrestling base, very athletic and powerful and whilst his strikes are not the tightest they have enough power in them to worry people and with such long reach its hard to trade with him... at 22 he has the potential to become realy fecking good

dos santos is a fighter I like and a win agianst gonzaga could set him up for a showdown with valasquez and the winner of that facing the winner of lesnat v carwin/mir...

kongo needs a win after 2 straight losses and I think he will get one

good card (guida on the undercard as well) for what is not even a proper ufc
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I don't see how Gonzago - JDS is not the main event
 
EZee said:
he is training so much harder than ive seen him train before and hes timing things better than ever... got a new stand up coach and is being a bit more aggressive rather than his counterpunching... of course im biased but as it gets closer im starting to believe more and more
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Surely he's not gonna get any opportunity to stand and trade?

GSP is going to turn it into a wrestling match, isn't he? Just like he did with BJ Penn. I don't think I've ever seen a fighter with better takedown defence than BJ and even he couldn't stop GSP from dictating the fight with his wrestling.

How will Hardy handle this sort of tactic?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely he's not gonna get any opportunity to stand and trade?

GSP is going to turn it into a wrestling match, isn't he? Just like he did with BJ Penn. I don't think I've ever seen a fighter with better takedown defence than BJ and even he couldn't stop GSP from dictating the fight with his wrestling.

How will Hardy handle this sort of tactic?
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well its very hard to handle...

start most sparing rounds from being in guard and being in side controll, ie on his back
sprawl sprawl sprawl in training...
its gsp he will take you down so its about getting back up
work the clintch as that will probably happen as well which quite suits dan as he has good knees
the best chance he has got is kicks and his range striking... bj penn had to get within shooting distance to get in punching range... dan has far better kicks so it will be about maintaining distance and creating angles... but he will peobably have to sit a little lower in stance to give more shock absorbtion and sprawlability for the inevitable shooting...

and probably keep his hands a little low to help with underhooks for the clinches plus maintaining a decent defence when taken down... this might expose him to some high kicks though but its a trade off...

also slightly lower hands and maintaining the angles / distance maximises the chances of catching a clean hook when gsp shoots...

8 times out of 10 gsp wins... but dans got some heart and he is stronger than people think... very hard to hold down... ok its gsp and there is no better wrestler in mma... and if he spent the next 2 years wrestling there mighnt not even be a better wrestler in wrestling but dan is a better muay thai fighter and as he isnt a classic stalker he has a chance of catching him on the shoot... if he could time a knee on that then boom its light out time no matter who you are because the skull can only take so much...

distance, angles and accepting you are going to go down so sprawling like a fecker and if the chance presents its self try and cut with the elbows... he has realy pointy hard fecking elbows...

its a better game plan than trying to wrestle gsp...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely he's not gonna get any opportunity to stand and trade?

GSP is going to turn it into a wrestling match, isn't he? Just like he did with BJ Penn. I don't think I've ever seen a fighter with better takedown defence than BJ and even he couldn't stop GSP from dictating the fight with his wrestling.

How will Hardy handle this sort of tactic?
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In interviews Hardy has said that he has to pick his spots. He expects to go down, often, his game plan is to stall out on the ground or get back to his feet, flurry again before he is taken back down.

While he has a punchers chance, I don't think GSP is going to give him much of one. He won't risk the stand up, and why should he? He will just keep this on the ground.
 
Name Changed said:
Even if they are standing for a while, it's not as if GSP is a poor boxer.
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To be fair to Hardy, he's good enough to KTFO fighters whose stand-up is a lot better than "poor"

But yeah, I don't see anything other than a fairly easy win for GSP. I think this fight is coming a bit too soon for Hardy. It's too big a step up from his previous opponents.
 
Strange that no one mentioned James Toney signing for the UFC :D. Don't really now what to think of it. He has no ground game as of yet, but I guess he has a chance with his heavy punches. Should add some character to the UFC as well.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
To be fair to Hardy, he's good enough to KTFO fighters whose stand-up is a lot better than "poor"

But yeah, I don't see anything other than a fairly easy win for GSP. I think this fight is coming a bit too soon for Hardy. It's too big a step up from his previous opponents.
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I agree. I especially agree with your comment that it could be a bit too soon for Hardy. A couple of different fights against some top fighters would have been beneficial, in my opinion. I think the UFC is desperate for fighters to step up to GSP as he is so dominant.
 
Name Changed said:
I agree. I especially agree with your comment that it could be a bit too soon for Hardy. A couple of different fights against some top fighters would have been beneficial, in my opinion. I think the UFC is desperate for fighters to step up to GSP as he is so dominant.
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I'm not sure who else there is. GSP is so far ahead of the division that I don't think anyone is really going to prepare you for his wrestling.

Sure you could throw Hardy in with the likes of Fitch or Koschek, two guys who have strong wrestling but that is a potential disaster for the UFC.

GSP has already handled both of those guys. Hardy is a hyped, yet to be tarnished commodity. They are in the business to sell PPV's and if they put Fitch in with Hardy and Fitch predictably grinds out a 3 round dry-hump fest then the potential sales for the next WW PPV could be damaged. I mean, who are they going to stick in with GSP that is a compelling match-up? Not that I think Hardy is especially compelling either tbh. However nobody who watches the UFC has seen him get his ass beat yet, and that tends to be good enough ;p
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Has he?

Jesus. UFC going down the Pride circus route.
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If Tony works on his sprawl, he will be a hand full for most guys he fights. With the small gloves he is likely to kill someone.

I'm not sure why you consider it "circus" either. Tony has spent decades training in one aspect of MMA, striking. Is it a circus when a wrestler takes up MMA? Or a grappler?

The likelihood of Tony achieving much is pretty much nil however. Against any good wrestler he is going to get taken down and smashed. However if anyone decides to strike with him, or he can force someone with a weak take down to strike with him, he should light that dude up.
 
True, maybe circus was a bit much.

I just don't uderstand the logic of James Toney competing in mma. He can barely be arsed to train in boxing any more much less the various disciplines needed to compete at a reasonable level in mma.

I can only assume that Dana sees this as a good oppurtunity to steal some more boxing fans by feeding Toney a couple of guys that will stand with him before humiliating him by putting him in there with the likes of Lesnar or Mir.
 
Apparently it's not confirmed. Lot of tards are drooling over a Couture - Toney fight if Franklin does fight Chuck
 
Nucks said:
If Tony works on his sprawl, he will be a hand full for most guys he fights. With the small gloves he is likely to kill someone.

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dunno about that... if he does not work on his kicks a good muay thai guy will teep him away and then cut him down... as soon as it got to hand range step in and clinch and throw knees at him... and sprawling is ok if somebody is shooting at you but what if they are happy to take you down by pulling guard ala maia

to me the key to mma is how well you transition the ranges of fighting (kicking range to hands, hands to elbows / knees to clinch work to ground fighting)

a good wrestler for example will controll him standing against a cage... if he has a great sprawl (which he may or may not have) dont let him use it...

a good boxer will always struggle in a muay thai fight just as a good muay thai fighter would struggle in a boxing match...

rumour is they will have him fight kimbo because neither has any background in ground fighting... probably a good match up for both of them and it would no doubt create a bit of interest for the fans
 
Burndogg said:
oh right, didn't know that, cant see that going too well.
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i dont think he will do too well in the cage...

but it will sell a hell of a lot of ppv... so from dana's point if view it could go very well...

dana has been talking about him being a top 5 lhw so one last big pay day against the winner of macheda vs rua would make sence... especially if macheda wins as lil n.o.g. & anderson silva wont fight him... and evans / jackson are lined up to fight each other
 
Burndogg said:
Seems like Chuck will be fighting Rich Franklin now, Tito seems to be gone.
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isnt tito vs liddel all ted up fot the next tuf... so neither of them will be fighting till after The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so presumably july 3rd on the lesnar card or june 12th card as previousley rumoured... wouldnt expect another fight out of them till around december / new year and im sure randy will be fighting before then...

this is from wiki
The main event was expected to be Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz. However, in March, Rich Franklin was announced as Liddell's possible opponent for this event, after Ortiz had to pull out.[5]

Dana White then denied, via his Twitter account on March 13th, 2010, that Ortiz has pulled out of the fight, and that Liddell/Ortiz was still on, as well as Couture/Franklin at a later date
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franklin is not a bad fight for him... dana loves them both and he could spin it to give the winner a title shot...
 
Burndogg said:
lil n.o.g wont fight Lyoto? why's that?
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other way around...

but macheda has trained with the n.o.g's for a long time... like with silva they helped him out a lot when he was younger and making his way

that whole black house squad is quite tight but especially to the n.o.g's as most of them wouldnt have made it if it hadnt been for them helping out with cash...

and if you look at their squad...

HW Big n.o.g. (former pride champion)
HW Dos Santos
LHW Machida (current ufc champion)
LHW Lil n.o.g
MW Silva (current ufc champion)
MW Fhilo (former wec champion)
WW Thiago
FW Aldo (current wec champion)

they have some top names in there... even more than aka i'd say...
 
Burndogg said:
Dana seems confident he could make Silva and Lyoto happen in the future, my money would be on AS for that if it ever happened :drool:
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im not sure i can see that...

silva still isnt negotiating a new contract with them bat all... let alone fighting one of his best friends...

i read an article about how when he left japan he almost had to quit mma and the onlt way he could afford to live and support his family was with help from noguera and machida... he said he would never fight either of them...

i could see him fighting rua if rua won... but he has said plenty of times before he would sooner fight at hw than fight lyto...

and if they dont get him on a new contract soon (i believe he has 3 fights left on his current one at which point he said he would leave the ufc) i could see him persuing the roy jones boxing match he has been after... and even a fight with fedor... I imagine the money from thise would be more than the ufc would offer him to do something he does not want to...

id like to see it and id back silva... but id sooner see him against rua as i believe rua won the last fight and i hope he smashes lyto in the rematch

lyoto does not want it either
Lyoto Machida Won’t Fight Silva or Nogueira, Hints at Future Move to Heavyweight | MMAFrenzy.com
UFC light heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida, who returns to the Octagon in a rematch with Mauricio “Shogun” Rua on May 1 in Montreal, discussed potential fights with Anderson Silva and Antonio Rogerio Nogueira as well as a possible future move to heavyweight in a recent chat with fans at RedeTV (via Fighters Only).

“[Anderson Silva and I] won’t fight because we’re friends,” said Machida. “We hang out, go to dinner and do many things together. I want to defend the belt some times and after that, make a personal challenge to test my potential. But it’s a thought for the future. Who knows – will I be the heavyweight champion one day?”

When asked about fighting Nogueira, Machida concluded the interview by stating “Let’s fight other guys.”
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Ha, Silva v Fedor would be bizarre, its a shame about Machida, that would be a dream match. I think the HW division is competitive enough at the moment, I hope he just goes a far as LHW, if even just to test himself again in the division.
 
Burndogg said:
Ha, Silva v Fedor would be bizarre, its a shame about Machida, that would be a dream match. I think the HW division is competitive enough at the moment, I hope he just goes a far as LHW, if even just to test himself again in the division.
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silva and fedor walk aroundd at almost the same weight... its just fedor does not bother to cut weight for fights...
 
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