Invective aside, I really do wonder has happened to Jadon Sancho. There is nothing left to his game. I'm not sure he would even start for most USL clubs.
Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
The new Delle Ali.
Looks to me like he lost any passion he might have had for the game, for whatever reason. He has talent. There is a good player in there. But as long as he can't be bothered to put in the work, we won't ever see that player again.
Of course there are numerous reasons for his dip in form, but I really just struggle to see how he has the physical attributes to be an effective attacker in the Premier League.
I think it’ll be closer to 20m than 24. If the penalty is the rumoured 10m to get no player, vs 20 to get said player, surely they just take the player. He isn’t absolutely dogshit or anything, he’s still a serviceable player.
I think he could have what it takes. He might not be incredibly pacy, but he is quick. Add a bit of muscle and he should be fine. But that would demand effort from him. And for whatever reason, he can’t or doesn’t want to put in that effort.
I love how those experts that said "United made a big mistake" or "we got mugged by Chelsea" have gone all quiet.
I went back and watched some of his highlights from his first run at Dortmund and it was striking how much space he was given and the lack of decent pressing from full backs.
Even his most ardent supporters have to be wondering what happened to him.
As for us, I hope we never hear about him again after this season.
As for us, I hope we never hear about him again after this season.
Pretty sure we won't be getting £20m+. If there's a way out they'll take it.
I mean surely the price for not signing him is more than the price it would’ve cost them to buy him…….I know we were run by idiots for awhile but even the most clueless person could see that. Chelsea surely need to pay us more than 20 million as a fee to return him if not going through with the deal.
Either way we win it’s either get the buy out money or get more money.
The fact is we’ve only ever seen his top level in the bundesliga, he’s never been able to cut it in the PL. I think the style of your league just suited him.
Calling it a win-win is debatable. If they buy out he becomes our problem again and with just a year on his contract, nobody will pay his full wages and we’ll struggle to get 15m for him IMO.
None of it's a win because we never should have signed him. But if the buy out fee is above 5 million, then I'm sure we will find a club to buy him for a fee that brings us pretty close to what we were looking for in total.
then why is the local facebook group always full of messages about how people aren’t picking up their sanchos when they take their dog for a walk?
He has a very weak mentality. Plays like he has nothing to prove. He hasn't had a good season in almost 4-5 years(?), he's nowhere near the England squad and he's done nothing of note in the PL. You would think he would be fired up to prove something but he comes across as someone who thinks they are winning ("freedom" etc).
In the last 4 or 5 years he's genuinely had about 2 or 3 good performances.
One for Dortmund last year vs PSG and I think he maybe had a couple of good performances early on this season for Chelsea. That's it. I don't think he ever had a genuinely good all round performance for Utd in all his time here. He'd have good little cameos or isolated moments but nothing major.
He doesn't have what it takes, maybe he had the potential many years ago but that's completely gone these days. He is now a thoroughly mediocre player with a terrible attitude off the pitch.
One for Dortmund last year vs PSG and I think he maybe had a couple of good performances early on this season for Chelsea. That's it. I don't think he ever had a genuinely good all round performance for Utd in all his time here. He'd have good little cameos or isolated moments but nothing major.
He doesn't have what it takes, maybe he had the potential many years ago but that's completely gone these days. He is now a thoroughly mediocre player with a terrible attitude off the pitch.
That doesn't hold up, because he looked every bit as uninspiring during his second stint at Dortmund as he did for you and is now with Chelsea. I'm not going to argue that the Prem isn't more physical. It is. So of course he would have to put in more effort to blossom there. But that stuff about the Bundesliga suiting him doesn't make sense. Otherwise he should have been good the second time around. He wasn't.
No, we've seen it in the CL too
Hell, just a year ago he was raw-dogging the same Nuno Mendes who just shut down Salah
Issues are obviously mental
You are right. But maybe experiencing the PL in general (or more specifically United) killed his joy for the game overall. That could have happened due to the preferred styles in the two leagues. So I don't think it has to be completely wrong what @2 man midfield said.
Also he played 14 matches on the Bundesliga after he had not played regular football for ages. I don't think you can look at that sample size and believe it is evidence of anything.
His career has showed that he very clearly found the Bundesliga a lot easier than the Premier League.
I think it suited him more than the PL. Every Dortmund highlights package you see of his first spell, it’s typically him and one other yellow shirt running full pelt at a 2 man back line the opponent left back in their own half. It just seemed a lot more gung ho.
I didn’t watch him in his second spell, I thought the consensus was he did ok though? He can’t have done badly if he was “raw dogging Nuno Mendes” or whatever it was.
He was never that good tbh, his good seasons were overrated af. Dan James a more useful player now and probably always
seems he was mostly decent except for a few CL games were he was great(atletico second leg, PSG both legs, final)
He had a single good game against PSG. Besides that he did nothing impressive. It was ok for a player who didn't train with a team for a long time, but showed no real signs of improvement. Calling that "ok" is generous. It at least wasn't enough for Dortmund to keep him.
I assumed Dortmund didn’t sign him because they never spend money. Not because they didn’t want him.
The longer this speculation about termination goes on without someone from Chelsea coming out and quashing it then the more truth there is in it.
He won’t be coming back into Amorim’s squad so it’s a headache for the likes of Wilcox to resolve.
Italy may be a better place for Sancho as EPL too quick for him.
He won’t be coming back into Amorim’s squad so it’s a headache for the likes of Wilcox to resolve.
Italy may be a better place for Sancho as EPL too quick for him.
He never had a game for Utd above a 7/10. It is not as if he was inconsistent, some great games, some bad, he was consistently underwhelming, and limited.
I can't even recall his best game. What would it have been?
Looking at Antony ripping it up in Spain; maybe Sancho can carve out a career there. The pace would suit his ability.
He’s defo coming back to us in the summer so we need another year loan. He’s got Ali e more year on his contract with us, no?
He’s defo coming back to us in the summer so we need another year loan. He’s got Ali e more year on his contract with us, no?
I genuinely have no idea. He's been that forgettable.
Liverpool probably but just remember his goal
Chelsea would be crazy to buy him if they have a way out of the deal. Sounds like it will be expensive but cheaper than getting stuck with him.
They actually spend quite a lot. They bought players for 90m Euros (sold for 60m) ahead of this season, Maxi Beier with 28.5m being the most expensive new signing. As he plays more or less the same position they could have spend that on Sancho. They didn't even try.
Hopefully he goes on a run and scores/assists some, a bit worrying that he might be back here this summer.
If Ornstein has come out and said it's a possibility then it's probably true. We just have to hope that the penalty clause is significant enough that we don't lose out too much financially. You'd hope it covers most of the fee otherwise there's no real disincentive to pull out of an obligation to buy - that is maybe a possibility if Chelsea have realised they don't fancy sticking him on one of their trademark 7 year contracts.
It will have been something Chelsea wanted when they were negotiating the terms with United.
Whoever agreed this may argue that Chelsea wouldn't have agreed to the loan deal with obligation if they didn't have the option to opt out for a fee. Or if we refused the opt out clause, Chelsea may have asked for more favourable terms of the deal in terms of % of wages and transfer fee.
On the face of it, you may say we get the Chelsea penalty fee and we get to sell him elsewhere for a transfer fee so we could end up better off overall. But realistically we won't sell him, we'll end up having to loan him again. So it's a bit shit.
I very much expect them to buy him. It would be wildly embarrassing to have to pay a sizeable sum not to sign someone, so they'll buy him.
Saw a post on X which made me chuckle. Utd and Chelsea should play an extra game at the end of the season. Loser gets Sancho. Now that’s something I would pay to watch. SJR could make it PPV to boost the coffers.