Yes. To all of this. The amount of memories I have in this stadium are cherished.
This new stadium move crushes me.
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
This new stadium move crushes me.
I’ve been bouncing back and forth all day.
Currently at ‘if it didn’t have those daft spikes on top (for no reason) it’d be a mint stadium’.
Think the fan area looks decent, especially if it’s not posh food, the steep stadium and better acoustics is music to my ears (pun intended) and I like that the pitch is recessed into the ground so when you enter at ground level you’re 2/3 of the way up the lower tier.
Currently at ‘if it didn’t have those daft spikes on top (for no reason) it’d be a mint stadium’.
Think the fan area looks decent, especially if it’s not posh food, the steep stadium and better acoustics is music to my ears (pun intended) and I like that the pitch is recessed into the ground so when you enter at ground level you’re 2/3 of the way up the lower tier.
But, in order for us to compete we need to do something that improves our finances.
I love OT, I had a ST for 10 years with some of my favourite ever memories there, but it is so dated and due to the neglect by our owners something drastic has change. If the Glazers had been investing in the Stadium / infrastructure, I believe we would be staying at OT. But, in order for us to get out of this financial pit, something such as this is required.
The official video suggests gives you a far better insight to what it provides than the "circus" comments.Official Stadium Video
What replaces all the car and bus parking spaces?
There's nothing in the renders
There's nothing in the renders
Tram stop. It’s probably a park and ride situation.
The stadium completely relies on the government regeneration project of the area? This might never happen
More glazer divided potential...
There’s a fair amount to dislike about watching our club become less and less connected to its community and more a playground/entertainment megaplex. I’m under no illusion that we have any meaningful sense of community ownership of the club anyway, but to see how fans are going to be further sidelined, in line with the broader trends across the sport, is sad to see and hard to separate from the new stadium design.
This is perhaps too speculative, but if we had hoped that stadium fan protests could be impactful against the Glazers, they’ll be even less so in the future with a stadium that’s less reliant on fans’ match day ticket sales.
Most of these new venues are not car friendly, would assume the public transport infrastructure will get a massive upgrade to help shift 100K in and out of the area.
We have been trying to the games for just over 20 years it's got worse over the years due to the amount of development around the area, used to be able to park fairly close to the ground but most of these places now have apartments on them.
It’ll be seen from outside Liverpool
Metro and train stations. Hopefully feeding a couple of new/improved park and rides.
That's part of the government led investment issue. New houses + bigger stadium needs improved transport links.
Key to that is almost certainly re-routing freight train traffic away from the city centre (and the stadium area) and sending it to the Western freight depot where access to the M62 is better. Once the freight trains stop using the town centre route the passenger network across Manchester gets new capacity.
If you hear government ministers start talking about actual start dates for the North Western freight route and how it's key to the infrastructure plans for South and West Manchester - it's code for United are going to build a stadium.
In my opinion I think many fans can be very short sighted or don’t know this clubs origins. But I’m willing to listen to what points they’d disagree with…
Like you clearly disagree and that’s fine… but what with?
Do you think keeping to the clubs identity and origins, (basically what the whole club stands for) is important?
Do you think this new stadium keeps with the tradition or identity of our club?
Do you not think ticket prices will become astronomical after this is all completed? And the fans like me and you will be eventually pushed out for the wealthier?
(Granted I don’t know if you have a season ticket or your salary).
Do you not agree that all this is, is to benefits the owners financially?
I am on this forum because I like different opinions. But surely you can understand that some opinions are wilder than others?
I’m passionate about this horrible Stadium design and how I consider us alongside Real Madrid as stature, size and class, but they’ve renovated the Bernabau and we aren’t doing the same with our historical home.
So my posts will be more passionate than usual. Apologies if it came across too strong/rude to you, or anyone else. Not my intention at all.
Whilst I don’t appreciate your tone, I fully respect that my points were clumsily constructed and I deserved a bit of patronising, because ultimately, yes it was an emotional outburst.
Because like you, I go to games, I have a season ticket, my old man has had the same seat since 1986, so my post was more out of heartache and confusion at some fans thinking instead of digging out those fans or belittling their own views.
Of the 4 aways games this season I’ve been to (emirates being one of them) they have all been tired and in need of work. As I’ve said, if Real Madrid and Barca can do it… could we not to?
Because in my mind (and wrongly assumed in other United fans minds) that renovating old Trafford and bringing the glory days back to that ground, our true home, would make it even more magical.
Again, my points above should explain. Apologies if you felt attacked or that I was making out I’m a more knowledgeable fan than you. Wasn’t my intention at all.
New generations will make new memories in the new stadium. Pretty much all United fans will miss OT, even those who never went there. But at the end of the day it's a building that can't last forever, and a new stadium should give the fans a much better experience overall.
It's a bit like leaving the home where you grew up. It's not easy with all the childhood memories but we all move on and make new memories in new homes.
I did not expect this design, but I do like it. It feels very unique. It gives off Sci-fi vibes. I am looking forward to the things they do around the stadium with the whole area being redeveloped. "Wembley of the North" as Ratcliffe says. does this possibly mean they would also be making the stadium more multipurpose, would they fit an NFL pitch underneath as they have done with the Tottenham stadium?
I don't necessarily see the new stadium as moving away from the clubs identity and origins. Maybe you can elaborate on this a bit.
For the ticket prices, I agree. It might be very expensive, but I don't know if they can fill a 100k stadium with unreasonable pricing. Keeping in mind that they can still increase ticket prices significantly at OT.
And while I agree that the owners will benefit greatly from this, you can't deny that the fans will too. The overall experience should be much better.
Agree. I think 65k is about right as that still leaves 35k non season ticket holders to fill the stadium. When you put that in context, that would be a about one Goodison Park.
I feel the same.
Can't make it up my mind on it.
I guess there's only so much creativity can be done with a big bowl stadium. They're limited really in just doing something with the facade.
I actually prefer the new one planned for Morocco although it's similar.
I didn't go "wow" the first time I saw it though so I guess that's my feeling.
It won't be done in 5 years if it's dependent on government funding the regeneration of the surrounding area.
Also lots of moving parts like improving public transport, financing etc..
Without getting into my feelings about leaving OT and purely on how the new stadium looks, its weird. I was hoping to have a different feeling from first seeing it, and as much as I wanted something unique, its a very odd looking ground, especially for a city in England I think. I just need a better understanding as to why they've chosen to make it look like that.
I prefer low expectations. It’s not healthy especially with what we are going through with the footballing side. If it turns out well, yay!
Maybe just look at the poll & understand you’re really in the minority here.
I think it looks out of this World, incredible, unique and a brilliant piece of architecture. Covering so many ”outdoor” areas in a rainy city with this design is very smart. I wanted something SoFi like & this delivers in spades.
The trident is the cherry on top.
It looks like something you would expect to see in Dubai or Doha... I can't make up my mind about it
No.. more like the one where he’s like “ehh (looks around) ehhh (looks around) ehh…”
You are right. I'm sorry, to you, @Rado_N and anyone else I spoke to rudely earlier. I wasn't having a good day. I think a day off or several would be good for me. I wish you well.
Irrelevant what the poll reads if this poster doesn’t like it. You can’t say that it’s not very Dubai-y in its design.
To me I get very “1970’s coloured bathroom suite” vibes. It looks the trendy, slick ‘in’ thing now. But wouldn’t be surprised if it ages horrifically in 30 years time.
I'd be interested in seeing the other designs that didn't make the cut.
It was going to happen sooner or later.
I mean I’m not exactly slagging it off? Just a lot to get used to, and nothing like I expected. It’s already grown on since my initial viewing of it.
A poll of other people liking it isn’t going to suddenly make my feelings suddenly change mate
They always look dodgy when AI rendered. The model close up shown on the event release looks fantastic. I'd expect some elements of the design to change over time given feedback from different areas. Would be surprised not to see a small amount of Manchester's industrial heritage influence on the final product. The inside view looks insane. Close to the pitch. Also looks like we'd still enter the pitch from the Stretford corner and have raised dugouts in keeping with OT.
Not sure what to think exactly about the design itself, but it is very unique and ambitious at the very least.
Based on this video, it very much sounds like it is linked to a number of other significant public projects, which while would be amazing does dampen any enthusiasm for getting a new stadium at the same time. That is a massive amount, of what I'm assuming are government funded projects, that are required to make the stadium function properly. And unless they are already funded and accounted for, there is nearly zero chance this gets completed within five years, or ever. And just makes me think this is a distant pipe dream, and while nice PR, is never actually going to happen in the next ten years.
I'd also want to see the details of how this is going to be funded from the clubs side as well.
Based on this video, it very much sounds like it is linked to a number of other significant public projects, which while would be amazing does dampen any enthusiasm for getting a new stadium at the same time. That is a massive amount, of what I'm assuming are government funded projects, that are required to make the stadium function properly. And unless they are already funded and accounted for, there is nearly zero chance this gets completed within five years, or ever. And just makes me think this is a distant pipe dream, and while nice PR, is never actually going to happen in the next ten years.
I'd also want to see the details of how this is going to be funded from the clubs side as well.
Have to respect you here, its almost never the case that someone will pause and reconsider. If not their overall opinion, then at least the positioning of it.
My frustration comes partly from just the constant negativity and I have no idea what fans want. Want an owner who will endlessly plow money into the club, bend to their every whim, pay lip service constantly, guarantee the team wins all the time and anything less is met with a slew of ad-hominen attacks.
Does anyone want to leave Old Trafford? No. Absolutely not. Is there an acceptance that it may be necessary in order to keep up and ensure we are fighting for titles in 10 years time? Sadly, yeah. I take no joy in leaving Old Trafford. It was the first ground I took my son to, then my Mrs and my 5 year old girl will join that soon. I bloody love the stadium and have pushed back repeatedly over the last few years when people exaggerate how downtrodden it is.
All of this is only really to convey why I probably snapped at you. I defend Old Trafford and get loads of shit for it. I get behind the new stadium and am getting shit for it. No matter what I think or say about anything, someone will make a claim that I'm not a 'proper' fan and it gets tiresome.
I do understand the apprehension though, I do feel it myself and I'm gutted to hear it's unlikely we can downsize OT and use it for academy and women's games, I was absolutely behind this.
It'll be brilliant for the area though and with my son desperate to live as close to United as possible, this creates housing and jobs etc that might see him able to get right on its doorstep. In 50 years, nobody will care, sadly. A bit like how none of us care that the Old Trafford we love simply isn't the same stadium it was 50 years ago. Time moves on, things change. We left the cliff, which held so many memories for so many people. Replaced it with a shiny new training complex which now needs a do over because our own fans bemoan that it hasn't moved on. Nobody cares about where the class of 92 trained at anymore, they've moved on and that's uktiantely what will be the case here. Humans don't like change, nothing new there but change is inevitable.
The club's identity isn't a single, consistent thing. It's changed over time and with every decade it moves further and further away from where it started. Not to mention that everyone identifies with it differently. It's not a universal thing. It is in our identity to pursue change, to innovate, to overcome. I don't see this as not fitting that.
Identity isn't in brick and mortar. Old Trafford became iconic because if what occurred there, it didn't pop into being and just exist as that. We built and changed and won and over time, it became iconic. I don't see why this won't be the same. Tens of thousands of fans being able to gather to watch away games and the like will ultimately be an experience that many will grow up with and they won't be able to imagine a time when we had a leaky stadium that you literally turned up to and left immediately from.
To so many people it will be just like when older people talk about the 'old days at the cliff'. Sure it's nice to talk about etc but would anyone want to swap back? No chance. Nobody would sack off the state if the art renovations at Carrington to go back to the good old days where Fergie had his office etc etc. It seems prehistoric now, we'd be in uproar that it isn't befitting a club of our ambitions and size - our own fans have been skating Carrington massively since that Ronaldo interview. So imagine what it would be like if we went back.
And whether any of us like it or not, this is how Old Trafford will be seen. Do a poll in 25 years and I would put my house on basically nobody other than a few bitter old timers saying they would sack off the new stadium and go back to the leaky roof and god awful forecourts. Would anyone swap the current OT for the stadium as it was 50 years ago? Nope, they absolutely wouldn't. Why? Because it simply isn't fit for purpose for a team such as ours.
Based on the way in which the club launched this, it is going to happen—just not in 5 years. 8ish to finish the stadium, surrounding area another 5-10 I bet.
Does anybody know how it will sit on the land with respects to the existing stadium. From looking at the projections i have deduced that the new stadium will be at the end of an avenue where the old stadium sits at present, with apartments bordering the avenue, yet they are saying they are to keep the old stadium.
Gonna be interesting when they start construction, I wonder if they'll try to get the Trident up as early as possible so it can be seen outside of Liverpool sooner just to annoy some fans
I think it looks incredible.
Way better than I thought it'd look.
Way better than I thought it'd look.
If the stadium was moving away from where it was in Stretford I might feel the same way, but it's pretty much in the same place as it is now.
This club was always forward thinking and a club of firsts. The first club to ignore the FA and play in Europe. The first English club to win the European cup. The first English club to win the proper treble.
We built the success of the club by being bold and brave and playing young players, and thinking of the future. Now we must be do that again and build for the future.
I assume that a lot of things will come with the new ground. Etc the clock, statues and the Munich tunnel. The whole area is need a bit of regeneration. When your driving down Chester road towards the stadium it looks a bit of a dump.
You would have to be pretty high up. I don't think I've ever seen Deansgate towers from Liverpool.
I guess there are worse designs it could have ended up like. Any loss at home will be met with clown/circus jokes I'm sure.
It's a shame there won't be a screen inside like at SoFi stadium, I assume the height of the seating would mean people's views could be blocked though.
It's a shame there won't be a screen inside like at SoFi stadium, I assume the height of the seating would mean people's views could be blocked though.
The more I look at it the more I like it. I think the net effect and 3 pillars makes a huge difference and it’ll be the first new stadium that retains the unique identify of old stadiums.
Design or exterior is pretty weird and for me it might take some time to get used to it. It is definitely unique and in that sense fitting for the club of our stature.. think it will grow on me.
But honestly, I care very little about that. For me all the success of a new stadium will depend on the interior or stadium acoustics. I've seen stadiums that are absolutely breathtaking but it is hard to almost impossible to make an atmosphere (and opposite) which makes it shit expirience no matter how many waterfalls, plants and nice restaurants you have outside. Apparently, they made this one of their priorities but they always say things like this (putting a fan in the heart of event). The pic inside the stadium looks very good as well tbf - pretty similiar look to San Mamés only much bigger. So, here is hoping they will make it right.
In any case, giant and welcomed project.
But honestly, I care very little about that. For me all the success of a new stadium will depend on the interior or stadium acoustics. I've seen stadiums that are absolutely breathtaking but it is hard to almost impossible to make an atmosphere (and opposite) which makes it shit expirience no matter how many waterfalls, plants and nice restaurants you have outside. Apparently, they made this one of their priorities but they always say things like this (putting a fan in the heart of event). The pic inside the stadium looks very good as well tbf - pretty similiar look to San Mamés only much bigger. So, here is hoping they will make it right.
In any case, giant and welcomed project.