ICC Champions Trophy 2025

SmallCaine said:
So the 2019 boundary Count winners with dharmasena and his poor umpiring to help them out doesn't get an asterisk but not spending 2 hrs in a flight does. Gotta love the logic but then again I just read an article on reddit comparing bcci's dominance in icc to Dutch East Indian company committing genocide, so not really a surprise.
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SmallCaine said:
England played every single one of their CT games at Lahore with no travel required. You guys are going to need to select opposition squads just not 11 to have a chance.
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aye, we played where the pcb told us to.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
So did we (after we told them we would boycott).
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exactly.

do i get some of the reasoning behind why india didn’t want to play in pakistan? yes. do i think that india would have found it a lot harder to win the tournament, had they had to stay in pakistan, been subjected to hostile locals in and out of the stadiums? yes. would the win have meant more if they managed to overcome those odds? yes. as it is you took the bitch route and seem to be upset that people are calling you out as bitches for it.
 
rimaldo said:
exactly.

do i get some of the reasoning behind why india didn’t want to play in pakistan? yes. do i think that india would have found it a lot harder to win the tournament, had they had to stay in pakistan, been subjected to hostile locals in and out of the stadiums? yes. would the win have meant more if they managed to overcome those odds? yes. as it is you took the bitch route and seem to be upset that people are calling you out as bitches for it.
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Look there’s no way that BCCI are gonna risk Indian cricketers in Pakistan, it’s just not happening. It’s better for the world too, we don’t need any risk of WW3 happening right now.
 
Congrats to India, best team in the format at the moment although NZ were impressive as well. India have the right balance with batting depth and bowling options. Other teams including England really need to improve.
 
TheGame said:
Always seems to be someone with a chip on their shoulder who wants to WUM the thread.
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I think India clearly being the best side anyway has helped - and it also being unarguable their circumstances were farcical.

Its also obviously not any of the players fault.
 
Utd heap said:
I think India clearly being the best side anyway has helped - and it also being unarguable their circumstances were farcical.

Its also obviously not any of the players fault.
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Yep they are well ahead, certainly in these conditions with 4 spinners. Will be interesting for the next world cup in SA and Zimbabwe where you expect seamers to feature more.
 
TheGame said:
Yep they are well ahead, certainly in these conditions with 4 spinners. Will be interesting for the next world cup in SA and Zimbabwe where you expect seamers to feature more.
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Will be a good watch, expect several contenders to be vying for it. Would hope for SA to put in a good home showing. Aus, Eng, and NZ of course. India if Bumrah is healthy and next generation like Rana and Mayank Yadav continue to develop.
 
Henry missing for NZ proved costly for them, I don't think India make such a good start to the chase if he's playing.
 
iKnowNothing said:
Is India’s tour to England later this year the next international cricket for India? Or are there any other bilaterals scheduled?
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Dont think there is any bilateral series between now and the England tour in July. IPL starts end of this month and that will run through April and May.
 


Team of the tournament? I didnt watch enough of it to pick mine but seem like several obvious picks
 
Like they said at the start - barely enough Cricket to form a strong opinion.

Agree with Atherton that you can't have two England batsmen in it.

Other than that found myself nodding along.
 
rimaldo said:
exactly.

do i get some of the reasoning behind why india didn’t want to play in pakistan? yes. do i think that india would have found it a lot harder to win the tournament, had they had to stay in pakistan, been subjected to hostile locals in and out of the stadiums? yes. would the win have meant more if they managed to overcome those odds? yes. as it is you took the bitch route and seem to be upset that people are calling you out as bitches for it.
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Erm, clearly you lack alot of common sense and understanding if you are using such words.

India and Pakistan have political issues, its not because India didn't want to play in Pakistan...

There has been political tension between the countries, go research that before using words such as bitches.

Secondly, there was a terror attack on the Srilankan team bus when they toured Pakistan in 2009.

It took them 10 years to even get cricket back there when Srilanka toured in 2019... when most of their big names decided not to go.

With India and Pakistan rivalry, political issues, individuals are safe in Pakistan, but India did not want to risk the safety of its players.

Do you remember when England had the Euros all at Wembley and coulnd't win it? dont blame the game...
 
romufc said:
Erm, clearly you lack alot of common sense and understanding if you are using such words.

India and Pakistan have political issues, its not because India didn't want to play in Pakistan...

There has been political tension between the countries, go research that before using words such as bitches.

Secondly, there was a terror attack on the Srilankan team bus when they toured Pakistan in 2009.

It took them 10 years to even get cricket back there when Srilanka toured in 2019... when most of their big names decided not to go.

With India and Pakistan rivalry, political issues, individuals are safe in Pakistan, but India did not want to risk the safety of its players.

Do you remember when England had the Euros all at Wembley and coulnd't win it? dont blame the game...
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Remember that time England shared a border with Pakistan, had multiple wars, and existed in a constant state of tension with nuclear weapons in their arsenal? Me neither.

But.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12410552/englands-tour-of-pakistan-cancelled

 
zing said:
Remember that time England shared a border with Pakistan, had multiple wars, and existed in a constant state of tension with nuclear weapons in their arsenal? Me neither.

But.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12410552/englands-tour-of-pakistan-cancelled

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Exactly, didn't see @rimaldo calling them bitches then...

Complete ignorance from that person to not understand things. What is interesting is... he called for their to be hostility towards the Indian players too.

From a country that is recovering, fans are calling for fans to be hostile towards players in and out the stadium.
 
so threaten to boycott and then actually boycott. if india wanted to make a statement, let the tournament happen without them. just makes you look like you threw your toys out of the pram until you got your way.
 
i am refusing to go to america for four years now because of trump and musk. except to take the kids to florida, as we want to go to disneyworld and universal studio. #boycottus
 
rimaldo said:
i am refusing to go to america for four years now because of trump and musk. except to take the kids to florida, as we want to go to disneyworld and universal studio. #boycottus
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The correct analogy would be "my kids want to go Universal Studio and Disneyland but I have boycott the US because I have had physical altercations with Trump and Musk. I have offered to take them to the Universal Studio in Singapore and the Disneyland in Honkong instead"
 
kiristao said:
The correct analogy would be "my kids want to go Universal Studio and Disneyland but I have boycott the US because I have had physical altercations with Trump and Musk. I have offered to take them to the Universal Studio in Singapore and the Disneyland in Honkong instead"
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nah.
 
People will not like it but India were winning this tournament no matter where it was played. Pakistan Dubai Colombo Kathmandu. One off results can happen but over the last 3 odd years India have played the best cricket in limited overs.
 
kiristao said:
You have now got me convinced after this very logical point.
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you clearly lack any ability to be objective on the matter. it’s seemingly an indian cricket fan trait. i’ll be the first to admit that in any sport, other than the sitting down ones like cycling and rowing, we have never had a truly great side. the world cups we’ve won have largely been in favourable conditions (home soil) and we lack the hallmark of truly great sides who win in the toughest conditions, or back to back. for every 2005 ashes we have, we have the embarrassing 5-0 loss straight away afterwards.

india are clearly the best odi side on the planet at the minute, they didn’t need to lift a hollow trophy for that and then hide behind a shameful bcci and icc. it’s not the player’s fault. they’re caught in the middle, but the win simply doesn’t mean as much as doing it against all odds in pakistan. fair enough if they didn’t want to play there, but then just skip the tournament.

having a country that’s currently buying up cricket franchises, and by proxy cricket, across the globe, whilst also being the types that want to take the ball home if they’re not allowed to have it their way, is concerning.
 
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AshRK said:
People will not like it but India were winning this tournament no matter where it was played. Pakistan Dubai Colombo Kathmandu. One off results can happen but over the last 3 odd years India have played the best cricket in limited overs.
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nah. outside a new zealand win, far happier with india than australia or south africa. just not the way it came about.
 
sport is about fairness and a level playing field, no politics, no bullshit: lose that and it’s pointless as a concept.
 
rimaldo said:
sport is about fairness and a level playing field, no politics, no bullshit: lose that and it’s pointless as a concept.
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I hear this point but why are people acting surprised when India refused to tour Pakistan for CT. It was always going to happen.

What is ironic is there was no shouting of unfair advantage in the group stages or before the tournament game. The moment England got battered you first heard from Atherton and Nas who touched this topic so openly. Why did not they or others moan about before the campaign. Same with people from Pakistan. They could not play well so their media started moaning.

Also, in the original draft proposed by PCB back in October or November had India play all the matches in Lahore. Won't that have been also an unfair advantage to them?
 
That champions isn't happening if India doesn't play because the tournament would be loss making.

It's a silly what-if that has no basis in reality. If India is to not play the tournament, then the ban has to come from ICC who clearly didn't choose that path. Why would India voluntarily go up and ban themself from a tournament? That'd be dumb.

Afghanistan is a full member nation who don't get to host cricket tournaments - rightfully. No one complains about it. India cannot travel to Pakistan. The ICC can govern the game with the world as it exists, not how you wish it existed.

The ICC's options were to not host it in Pakistan, or have a co-host where other matches(non Indian) are also held or do this stupid solution. The second would've been a far better solution but they mucked it up.
 
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There are more posts about how/where the tournament was organized *after* the said tournament completed than before the games had started. Shows you the agenda with some fans, players and of course the commentators who love nothing but to stir shit up - Oh the Indian team had an advantage with the schedule; oh the pitches in India are rank turners and they don’t help us when we tour India;
Feels like “grapes are sour” comments.

Was the schedule not ideal? Yes.
Like someone said in this thread earlier, it’s 2.5 hours flight from Pakistan to Dubai. Nothing unlike the travel if this was hosted in India. Teams just gotta live with it, if they want to rake in the money off of Indian fans.

Let’s now focus on the next cricket tournaments and look ahead/move on.
 
rimaldo said:
exactly.

do i get some of the reasoning behind why india didn’t want to play in pakistan? yes. do i think that india would have found it a lot harder to win the tournament, had they had to stay in pakistan, been subjected to hostile locals in and out of the stadiums? yes. would the win have meant more if they managed to overcome those odds? yes. as it is you took the bitch route and seem to be upset that people are calling you out as bitches for it.
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100%
 
AshRK said:
I hear this point but why are people acting surprised when India refused to tour Pakistan for CT. It was always going to happen.

What is ironic is there was no shouting of unfair advantage in the group stages or before the tournament game. The moment England got battered you first heard from Atherton and Nas who touched this topic so openly. Why did not they or others moan about before the campaign. Same with people from Pakistan. They could not play well so their media started moaning.

Also, in the original draft proposed by PCB back in October or November had India play all the matches in Lahore. Won't that have been also an unfair advantage to them?
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This is complete bollocks and the chip on your shoulder bollocks i was hoping to avoid.

There is not some big agenda against the Indian Cricket team, it was horrendously handled by the ICC - and noone trusts the BCCI for fairly good reason TBH.

It's not a reflection on the Indian team themselves or the fecking nation.
 
Utd heap said:
This is complete bollocks and the chip on your shoulder bollocks i was hoping to avoid.

There is not some big agenda against the Indian Cricket team, it was horrendously handled by the ICC - and noone trusts the BCCI for fairly good reason TBH.

It's not a reflection on the Indian team themselves or the fecking nation.
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Every board looks for their interest. Other boards do the same.

Did IcC handle it poorly? Absolutely yes. But none of the other board members or the pundits raised any issue about this. My point was this whole moaning should have been from the moment the schedule was announced and not after their own teams were knocked out in group stages. It just screamed hypocricy.
 
AshRK said:
Every board looks for their interest. Other boards do the same.

Did IcC handle it poorly? Absolutely yes. But none of the other board members or the pundits raised any issue about this. My point was this whole moaning should have been from the moment the schedule was announced and not after their own teams were knocked out in group stages. It just screamed hypocricy.
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Every single Cricket podcast I listen to, or journalist I follow was talking about India's schedule and the organisation of the tournament miles in advance.

I am sure there are some tedious bores out there who do have an agenda against Indian cricket, and just want to have a dig - but from what I saw it's been impossible to not comment on how it played out, because it was a sporting farce and is a bad look for the game.
 
Utd heap said:
Every single Cricket podcast I listen to, or journalist I follow was talking about India's schedule and the organisation of the tournament miles in advance.

I am sure there are some tedious bores out there who do have an agenda against Indian cricket, and just want to have a dig - but from what I saw it's been impossible to not comment on how it played out, because it was a sporting farce and is a bad look for the game.
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Well everyone unanimously agreed that ICC handled it poorly. But I have zero sympathy for other teams who knew this well beforehand. Every board were happy with India playing in Dubai or atleast no one raised that issue. If they really thought this was going to be such a huge advantage to India they should have objected from get go and boycotted it.
 
AshRK said:
Well everyone unanimously agreed that ICC handled it poorly. But I have zero sympathy for other teams who knew this well beforehand. Every board were happy with India playing in Dubai or atleast no one raised that issue. If they really thought this was going to be such a huge advantage to India they should have objected from get go and boycotted it.
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Every other team don't behave like bitches and want to just get on with the game in an even playing field.
 
The Corinthian said:
Every other team don't behave like bitches and want to just get on with the game in an even playing field.
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Every other team would be happy to go play in a country that's known to have started wars against theirs and facilitated terrorist attacks against their country? Sure, champ.
 
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