United Wage Structure - the actual cultural reset

Devil_forever said:
Errr look at our latest financial results….the wages are still a huge problem.
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Do you realize it's not really feasible for United to have a much smaller wage bill than currently? A top 3 biggest club in the world isn't going to have just one or two players above 200k per week and have the players on 120k and 150k as their top earners.

When we had Ronaldo at 515k, De Gea at 375k, Varane at 340k, Pogba at 290k, Cavani at 250k, Martial at 250k, and Sancho at 250k, then yes, it was years of mismanagement that led to that situation and it was bad.

But now?

Casemiro will be gone soon.

Bruno's wages are realistic. He's still one of the best players in the league and plays for the league's biggest club as its captain and best player.

Rashford might be gone soon.

Mount obviously isn't doing enough currently to justify his wages but his injuries are a totally different subject.

Antony will be gone soon.

De Ligt earns less than he did at Bayern, and if you check the top earning defenders across the Premier League, he's right around where he should be, considering everything.

I'd say the same about Maguire as I did about de Ligt, but there's a chance he's leaving at the end of the season. So, he either stays on the same or reduced wages, which are reasonable for a player of his quality, or leaves, freeing up even more space.

Sancho is gone soon.

Eriksen is gone soon.

The next highest earners after the players mentioned are Shaw at 150k/week, Mazraoui at 135k/week, and then the quartet of Onana, Martínez, Ugarte, and Lindelöf at 120k/week each. Lindelöf is gone too at the end of the season, as we know.

Wages aren't a huge problem unless you expect United to pay mid-table wages instead of top 6 wages. (But we are 14th is not a good counter-argument)

United have actually set their wage bill up nicely in the last 24 months for the next few years. Most of the work is done and there's a lot of space for the upcoming rebuild and a lot of new players.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Not remotely surprised by De Ligt's wage. Fully expected it and was part of the reason I was so against the move when everyone else wanted it to happen. Besides generally thinking he's very overrated, if he doesn't perform well, we're stuck with him long-term. Multiplying Antony's Ajax wage by 10X is without doubt the worst piece of business in football history. On top of that, we spent over £80m on him.

INEOS have changed nothing in a positive way. New players continue to get ridiculously inflated contracts. On top of that, INEOS are even worse than the inept Glazers, fecking over the women's team, fecking over the normal working class employees who did nothing wrong, raising ticket prices to screw the most devoted fans over, removing our legends' charities. All spearheaded by a tax dodging cnut. Genuinely disgusted to have these pathetic excuses for human beings associated with the club.
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I mean if you go off these figures it’s quite clear that the signings under INEOS are on far less..

Yoro
Zirkzee
Mazraoui
Ugarte

De Ligt is an outlier at 10m
 
Rojofiam said:
Do you realize it's not really feasible for United to have a much smaller wage bill than currently? A top 3 biggest club in the world isn't going to have just one or two players above 200k per week and have the players on 120k and 150k as their top earners.

When we had Ronaldo at 515k, De Gea at 375k, Varane at 340k, Pogba at 290k, Cavani at 250k, Martial at 250k, and Sancho at 250k, then yes, it was years of mismanagement that led to that situation and it was bad.

But now?

Casemiro will be gone soon.

Bruno's wages are realistic. He's still one of the best players in the league and plays for the league's biggest club as its captain and best player.

Rashford might be gone soon.

Mount obviously isn't doing enough currently to justify his wages but his injuries are a totally different subject.

Antony will be gone soon.

De Ligt earns less than he did at Bayern, and if you check the top earning defenders across the Premier League, he's right around where he should be, considering everything.

I'd say the same about Maguire as I did about de Ligt, but there's a chance he's leaving at the end of the season. So, he either stays on the same or reduced wages, which are reasonable for a player of his quality, or leaves, freeing up even more space.

Sancho is gone soon.

Eriksen is gone soon.

The next highest earners after the players mentioned are Shaw at 150k/week, Mazraoui at 135k/week, and then the quartet of Onana, Martínez, Ugarte, and Lindelöf at 120k/week each. Lindelöf is gone too at the end of the season, as we know.

Wages aren't a huge problem unless you expect United to pay mid-table wages instead of top 6 wages. (But we are 14th is not a good counter-argument)

United have actually set their wage bill up nicely in the last 24 months for the next few years. Most of the work is done and there's a lot of space for the upcoming rebuild and a lot of new players.
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Yep good post.

There’s actually been some good work done to reduce this. Just look at our more recent signings wage.
 
TheReligion said:
I mean if you go off these figures it’s quite clear that the signings under INEOS are on far less..

Yoro
Zirkzee
Mazraoui
Ugarte

De Ligt is an outlier at 10m
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They say De Ligt earns less at United than what he earned at Bayern.


Rojofiam said:
Do you realize it's not really feasible for United to have a much smaller wage bill than currently? A top 3 biggest club in the world isn't going to have just one or two players above 200k per week and have the players on 120k and 150k as their top earners.

When we had Ronaldo at 515k, De Gea at 375k, Varane at 340k, Pogba at 290k, Cavani at 250k, Martial at 250k, and Sancho at 250k, then yes, it was years of mismanagement that led to that situation and it was bad.

But now?

Casemiro will be gone soon.

Bruno's wages are realistic. He's still one of the best players in the league and plays for the league's biggest club as its captain and best player.

Rashford might be gone soon.

Mount obviously isn't doing enough currently to justify his wages but his injuries are a totally different subject.

Antony will be gone soon.

De Ligt earns less than he did at Bayern, and if you check the top earning defenders across the Premier League, he's right around where he should be, considering everything.

I'd say the same about Maguire as I did about de Ligt, but there's a chance he's leaving at the end of the season. So, he either stays on the same or reduced wages, which are reasonable for a player of his quality, or leaves, freeing up even more space.

Sancho is gone soon.

Eriksen is gone soon.

The next highest earners after the players mentioned are Shaw at 150k/week, Mazraoui at 135k/week, and then the quartet of Onana, Martínez, Ugarte, and Lindelöf at 120k/week each. Lindelöf is gone too at the end of the season, as we know.

Wages aren't a huge problem unless you expect United to pay mid-table wages instead of top 6 wages. (But we are 14th is not a good counter-argument)

United have actually set their wage bill up nicely in the last 24 months for the next few years. Most of the work is done and there's a lot of space for the upcoming rebuild and a lot of new players.
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Very good post, the departure of high earners like CR7, DDG, Sancho, Varane and Martial this season and last season freed up significant monies.

As of now, Cas and Rashford and Bruno are the top 3 earners at 300k and Mount is very close, the rest are on reasonable wages, some are leaving this summer, Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen and Evans, which would free some money, the wage bill is healthy, in terms of ratio between wage bill and revenues is definitely lower than it was years ago (it was 56% during the time CR7 and DDG).
 
TheReligion said:
Yep good post.

There’s actually been some good work done to reduce this. Just look at our more recent signings wage.
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I'm certain that Ineos viewed that as a very important part of our transfer dealings last summer, because I think de Ligt, Ugarte and Mazraoui were given reasonable wages. Zirkzee and Yoro too IMO, but obviously they got huge increases on their Bologna and Lille wages.

iKnowNothing said:
What’s happening with Antony?
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He clearly doesn't have a future at the club, so I presume he will be leaving in one of the next 2 transfer windows.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
They say De Ligt earns less at United than what he earned at Bayern.



Very good post, the departure of high earners like CR7, DDG, Sancho, Varane and Martial this season and last season freed up significant monies.

As of now, Cas and Rashford and Bruno are the top 3 earners at 300k and Mount is very close, the rest are on reasonable wages, some are leaving this summer, Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen and Evans, which would free some money, the wage bill is healthy, in terms of ratio between wage bill and revenues is definitely lower than it was years ago (it was 56% during the time CR7 and DDG).
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Thanks. I agree with what you're saying too. The rest of the work is just a question of letting a few contracts expire and finding a buyer for reasonable fees if the club intend to sell the likes of Casemiro, Antony, and Rashford.
 
Rojofiam said:
Do you realize it's not really feasible for United to have a much smaller wage bill than currently? A top 3 biggest club in the world isn't going to have just one or two players above 200k per week and have the players on 120k and 150k as their top earners.

When we had Ronaldo at 515k, De Gea at 375k, Varane at 340k, Pogba at 290k, Cavani at 250k, Martial at 250k, and Sancho at 250k, then yes, it was years of mismanagement that led to that situation and it was bad.

But now?

Casemiro will be gone soon.

Bruno's wages are realistic. He's still one of the best players in the league and plays for the league's biggest club as its captain and best player.

Rashford might be gone soon.

Mount obviously isn't doing enough currently to justify his wages but his injuries are a totally different subject.

Antony will be gone soon.

De Ligt earns less than he did at Bayern, and if you check the top earning defenders across the Premier League, he's right around where he should be, considering everything.

I'd say the same about Maguire as I did about de Ligt, but there's a chance he's leaving at the end of the season. So, he either stays on the same or reduced wages, which are reasonable for a player of his quality, or leaves, freeing up even more space.

Sancho is gone soon.

Eriksen is gone soon.

The next highest earners after the players mentioned are Shaw at 150k/week, Mazraoui at 135k/week, and then the quartet of Onana, Martínez, Ugarte, and Lindelöf at 120k/week each. Lindelöf is gone too at the end of the season, as we know.

Wages aren't a huge problem unless you expect United to pay mid-table wages instead of top 6 wages. (But we are 14th is not a good counter-argument)

United have actually set their wage bill up nicely in the last 24 months for the next few years. Most of the work is done and there's a lot of space for the upcoming rebuild and a lot of new players.
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Of course wages are a huge problem. It's not that we need to shrink the total wages, but rather that the wages are grossly misallocated to underperforming players.

According to these numbers Casemiro is the 4th highest paid player in the Premier League. On top of that we're still amortizing the £65M transfer fee we paid for him for PSR every year. He's making almost half of Brentford's entire payroll, and he doesn't even start for us. It's a massive waste of resources. You say he's "gone soon". Where? From where I'm sitting he's probably going to be with us til he leaves on a free 18 months from now. It'll be a problem until summer 2026, when it'll finally free up a ton of cash that can (hopefully) be used on a star player. You could afford almost any player in the world for just Casemiro's transfer fee + wages.

If you look at our top 10 players by wages (Casemiro, Bruno, Rashford, Mount, Antony, De Ligt, Maguire, Sancho, Erikson, and Shaw) only 2 of them start regularly (Bruno and De Ligt), and Maguire is the only other one that really meaningfully contributes to the team. That's preposterously bad. We're' spending enough money that we should be top 4 at an absolute minimum, but most of our resources go to players who do not contribute to the team.

The wages are THE problem. And Sancho, Maguire, and Erikson are the only ones of those slated to be gone soon. United still have 5 large, long-term bad contracts in Casemiro (2026 expiring), Antony (2027), Shaw (2027), Rashford (2028), Mount (2028). Hopefully we can ship a couple off in the next 6 months so we can free up money to re-invest.
 
bb8 said:
Of course wages are a huge problem. It's not that we need to shrink the total wages, but rather that the wages are grossly misallocated to underperforming players.

According to these numbers Casemiro is the 4th highest paid player in the Premier League. On top of that we're still amortizing the £65M transfer fee we paid for him for PSR every year. He's making almost half of Brentford's entire payroll, and he doesn't even start for us. It's a massive waste of resources. You say he's "gone soon". Where? From where I'm sitting he's probably going to be with us til he leaves on a free 18 months from now. It'll be a problem until summer 2026, when it'll finally free up a ton of cash that can (hopefully) be used on a star player. You could afford almost any player in the world for just Casemiro's transfer fee + wages.

If you look at our top 10 players by wages (Casemiro, Bruno, Rashford, Mount, Antony, De Ligt, Maguire, Sancho, Erikson, and Shaw) only 2 of them start regularly (Bruno and De Ligt), and Maguire is the only other one that really meaningfully contributes to the team. That's preposterously bad. We're' spending enough money that we should be top 4 at an absolute minimum, but most of our resources go to players who do not contribute to the team.

The wages are THE problem. And Sancho, Maguire, and Erikson are the only ones of those slated to be gone soon. United still have 5 large, long-term bad contracts in Casemiro (2026 expiring), Antony (2027), Shaw (2027), Rashford (2028), Mount (2028). Hopefully we can ship a couple off in the next 6 months so we can free up money to re-invest.
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These problems will solve themselves, eventually. You can probably find at least 1 or 2 players at any club that's underperforming relative to their wages or barely playing but earning a lot. A perfect wage bill is almost impossible to achieve IMO.

Even just letting Eriksen and Lindelöf go at the end of the season will free up £270k/week which is £14m annually. Slowly, but surely the wage bill will get even healthier.
 
Rojofiam said:
Do you realize it's not really feasible for United to have a much smaller wage bill than currently? A top 3 biggest club in the world isn't going to have just one or two players above 200k per week and have the players on 120k and 150k as their top earners.

When we had Ronaldo at 515k, De Gea at 375k, Varane at 340k, Pogba at 290k, Cavani at 250k, Martial at 250k, and Sancho at 250k, then yes, it was years of mismanagement that led to that situation and it was bad.

But now?

Casemiro will be gone soon.

Bruno's wages are realistic. He's still one of the best players in the league and plays for the league's biggest club as its captain and best player.

Rashford might be gone soon.

Mount obviously isn't doing enough currently to justify his wages but his injuries are a totally different subject.

Antony will be gone soon.

De Ligt earns less than he did at Bayern, and if you check the top earning defenders across the Premier League, he's right around where he should be, considering everything.

I'd say the same about Maguire as I did about de Ligt, but there's a chance he's leaving at the end of the season. So, he either stays on the same or reduced wages, which are reasonable for a player of his quality, or leaves, freeing up even more space.

Sancho is gone soon.

Eriksen is gone soon.

The next highest earners after the players mentioned are Shaw at 150k/week, Mazraoui at 135k/week, and then the quartet of Onana, Martínez, Ugarte, and Lindelöf at 120k/week each. Lindelöf is gone too at the end of the season, as we know.

Wages aren't a huge problem unless you expect United to pay mid-table wages instead of top 6 wages. (But we are 14th is not a good counter-argument)

United have actually set their wage bill up nicely in the last 24 months for the next few years. Most of the work is done and there's a lot of space for the upcoming rebuild and a lot of new players.
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But it is a valid counterargument. The whole point is that we're paying top 3 wages to a rank average squad and getting a very poor return on our investment.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
But it is a valid counterargument. The whole point is that we're paying top 3 wages to a rank average squad and getting a very poor return on our investment.
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Our squad is still somewhere between the 4th and 6th best in the league. Probably 5th or 6th currently.

So if we are paying top 3 wages (I don't think we are, anymore) with around 3-5 players on relatively high wages probably leaving soon, after having cleared millions from the weekly payroll by the dozens of departures in the last 24 months, the situation isn't bad IMO.

Also, I've forgot to post this earlier in this thread, but according to this tweet and the thread following it, our wage bill is even lower than what the information available on sites like Capology, etc. suggests:



@Big Ben Foster @bb8 @OmarUnited4ever @iKnowNothing @TheReligion @Devil_forever

Further info that reinforces the notion that we are in a healthy situation regarding the wage bill
 
There's a semi-interesting piece in the Torygraph today about the impact signing Sanchez had on our wage structure

It notes that within 18 months of the signing we'd put 21 year old Rashford on a £250k a week deal and De Gea ended up renewing for £375k per week. It also meant the likes of Herrera were demanding over £300k to sign.

Despite all the questionable decisions made since then, we're definitely making some progress towards undoing this. I just thought it was interesting considering the domino-effect one player could have on the whole structure. It also notes the impact on the dressing room, that's before you get into an in-form Martial getting dropped to accommodate Sanchez in the starting eleven.

After his signing we also brought into Ronny, Casemiro, Varane and Cavani - all aging stars on massive wages.

What they fail to note is that Zlatan was on about £350k a week 2 years before, but I think that's because it's mainly a puff piece on how amazing Arsenal are.
 
Rojofiam said:
Our squad is still somewhere between the 4th and 6th best in the league. Probably 5th or 6th currently.

So if we are paying top 3 wages (I don't think we are, anymore) with around 3-5 players on relatively high wages probably leaving soon, after having cleared millions from the weekly payroll by the dozens of departures in the last 24 months, the situation isn't bad IMO.

Also, I've forgot to post this earlier in this thread, but according to this tweet and the thread following it, our wage bill is even lower than what the information available on sites like Capology, etc. suggests:



@Big Ben Foster @bb8 @OmarUnited4ever @iKnowNothing @TheReligion @Devil_forever

Further info that reinforces the notion that we are in a healthy situation regarding the wage bill
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Stop posting this fraud, his wage predictions and ebitda predictions for this year were way way off and he posts that our wages to revenue ratio is 27%, it's not, its circa 55% according to our latest set of accounts.
 
Casemiro 350K
Rashford 300K
Mount 250K
Shaw 150K
Eriksen 150K
Antony 150K

That's 1.35M a week of our wage bill that offers nothing to us on the pitch. None of those players on current form and fitness would make it to Brighton's squad.


Brighton's entire squad is on less than 1.2M a week.
 
Rojofiam said:
Our squad is still somewhere between the 4th and 6th best in the league. Probably 5th or 6th currently.

So if we are paying top 3 wages (I don't think we are, anymore) with around 3-5 players on relatively high wages probably leaving soon, after having cleared millions from the weekly payroll by the dozens of departures in the last 24 months, the situation isn't bad IMO.

Also, I've forgot to post this earlier in this thread, but according to this tweet and the thread following it, our wage bill is even lower than what the information available on sites like Capology, etc. suggests:



@Big Ben Foster @bb8 @OmarUnited4ever @iKnowNothing @TheReligion @Devil_forever

Further info that reinforces the notion that we are in a healthy situation regarding the wage bill
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5th best squad in the league?!?!??!?!
 
I want to read insight from the Rumble with the right nationality, not the imposter with the wrong one.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Casemiro 350K
Rashford 300K
Mount 250K
Shaw 150K
Eriksen 150K
Antony 150K

That's 1.35M a week of our wage bill that offers nothing to us on the pitch. None of those players on current form and fitness would make it to Brighton's squad.


Brighton's entire squad is on less than 1.2M a week.
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Rashford will be gone in summer by the looks, Casemiro gone in summer hopefully, Mount I don't see leaving anytime soon, Shaw should be gone, Eriksen off on a free in summer, and hopeful we can sell Antony in summer.

On top of players like Lindelof, Malacia, Evans and so going to, the wage structure at the end of the season is going to look a lot different I imagine.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Contact info for your drug dealer please? His wares must be POTENT
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Onana, Bruno, Maguire, Shaw, Mainoo, and Rashford would all be nailed-on starters for your club btw, who I'm sure you would have higher than 5th best in the league based on your little 15 game long run of form after more than 2 years of shit results :confused:
 
Rojofiam said:
Onana, Bruno, Maguire, Shaw, Mainoo, and Rashford would all be nailed-on starters for your club btw, who I'm sure you would have higher than 5th best in the league based on your little 15 game long run of form after more than 2 years of shit results :confused:
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:lol: seems I've touched a nerve. Rashford starting for us :lol::lol::lol:
 
Rojofiam said:
Onana, Bruno, Maguire, Shaw, Mainoo, and Rashford would all be nailed-on starters for your club btw, who I'm sure you would have higher than 5th best in the league based on your little 15 game long run of form after more than 2 years of shit results :confused:
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I'm not sure that's true.

Very little difference between Onana and Sanchez. Does Bruno start ahead of Palmer or Fernandez? Maguire probably gets in alongside Colwill but he's not somebody that Maresca would ever choose to sign. Shaw can't stay fit enough to be a nailed on starter for anyone, Rashford can't seem to stay motivated enough and with Mainoo I'm not certain he'd start over Fernandez either.
 
I'm probably asking for too much here, but does anybody know which percentage of our turnover we are currently spending on wages?

David Gill said years ago (before the ongoing banter era) that we spend 50% or less of our annual turnover on wages. So I'm wondering how much that is now. I know we release a lot of financial figures but wouldn't know where to start with them
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I'm probably asking for too much here, but does anybody know which percentage of our turnover we are currently spending on wages?

David Gill said years ago (before the ongoing banter era) that we spend 50% or less of our annual turnover on wages. So I'm wondering how much that is now. I know we release a lot of financial figures but wouldn't know where to start with them
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https://x.com/gregorypcordell/status/ 1882246430108393826

Here you go - enter it in without the space
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I'm probably asking for too much here, but does anybody know which percentage of our turnover we are currently spending on wages?

David Gill said years ago (before the ongoing banter era) that we spend 50% or less of our annual turnover on wages. So I'm wondering how much that is now. I know we release a lot of financial figures but wouldn't know where to start with them
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55%. Hopefully will get it back down to 50% in the next 2 years.
 
idek2346 said:
https://x.com/gregorypcordell/status/ 1882246430108393826

Here you go - enter it in without the space
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Brilliant reply thank you. So slightly over now, but will likely fall back below 50% if they get Casemiro and/or Rashford off the books

Aston Villa at 96% is mental. Surely that isn't sustainable. No wonder they're open to big offers for Duran.
 
Little Liverpool who don’t pay big wages as all their players like to play for free … at 63%.

And that’s without big contracts for Salah, VVD and Trent.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Casemiro 350K
Rashford 300K
Mount 250K
Shaw 150K
Eriksen 150K
Antony 150K

That's 1.35M a week of our wage bill that offers nothing to us on the pitch. None of those players on current form and fitness would make it to Brighton's squad.


Brighton's entire squad is on less than 1.2M a week.
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This isn't entirely accurate. Most players have a Champions League clause which means that as it stands, their wages are reduced. Eg Antony's wage is reduced by 25%, so right now he is on £104k. I believe Betis are paying around £85k, and we are subsiding the rest.

Would be interesting to know how much we had to entice Casemiro to join us and if he has that CL clause.

On a related note, off the field ETH really does deserve some credit. There was a lot of work done and noticeably, under his tenure, to remove the highest earners; Sancho, Ronaldo, Martial, DDG off the wage bill. That extended to trying to shift Maguire when we agreed a transfer fee for him.
 
The best source of wage bill is from the balance sheet. Everything else is tosh. Figures below:
Club​
​
2024 (£)​
2023 (£)​
Man Utd​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
377,053​
331,374​
​
Revenue​
661,755​
648,401​
​
Wage/Revenue​
57%​
51%​
Man City​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
412,573​
422,895​
​
Revenue​
715,019​
712,768​
​
Wage/Revenue​
58%​
59%​
Arsenal​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
​
234,766​
​
Revenue​
​
464,557​
​
Wage/Revenue​
​
51%​
Liverpool​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
​
372,881​
​
Revenue​
​
593,836​
​
Wage/Revenue​
​
63%​
Tottenham​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
​
251,121​
​
Revenue​
​
549,633​
​
Wage/Revenue​
​
46%​

I'm also puting the source link in case anyone can spot an error to correct:
Man Utd
Tottenham
Man City
Arsenal
Liverpool

I didn't add Chelsea since I couldn't find their balance sheet from publicly available sources. Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs only had 2023 report, so skipping 2024 for them.

We should be close to 300m wages this year given we don't have CL + the fact that we got rid some useless high wage players.

Out of the £113m loss, £47m is related to one time write off for INEOS aquisition, £46m is related to increase in wages due to CL qualification (basically, this has been covered already by getting rid of the likes of DVB, Martial, Varane, Greenwood, Brandon Williams etc and replacing them with lower wage players + will further be bolstered by getting rid of a few more deadwood next year like Rashford, Casemiro, Antony, Eriksen, Shaw who will all be off next year). The remaining £20m is related to higher amortization due to legacy mistakes. It's not as bad as it looks, particularly if revenue stays same while wages drop further due to lack of CL.

Woodward did the "oh, we're so rich we can pay anything you ask for" pitch and the result was what we did over the last decade. INEOS is doing the "oh, we're bankrupt and have no money" pitch for better bargains. Frankly, a lot of this PR on United finances is good for us since it will ensure we don't overpay and get ripped off on transfers and wages like we're accustomed to. It's a welcome shift over "Oh, let's bring in Neymar" type of conversations to where we are actually hunting for younger talent who will take the club forward.
 
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bringbackbebe said:
The best source of wage bill is from the balance sheet. Everything else is tosh. Figures below:
Club​
​
2024 (£)​
2023 (£)​
Man Utd​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
377,053​
331,374​
​
Revenue​
661,755​
648,401​
​
Wage/Revenue​
57%​
51%​
Man City​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
412,573​
422,895​
​
Revenue​
715,019​
712,768​
​
Wage/Revenue​
58%​
59%​
Arsenal​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
​
234,766​
​
Revenue​
​
464,557​
​
Wage/Revenue​
​
51%​
Liverpool​
​
​
​
​
Wages​
​
372,881​
​
Revenue​
​
593,836​
​
Wage/Revenue​
​
63%​
Tottenham​
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251,121​
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Revenue​
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549,633​
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Wage/Revenue​
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46%​

I'm also puting the source link in case anyone can spot an error to correct:
Man Utd
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Man City
Arsenal
Liverpool

I didn't add Chelsea since I couldn't find their balance sheet from publicly available sources. Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs only had 2023 report, so skipping 2024 for them.

We should be close to 300m wages this year given we don't have CL + the fact that we got rid some useless high wage players.

Out of the £113m loss, £47m is related to one time write off for INEOS aquisition, £46m is related to increase in wages due to CL qualification (basically, this has been covered already by getting rid of the likes of DVB, Martial, Varane, Greenwood, Brandon Williams etc and replacing them with lower wage players + will further be bolstered by getting rid of a few more deadwood next year like Rashford, Casemiro, Antony, Eriksen, Shaw who will all be off next year). The remaining £20m is related to higher amortization due to legacy mistakes. It's not as bad as it looks, particularly if revenue stays same while wages drop further due to lack of CL.

Woodward did the "oh, we're so rich we can pay anything you ask for" pitch and the result was what we did over the last decade. INEOS is doing the "oh, we're bankrupt and have no money" pitch for better bargains. Frankly, a lot of this PR on United finances is good for us since it will ensure we don't overpay and get ripped off on transfers and wages like we're accustomed to. It's a welcome shift over "Oh, let's bring in Neymar" type of conversations to where we are actually hunting for younger talent who will take the club forward.
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If these figures are correct, how have Man City taken more revenue than us? We're meant to be one of the biggest revenue producing clubs in the world, along with Real anad Barcelona surely? I can't understand City driving more revenue than us....
 
We Are Manchester United said:
If these figures are correct, how have Man City taken more revenue than us? We're meant to be one of the biggest revenue producing clubs in the world, along with Real anad Barcelona surely? I can't understand City driving more revenue than us....
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This has been going on since forever, they don't actually. They self sponsor. Look at their sponsors, there's almost none who either aren't directly controlled by their overlords or, even more comically, get announced when the UAE makes a trade deal with a country they suddenly get a couple of companies from that country immediately added to their sponsor list.
 
JBG said:
Gotta be honest, I really don't understand why we bought him(Mount). Expensive backup imo, both in wages and transfer price.
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IMO, pricetag and wages are my least concern. My concern is WHERE do we put him and HOW to make him useful.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
This has been going on since forever, they don't actually. They self sponsor. Look at their sponsors, there's almost none who either aren't directly controlled by their overlords or, even more comically, get announced when the UAE makes a trade deal with a country they suddenly get a couple of companies from that country immediately added to their sponsor list.
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Not true. They have more fans from around the world who are drawn to them by their glorious history and players like Naill Quinn and Giorgi Kinkladze. This + recent (definitely not state funded) success drives up their commercial attraction. End of.
 
cyril C said:
IMO, pricetag and wages are my least concern. My concern is WHERE do we put him and HOW to make him useful.
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The issue is, we tried to do what Arsenal did, 1 DM and two 10's, it clearly failed.
 
the hea said:
Shaw, Lindelöf, Casemiro, Mount, Rashford and Antonys wages i costing us 70m a year and they contribute nothing on the pitch. Everyone is looking for the problem. This is the problem.
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Totally agree, Just painful to see all this miss management, not signing right players and giving them tons of wages.
If we add their wage bill until their contract end period, it will be around 120M+ for the above players, problem is we are struggling to send them out on loans to cover at least half of their salaries.

As we are talking about cultural reset here, are you ok to lose that 120M wage bill on these players for next 2/3 years period and release them if we cant arrange any loan deals OR you still prefer to keep them until their contract ends?
 
Dve said:
Wages as of Dec 2024 (https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...tm_source_platform=newsnow#cscd738dd96bb192e4):

Goalkeepers:
Andre Onana£6,240,000
Tom Heaton£2,340,000
Altay Bayindir£1,820,000

Defenders:
Matthijs de Ligt£10,140,000
Harry Maguire£9,880,000
Luke Shaw£7,800,000
Noussair Mazraoui£7,020,000
Lisandro Martinez£6,240,000
Victor Lindelof£6,240,000
Leny Yoro£5,980,000
Diogo Dalot£4,420,000
Tyrell Malacia£3,920,000
Jonny Evans£3,380,000

Midfielders:
Casemiro£18,200,000
Bruno Fernandes£15,600,000
Mason Mount£13,000,000
Christian Eriksen£7,800,000
Manuel Ugarte£6,240,000
Kobbie Mainoo£1,040,000
Daniel Gore£260,000
Toby Collyer£260,000

Attackers:
Marcus Rashford£15,600,000
Antony£10,400,000
Joshua Zirkzee£5,460,000
Rasmus Hojlund£4,420,000
Alejandro Garnacho£2,600,000
Amad Diallo£1,500,000
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Considering Evans/Lindelof/Eriksen leaving in summer

Question is how many you keep from this list?

Onana, Shaw, Casemiro, Mount, Antony, Rashford, Zirkzee, Rasmus
 
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