United Wage Structure - the actual cultural reset

It isn't as pronounced as this in real life workplaces, but new starters often earn more than longer term servers, as companies simply have to pay market rates to attract new staff. And they're not dumb, they're not going to suddenly up everyone else's money because of it.
As you say it's not as pronounced, it might be 20% more, for example. Plus, normal folks don't have agents who's job is literally to get them the best package possible....
 
I can understand that the wages got high for Casemiro, he was a big name and an experienced top tier player.
Sancho as well, he was very highly rated at Dortmund.
Rashford has been the posterboy for United for some time now and also shown that his highest level is up there with the very best, i can sort of understand why he is on big wages.

But what in the name of Satan has Mason Mount done to warrant 250k?
Are we laundering money through Mason somehow or were our former top dogs just THAT clueless?
 
But what in the name of Satan has Mason Mount done to warrant 250k?

I imagine his are quite heavily performance/objective based. No player at the club will be on 250k per week flat.

I'd imagine Casemiro is the highest flat wage at Utd based on what you already described.
 
Heaton at 45k/wk is stealing a living. He's averaging 1 game per season. Or getting paid 2 million per game.
 
I can understand that the wages got high for Casemiro, he was a big name and an experienced top tier player.
Sancho as well, he was very highly rated at Dortmund.
Rashford has been the posterboy for United for some time now and also shown that his highest level is up there with the very best, i can sort of understand why he is on big wages.

But what in the name of Satan has Mason Mount done to warrant 250k?
Are we laundering money through Mason somehow or were our former top dogs just THAT clueless?
This x 100. It's not cluelessness - it's inertia.

We keep complaining about our wage bill and each year we say we are learning but then do exactly the same again and again.

It's very difficult to fix this since it's very hard to adopt a sensible wage structure and reset this. Any players agent will be like "I understand this is a new project/cultural reset but you're telling me that Mount/Rashford/Sancho deserve twice what you're offering us?"
 
I can understand that the wages got high for Casemiro, he was a big name and an experienced top tier player.
Sancho as well, he was very highly rated at Dortmund.
Rashford has been the posterboy for United for some time now and also shown that his highest level is up there with the very best, i can sort of understand why he is on big wages.

But what in the name of Satan has Mason Mount done to warrant 250k?
Are we laundering money through Mason somehow or were our former top dogs just THAT clueless?
You could understand it if the fee had been a bargain or he was out of contract.
But 50m and 250k takes some beating against even our last decade of madness.
 
Heaton at 45k/wk is stealing a living. He's averaging 1 game per season. Or getting paid 2 million per game.
For some reason big clubs have an obsession with having a properly experienced 3rd choice keeper.
No real idea why we don't just reserve the 3rd choice keeper role for some promising kid on 10-20k a week max.

Last year United messed my other club Wycombe around over Nathan Bishop. Had agreed the loan but insanely insisted on keeping him around instead even though he had zero chance of getting near even the bench.
We've got him on loan this season though!
 
Sancho wasn't just some random kid, though.

He was widely regarded as one of the best U21 players and best talents in the world. His United tenure has obviously been a massive failure so far, but the general consensus was wildly different at the time of his signing. It could be argued at the time that we got him for cheap at 73 million, as he was considered a 100 million talent. I think every other interested team was going to pay the 250k/week for him as well.
Who else was interested?
 
Who else was interested?

I'm not sure I can remember accurately, and I'm too lazy to go back 3-5 years and look it up, but I'm pretty sure many teams were monitoring him at the very least, even if the interest wasn't that advanced, especially as we were getting closer to signing him...however I think Madrid, Chelsea and Liverpool were all looking at him.
 
For some reason big clubs have an obsession with having a properly experienced 3rd choice keeper.
No real idea why we don't just reserve the 3rd choice keeper role for some promising kid on 10-20k a week max.

Last year United messed my other club Wycombe around over Nathan Bishop. Had agreed the loan but insanely insisted on keeping him around instead even though he had zero chance of getting near even the bench.
We've got him on loan this season though!
True. It's not like that promising kid can't play at reserve or other levels. Get one kid for half season as 3rd choice, then loan him on the later half season. Then have another kid for that later half season as 3rd choice.
 
The money saved by united laying off office staff in the past couple of months pays mason mounts wages for 8 months.
Great fiscal strategy.
 
Wages as of Dec 2024 (https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...tm_source_platform=newsnow#cscd738dd96bb192e4):

Goalkeepers:
Andre Onana£6,240,000
Tom Heaton£2,340,000
Altay Bayindir£1,820,000

Defenders:
Matthijs de Ligt£10,140,000
Harry Maguire£9,880,000
Luke Shaw£7,800,000
Noussair Mazraoui£7,020,000
Lisandro Martinez£6,240,000
Victor Lindelof£6,240,000
Leny Yoro£5,980,000
Diogo Dalot£4,420,000
Tyrell Malacia£3,920,000
Jonny Evans£3,380,000

Midfielders:
Casemiro£18,200,000
Bruno Fernandes£15,600,000
Mason Mount£13,000,000
Christian Eriksen£7,800,000
Manuel Ugarte£6,240,000
Kobbie Mainoo£1,040,000
Daniel Gore£260,000
Toby Collyer£260,000

Attackers:
Marcus Rashford£15,600,000
Antony£10,400,000
Joshua Zirkzee£5,460,000
Rasmus Hojlund£4,420,000
Alejandro Garnacho£2,600,000
Amad Diallo£1,500,000
 
Some over paid shit right there. Makes sense now why they couldn't care less.
 
Shaw, Lindelöf, Casemiro, Mount, Rashford and Antonys wages i costing us 70m a year and they contribute nothing on the pitch. Everyone is looking for the problem. This is the problem.
 
Look at those numbers, must be nice. Tones of them has to go, no point otherwise, those results and performances you can get out of players on 20k per week. We have to reset wage bill, lets build something that makes sense, like players wages match or be around similar to teams results, table position, performance etc. Those overpaid cnuts can go somewhere else and leech there.
 
If that is true that’s horseshit. I thought Bayerns previous management was bad but ours is the best of the worst in Europe. fecking pricks had no idea how to run a club. How did they get to be the top people at a club like ours?
 
We are the club who gave Brandon Williams a £40k a week contract (who by the way is still a free agent six months after leaving). It is absolutely up there as one of the biggest problems at the club.

Glazers and Woodward are the ones responsible for it. You’re supposed to dangle the carrot in front of people to make them perform well, not just give it to them.
 
I made a new thread focusing on the mega wages we've dished out and how it almost always seems to have the completely opposite effect:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/uni...contracts-and-subsequent-performances.486189/

The alarming thing was INEOS giving Bruno 300K and an extra year, when he was already earning 200K and had 2+1 years left on his deal, whilst turning 30. He followed that up with maybe 6-7 terrible performances at the start of this season.

I continue to be amazed that we do not lower the base wage and boost it with incentivised collective bonuses.
 
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Wages as of Dec 2024 (https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...tm_source_platform=newsnow#cscd738dd96bb192e4):

Goalkeepers:
Andre Onana£6,240,000
Tom Heaton£2,340,000
Altay Bayindir£1,820,000

Defenders:
Matthijs de Ligt£10,140,000
Harry Maguire£9,880,000
Luke Shaw£7,800,000
Noussair Mazraoui£7,020,000
Lisandro Martinez£6,240,000
Victor Lindelof£6,240,000
Leny Yoro£5,980,000
Diogo Dalot£4,420,000
Tyrell Malacia£3,920,000
Jonny Evans£3,380,000

Midfielders:
Casemiro£18,200,000
Bruno Fernandes£15,600,000
Mason Mount£13,000,000
Christian Eriksen£7,800,000
Manuel Ugarte£6,240,000
Kobbie Mainoo£1,040,000
Daniel Gore£260,000
Toby Collyer£260,000

Attackers:
Marcus Rashford£15,600,000
Antony£10,400,000
Joshua Zirkzee£5,460,000
Rasmus Hojlund£4,420,000
Alejandro Garnacho£2,600,000
Amad Diallo£1,500,000

The new players we have signed and will yet sign come on high wages, we dont have a title challenge to tempt them with so money has been and will be the answer.

We will probably eventually, find a solution for the outliers like Rashford, Casemiro and Antony - although it'll include paying half their wages. But the new players we sign will probably take a lot of the money that was freed up and even if it doesnt, we'll continue on the curve to go out of control again

For example did we really need to pay Mazraoui more than Lisandro? De Ligt certainly hasnt come close to being a good choice for that money. Ugarte slots in well there so thats one good one. And then Zirkzee is earning more than the striker who starts instead of him every week, even though hes doing poorly in the league as well.
 
Some work for the new regime to get things balanced.
It really shines a spotlight on just how poor our squad building have been for ages.
 
We are the club who gave Brandon Williams a £40k a week contract (who by the way is still a free agent six months after leaving). It is absolutely up there as one of the biggest problems at the club.

Glazers and Woodward are the ones responsible for it. You’re supposed to dangle the carrot in front of people to make them perform well, not just give it to them.
Get him back on a 6 month deal :p
 
We are spending £60M a year on our midfield :lol:

It's just a disgusting waste of money, If there was some sort of return at the end of it then it wouldn't be so bad but we're paying Champions League wages and seeing Conference League performances.

Players are shameless as well for taking that amount of money and delivering feck all, I would be a bit embarrassed at this point if my employer quadrupled by salary and I still couldn't do the basics of my job.
 
Not remotely surprised by De Ligt's wage. Fully expected it and was part of the reason I was so against the move when everyone else wanted it to happen. Besides generally thinking he's very overrated, if he doesn't perform well, we're stuck with him long-term. Multiplying Antony's Ajax wage by 10X is without doubt the worst piece of business in football history. On top of that, we spent over £80m on him.

INEOS have changed nothing in a positive way. New players continue to get ridiculously inflated contracts. On top of that, INEOS are even worse than the inept Glazers, fecking over the women's team, fecking over the normal working class employees who did nothing wrong, raising ticket prices to screw the most devoted fans over, removing our legends' charities. All spearheaded by a tax dodging cnut. Genuinely disgusted to have these pathetic excuses for human beings associated with the club.
 
Wasn’t this mostly debunked by the end of year - Antony without his add ons was like £70k. The totals are everything combined but a few years back they said no one was going in on over £200k. So guys like Bruno will be on £200k with £100k of add ons which, judging by our form, he’s unlikely to hit many of.
 
Hopefully some of those players that are on big wages like Casemiro, Rashford and Antony will be gone soon. Bruno will be 31 in September so it's not crazy to think he could leave as well, especially given that there would be clubs willing to pay good money for him and we'll need money. Eriksen and Lindelof surely leaving come the end of the season. Maguire and Shaw to leave either 2025 or 2026.

If club can do some shrewd and wise business whole wage structure could look better for next season. That coupled with good signings and we can hope for better in the coming years.
 
Hopefully some of those players that are on big wages like Casemiro, Rashford and Antony will be gone soon. Bruno will be 31 in September so it's not crazy to think he could leave as well, especially given that there would be clubs willing to pay good money for him and we'll need money. Eriksen and Lindelof surely leaving come the end of the season. Maguire and Shaw to leave either 2025 or 2026.

If club can do some shrewd and wise business whole wage structure could look better for next season. That coupled with good signings and we can hope for better in the coming years.
It's the same old problem isn't it. Utd over paying players & then very few teams can afford them. !!
It's too late to fix existing salaries but the club need to move on & stop giving 30 year old players 300 thousand a week.
 
Wages as of Dec 2024 (https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...tm_source_platform=newsnow#cscd738dd96bb192e4):

Goalkeepers:
Andre Onana£6,240,000
Tom Heaton£2,340,000
Altay Bayindir£1,820,000

Defenders:
Matthijs de Ligt£10,140,000
Harry Maguire£9,880,000
Luke Shaw£7,800,000
Noussair Mazraoui£7,020,000
Lisandro Martinez£6,240,000
Victor Lindelof£6,240,000
Leny Yoro£5,980,000
Diogo Dalot£4,420,000
Tyrell Malacia£3,920,000
Jonny Evans£3,380,000

Midfielders:
Casemiro£18,200,000
Bruno Fernandes£15,600,000
Mason Mount£13,000,000
Christian Eriksen£7,800,000
Manuel Ugarte£6,240,000
Kobbie Mainoo£1,040,000
Daniel Gore£260,000
Toby Collyer£260,000

Attackers:
Marcus Rashford£15,600,000
Antony£10,400,000
Joshua Zirkzee£5,460,000
Rasmus Hojlund£4,420,000
Alejandro Garnacho£2,600,000
Amad Diallo£1,500,000
Of the ones on massive wages of around 10m or more.

Maguire, Casemiro, Rashford hopefully not here for much longer.

However looks like we're stuck with Shaw, Bruno, Mount and Antony for years.
 
Nobody on the Cafe knows what each player is earning and even if the figures were accurate we would still be in the dark over any clauses or bonuses.

Like a few have pointed out, with United sitting in the bottom half of the table and no CL qualification in sight! They are getting no where near the numbers they could get, if they didn’t stink the place out every week.

That might explain why they look miserable most of the time, the lads are only earning 25% what there agents negotiated.
 
I’m not sure what’s worse, Goal presenting these wages as fact, or people believing it. Take 25% off for a start and that is probably the absolute maximum players are possibly earning this season.
 
Goalkeepers:
Andre Onana£6,240,000
Tom Heaton£2,340,000
Altay Bayindir£1,820,000

Defenders:
Matthijs de Ligt£10,140,000
Harry Maguire£9,880,000
Luke Shaw£7,800,000
Noussair Mazraoui£7,020,000
Lisandro Martinez£6,240,000
Victor Lindelof£6,240,000
Leny Yoro£5,980,000
Diogo Dalot£4,420,000
Tyrell Malacia£3,920,000
Jonny Evans£3,380,000

Midfielders:
Casemiro£18,200,000
Bruno Fernandes£15,600,000
Mason Mount£13,000,000
Christian Eriksen£7,800,000
Manuel Ugarte£6,240,000
Kobbie Mainoo£1,040,000
Daniel Gore£260,000
Toby Collyer£260,000

Attackers:
Marcus Rashford£15,600,000
Antony£10,400,000
Joshua Zirkzee£5,460,000
Rasmus Hojlund£4,420,000
Alejandro Garnacho£2,600,000
Amad Diallo£1,500,000

Son is getting paid as much as Maguire. Throughout his career, he had produced the followings:
16/17 - 14 league goals & 6 league assists.
17/18 - 12 league goals & & 6 league assists.
18/19 - 12 league goals & 6 league assists
19/20 - 11 league goals & 10 league assists
20/21 - 17 league goals & 10 league assists
21/22 - 23 league goals & 7 league assists
23/24 - 17 league goals & 10 league assists

Most of his goals aren’t even penalty, only 23/24 season was when he became penalty taker. And he did all of these at Spurs, the quality around him ain’t that good, but it didn’t affect him and still performed. This is a good example of how £9,880,000 salary should be performing, this Is why the likes of Antony, Mount, & Rashford must go!! Casemiro also must go. With that salary, he needs to perform like prime Modric or has the same impact as Rodri. I think these four players must go in the summer.

Maguire should not be getting similar paid as van Dijk. And also with that wages, I expect de Ligt to develop to become near van Dijk level.

Was Dan Ashworth the one who gave Bruno upgraded contract in the summer? He deserves to be sacked.
 
Woody and Judge are responsible for this, so now we have to completely revamp wage structure
 
Shaw, Lindelöf, Casemiro, Mount, Rashford and Antonys wages i costing us 70m a year and they contribute nothing on the pitch. Everyone is looking for the problem. This is the problem.
We could actually give them away and make a profit since none of them are contributing.

But they will never leave in a hundred years if we don’t pay them of or contribute to the wages at their new club. Cause no club would pay that money.

Sad.
 
We need to bring back a sensible wage structure for sure.

If players are only wiling to sign for us because we give them 300k a week at age 21, then we should be questioning whether they should be here at all.
 
Woody and Judge are responsible for this, so now we have to completely revamp wage structure
Mostly. I'd like to see all the wages since they departed. There are still some anomalies.

None of our players are all that and are being outplayed by their equivalents in the majority of teams in the league. I would hazard a guess that the median wage of all these players is less than half what they are on.

Amorim system doesn't rely on superstars, just very good players who work hard and have energy. Hopefully we can transition without being relegated
 
There must be a way we can convince a few of the more reasonable players to leave or renegotiate to include more performance based bonuses.

As an example, Shaw barely plays anymore, and there's ample evidence that his body can't cope with the demands anymore. There must be some way he can leave that suits both parties.
 
Stop moaning about the wage bill. 90% of the issues regarding it have been fixed already.

It was a big problem in 2022, but not anymore. It has been trimmed down massively since then. Check it for the 2021/22 season. That's a real problematic wage bill that needed fixing. The players that have left since then earned more combined, than what our whole wage bill is right now. All the top 7 earners from just 3 seasons ago are gone already, too.

Now, there's actually a lot of space for new signings, and to offer our best performers improved terms too.

All 5 players bought in the summer were offered reasonable terms as well.

Most of the current high earners at the club either have a future here, or don't have long on their contract anyways.

Most of Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, Maguire, Eriksen, and Shaw probably won't be at the club in 2-3 years' time, and that's probably a generous time window as well. Most of them can be let go / sold earlier if that's what the club wants. That's again 6 players from our top 10 current highest earners.

You're totally ill-informed if you're still moaning about United's wage bill in December 2024.
 
Stop moaning about the wage bill. 90% of the issues regarding it have been fixed already.

It was a big problem in 2022, but not anymore. It has been trimmed down massively since then. Check it for the 2021/22 season. That's a real problematic wage bill that needed fixing. The players that have left since then earned more combined, than what our whole wage bill is right now. All the top 7 earners from just 3 seasons ago are gone already, too.

Now, there's actually a lot of space for new signings, and to offer our best performers improved terms too.

All 5 players bought in the summer were offered reasonable terms as well.

Most of the current high earners at the club either have a future here, or don't have long on their contract anyways.

Most of Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, Maguire, Eriksen, and Shaw probably won't be at the club in 2-3 years' time, and that's probably a generous time window as well. Most of them can be let go / sold earlier if that's what the club wants. That's again 6 players from our top 10 current highest earners.

You're totally ill-informed if you're still moaning about United's wage bill in December 2024.
Errr look at our latest financial results….the wages are still a huge problem.