He should still have some value. He’s still very young and put in some decent performances for Dortmund. Think we should be looking at getting at least 40m for him.
Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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Get them to throw in Dan Ashworth while they're at it
Should start there but between 45-50 million is the number that should get it over the line. A lot of teams could use his creativity and yes he is young. A team that would go for him would be one that could spend a decent amount.
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ETH did not buy Garnacho and Mainoo. He did not create them. And he will probably damage them by overusing them.
It's groundhog day in here it seems 
quick recap:
-A manager's responsibility goes through the whole squad. Not one player.
-Said player have been the opposite of an asset for the club he plays for for three years now. Under three different coaches.
-There's no significant demand for Jadon Sancho in the market right now, which is telling in itself. The team where he played for last half season doesn't want him unless other club pays for his wages.
-The latter gets us to the other issue which is that Sancho's transfer problem isn't transfer price, it's wages. Which reduces drastically the list of potential buyers/interested clubs. This is manageable of course, but only if A) there's an interested club and B) the player is willing to reduce his wages to go there. Both look unlikely.
quick recap:-A manager's responsibility goes through the whole squad. Not one player.
-Said player have been the opposite of an asset for the club he plays for for three years now. Under three different coaches.
-There's no significant demand for Jadon Sancho in the market right now, which is telling in itself. The team where he played for last half season doesn't want him unless other club pays for his wages.
-The latter gets us to the other issue which is that Sancho's transfer problem isn't transfer price, it's wages. Which reduces drastically the list of potential buyers/interested clubs. This is manageable of course, but only if A) there's an interested club and B) the player is willing to reduce his wages to go there. Both look unlikely.
Sometimes good management requires setting standards and demanding responsibility. Especially involving assets that are on 375k a week and can‘t be arsed to be on time or follow instructions on the pitch.
Must be easy to make this shit up. I'd guess Spurs and Barcelona.
Not much chance of either actually being interested.
But he gave them a chance… which means he’s basically making them be what they are.
Very few teams can afford £45-50m and 300k pw in wages. Who do you propose would buy him for that fee and salary?
Yes quite. Players aren't passive assets. They are employees, just like the manager, and should be held to expected standards just as the manager is.
Setting standards means sacking the manager who finishes 8th. ETH is the last person that I'd respect about "standards".
Some frosty people in here still wanting Sancho back eh.
Of course they are not passive assets. As you say they are employees. In my professional work, I never respected a manager who did not respect me first. And I always respected everyone who worked under me. The manager sets the standards of respect, not the employees.
If I was a Man Utd player, I would not respect ETH because he doesn't seem to respect the players and he has clear favorites like Antony (the "unstoppable" Antony). I have had managers like that in the past (not in football) and I wouldn't care less about them.
God give it a rest.
ETH did not make anything. Garnacho and Mainoo made themselves, they'd be great players under any manager. Garnacho and Mainoo are what they are because of their talent and their hard work, not because of their manager (who is overusing them... which can lead to a serious injury at this age).
The only person who should be praised (perhaps) is the scout who brought them into Man Utd. But that was luck, too, you can hardly be certain about such a young player, he may become a Ronaldo, he may become a Januzaj.
Are you willing to say the exact words about the class of '92 and Sir Alex?
There is no way back for Sancho at this point. He should be sold. And he will be sold at a huge loss because ETH is a bad manager and damaged his value.
ETH should have sold Sancho last summer - instead, he was trying him as a striker! He had a full year with him, and he still did not know what to do with him. Sancho may be shit, but our current problem is that ETH is not good at his job, either. Which is obvious, he managed Antony before and he still believed that Antony is unstoppable!
Do you really believe that ETH is comparable to Sir Alex? Seriously?
Ferguson was involved in bringing those players to Manchester United when they were young and then managed them at the United senior team for many years, sometimes their entire careers. You would not use the exact same words to describe that situation because it's a very different one.
I guess pep over used Foden when he was 19/20 then. If your good enough, your old enough. Theirs no such thing as over using anyone. Their professional athletes. Should be capable of playing 30+ games a season. The younger you are, the more fitter and fresher you are, kids grow up wanting to be professional footballers because it’s what you love. If you love what you’re doing you don’t want it to end. If you want to go on about over using players then you need to look at the top end of players careers. Ronaldo and pepe for example. 39 and 41. Id say their being over used because their old and will be more worn out. ETH seen 2 talented youngsters and decided to give them a chance which they’ve earned by hard work like you said. And now they’re in the first team to stay.
So the tight Germans ran a mile when they realised they have to spend actual money and not just be a bunch of Twitter fan girls.
Sack the one that is trying to raise the standards; great plan. INEOS doesn‘t agree with you.
Finishing 8th is not raising the standards. It is our lowest position in the past 30 years.
I have no idea why INEOS are keeping ETH. In my opinion, ETH has failed already, he will be sacked sooner or later, and he will leave the squad in the worst shape of the past decade. It will not be easy to get rid of the unstoppable Antony, Onana, and the rest of the deadwood that ETH has brought.
Did you not hear ? The longer a player isn’t involved in the starting 11 the better he gets.
(See Amrabat )
Unless you’re Martinez , apparently he’s a crock according to folks on here
The hard part will be finding a buyer for anything more than a free transfer. Sancho is damaged beyond repair. He may carve out a decent journeyman's career but no top club waste their wages on him and no bottom feeding club looking for a name player has the resources to spend on him.
I was all in on bringing in Sancho, but he was shite before ETH tbh.
I was all in on bringing in Sancho, but he was shite before ETH tbh.
I think this sums up why you have no idea .
You are not open to any discussion . There's plenty of stuff that has been said by ineos if you want to listen .
The environment has not been right for anyone to succeed . Many people have echoed it , I've not heard anything from ineos that follows your line... He's crap , end of .
They don't share your hard-line opinion .
I get that you're frustrated , but you really do need to chill out , your relentless with the doom .
I don't have a problem with your opinion about Ten Hag but I do find it strange that your metrics of success for him are seemingly very different to those for Sancho.
Ten Hag, 2 years, 2 cups.
Sancho 3 years, 2 extended mid-season holidays, no cups. Well he did play 36 mins total in the league cup last year but...
I have said it many times that Sancho is not United material and should be sold. However, I hold the manager to a higher standard. Sancho is just one of the many footballers we have. ETH is the manager, he is older, he is the leader.
We have 26 or so footballers, but only one manager. One problematic footballer is nothing, it is expected that you will have 2 or 3 problematic footballers among the 26. But our main problem is not Sancho, it is ETH who cannot handle the footballers properly, cannot judge their worth correctly ("unstoppable Antony"), cannot understand why his tactics have been failing the whole season ... and so on. Is there a single aspect of football management where ETH is world class? I don't think so.
Keeping ETH for another year means we will have dreadful football for another full year. Keeping Sancho for another year means nothing, if we have better options in the squad, we can just play them instead.
Will be impressed with Ineos regarding this situation if we manage to sell him for the 40m asking price. They decided early that he has to go, set a decent asking price and like I said would be great if we can end this long ongoing issue early in the window, with recouping a decent amount of money for the player as well.
Those are awful sources, whilst if you read Athletic articles about this it's clear that the players abused player power and basically undermined ETH.
I don't think so. Ronaldo couldn't accept being substituted and deserved to be sacked following his Piers Morgan interview. Varane couldn't be relied upon due to how prone he is to injury. Following several poor performances, Casemiro couldn't accept being benched for the FA Cup Final. Sancho is a waste of space.
In my opinion, "Player power" is not a thing.
And if you want more analysis, I watch football because I want to watch world class players.
I don't give a fart about some mediocre bald guy on the sidelines, who has the wrong tactics the whole year and can't even understand why it is wrong even after everyone explains it to him.
Everyone can accept everything. If you know how to approach them. But this requires man management skills. Something that ETH doesn't have.
That's not true at all. Ronaldo was a brat.
https://archive.ph/7iaQ0
I recommend reading this whole article as it contains very interesting bits about several issues behind the scenes, but if what Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo and Casemiro all did to undermine ETH (and Rangnick in Ronaldo's case) is totally okay to you, then it's a good thing you're not involved in running the club as no manager would survive these things.
Ronaldo wasn't willing to do any pressing out of possession under both ETH and Rangnick as he believed that's not necessary and a useless thing for him to do. How can you defend that? Pep would throw him out the door after the first time he does that. Or Klopp. Or Arteta.
I've been playing a game where I drink everytime Frosty says 'unstoppable Antony' in a thread that's about Ten Hag v Sancho. Either Frostbite has an agenda (hic) or I'm just drunk. Hiccup. I think both are true.
Let's test that theory .
What approach would get you to accept that you could be wrong on Sancho ? Explain to me how it's done .
I'm not convinced it's possible , which makes your everyone can accept everything line a hard sell .