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He should still have some value. He’s still very young and put in some decent performances for Dortmund. Think we should be looking at getting at least 40m for him.
Get them to throw in Dan Ashworth while they're at itSelling him to Newcastle would be ideal, really. Another reason to hate that club, and probably one of the few teams that can both pay a decent fee and afford his wages.
Should start there but between 45-50 million is the number that should get it over the line. A lot of teams could use his creativity and yes he is young. A team that would go for him would be one that could spend a decent amount.He should still have some value. He’s still very young and put in some decent performances for Dortmund. Think we should be looking at getting at least 40m for him.
ETH did not buy Garnacho and Mainoo. He did not create them. And he will probably damage them by overusing them.Garnacho and Mainoo’s valuation increase is way higher than Sancho and Antony’s decrease…. Would you agree he’s net positive.
Sometimes good management requires setting standards and demanding responsibility. Especially involving assets that are on 375k a week and can‘t be arsed to be on time or follow instructions on the pitch.I still believe that ETH is not good for Man Utd, he is a bad manager, and he has been and remains a liability for our club. The players of this club are the assets of this club, ETH is just a liability.
The manager has to find a way to get more value for each asset, that's the definition of a good manager for any type of business. ETH is the opposite of that. He has destroyed the value of the assets of this club. A manager who buys high (Antony et al), or sells low (Sancho) is not a good manager.
Even if Sancho is not good enough for Man Utd and should be sold, the handling by ETH was that of a really bad, petulant manager. I understand that some fans see the whole situation as a "manager vs players" war, and prefer to support the manager against the players. However, this is by definition just another failure of this bad manager. The manager and the players are not antagonists, they are members of the same team.
Again, in any business, not just football, a manager who creates situations "manager vs subordinates" is a bad manager, who is usually covering his own inadequacies. ETH is such a bad manager. I am afraid we will just lose another year with him, and he will leave the team in the worst state of the last 10 years.
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But he gave them a chance… which means he’s basically making them be what they are.ETH did not buy Garnacho and Mainoo. He did not create them. And he will probably damage them by overusing them.
Very few teams can afford £45-50m and 300k pw in wages. Who do you propose would buy him for that fee and salary?Should start there but between 45-50 million is the number that should get it over the line. A lot of teams could use his creativity and yes he is young. A team that would go for him would be one that could spend a decent amount.
Yes quite. Players aren't passive assets. They are employees, just like the manager, and should be held to expected standards just as the manager is.Sometimes good management requires setting standards and demanding responsibility. Especially involving assets that are on 375k a week and can‘t be arsed to be on time or follow instructions on the pitch.
Setting standards means sacking the manager who finishes 8th. ETH is the last person that I'd respect about "standards".Sometimes good management requires setting standards and demanding responsibility. Especially involving assets that are on 375k a week and can‘t be arsed to be on time or follow instructions on the pitch.
Of course they are not passive assets. As you say they are employees. In my professional work, I never respected a manager who did not respect me first. And I always respected everyone who worked under me. The manager sets the standards of respect, not the employees.Yes quite. Players aren't passive assets. They are employees, just like the manager, and should be held to expected standards just as the manager is.
God give it a rest.Setting standards means sacking the manager who finishes 8th. ETH is the last person that I'd respect about "standards".
ETH did not make anything. Garnacho and Mainoo made themselves, they'd be great players under any manager. Garnacho and Mainoo are what they are because of their talent and their hard work, not because of their manager (who is overusing them... which can lead to a serious injury at this age).But he gave them a chance… which means he’s basically making them be what they are.
Are you willing to say the exact words about the class of '92 and Sir Alex?ETH did not make anything. Garnacho and Mainoo made themselves, they'd be great players under any manager. Garnacho and Mainoo are what they are because of their talent and their hard work, not because of their manager (who is overusing them... which can lead to a serious injury at this age).
The only person who should be praised (perhaps) is the scout who brought them into Man Utd. But that was luck, too, you can hardly be certain about such a young player, he may become a Ronaldo, he may become a Januzaj.
There is no way back for Sancho at this point. He should be sold. And he will be sold at a huge loss because ETH is a bad manager and damaged his value.Some frosty people in here still wanting Sancho back eh.
Do you really believe that ETH is comparable to Sir Alex? Seriously?Are you willing to say the exact words about the class of '92 and Sir Alex?
I didn't say that.Do you really believe that ETH is comparable to Sir Alex? Seriously?
I guess pep over used Foden when he was 19/20 then. If your good enough, your old enough. Theirs no such thing as over using anyone. Their professional athletes. Should be capable of playing 30+ games a season. The younger you are, the more fitter and fresher you are, kids grow up wanting to be professional footballers because it’s what you love. If you love what you’re doing you don’t want it to end. If you want to go on about over using players then you need to look at the top end of players careers. Ronaldo and pepe for example. 39 and 41. Id say their being over used because their old and will be more worn out. ETH seen 2 talented youngsters and decided to give them a chance which they’ve earned by hard work like you said. And now they’re in the first team to stay.ETH did not make anything. Garnacho and Mainoo made themselves, they'd be great players under any manager. Garnacho and Mainoo are what they are because of their talent and their hard work, not because of their manager (who is overusing them... which can lead to a serious injury at this age).
The only person who should be praised (perhaps) is the scout who brought them into Man Utd. But that was luck, too, you can hardly be certain about such a young player, he may become a Ronaldo, he may become a Januzaj.
Sack the one that is trying to raise the standards; great plan. INEOS doesn‘t agree with you.Setting standards means sacking the manager who finishes 8th. ETH is the last person that I'd respect about "standards".
Finishing 8th is not raising the standards. It is our lowest position in the past 30 years.Sack the one that is trying to raise the standards; great plan. INEOS doesn‘t agree with you.
Did you not hear ? The longer a player isn’t involved in the starting 11 the better he gets.Some frosty people in here still wanting Sancho back eh.
I think this sums up why you have no idea .I have no idea why INEOS are keeping ETH. In my opinion, ETH has failed already,
I don't have a problem with your opinion about Ten Hag but I do find it strange that your metrics of success for him are seemingly very different to those for Sancho.Finishing 8th is not raising the standards. It is our lowest position in the past 30 years.
I have no idea why INEOS are keeping ETH. In my opinion, ETH has failed already, he will be sacked sooner or later, and he will leave the squad in the worst shape of the past decade. It will not be easy to get rid of the unstoppable Antony, Onana, and the rest of the deadwood that ETH has brought.
I have said it many times that Sancho is not United material and should be sold. However, I hold the manager to a higher standard. Sancho is just one of the many footballers we have. ETH is the manager, he is older, he is the leader.I don't have a problem with your opinion about Ten Hag but I do find it strange that your metrics of success for him are seemingly very different to those for Sancho.
Ten Hag, 2 years, 2 cups.
Sancho 3 years, 2 extended mid-season holidays, no cups. Well he did play 36 mins total in the league cup last year but...
Those are awful sources, whilst if you read Athletic articles about this it's clear that the players abused player power and basically undermined ETH.
I don't think so. Ronaldo couldn't accept being substituted and deserved to be sacked following his Piers Morgan interview. Varane couldn't be relied upon due to how prone he is to injury. Following several poor performances, Casemiro couldn't accept being benched for the FA Cup Final. Sancho is a waste of space.
In my opinion, "Player power" is not a thing.Those are awful sources, whilst if you read Athletic articles about this it's clear that the players abused player power and basically undermined ETH.
Everyone can accept everything. If you know how to approach them. But this requires man management skills. Something that ETH doesn't have.I don't think so. Ronaldo couldn't accept being substituted and deserved to be sacked following his Piers Morgan interview. Varane couldn't be relied upon due to how prone he is to injury. Following several poor performances, Casemiro couldn't accept being benched for the FA Cup Final. Sancho is a waste of space.
That's not true at all. Ronaldo was a brat.Everyone can accept everything. If you know how to approach them. But this requires man management skills. Something that ETH doesn't have.
https://archive.ph/7iaQ0In my opinion, "Player power" is not a thing.
And if you want more analysis, I watch football because I want to watch world class players.
I don't give a fart about some mediocre bald guy on the sidelines, who has the wrong tactics the whole year and can't even understand why it is wrong even after everyone explains it to him.
Ronaldo wasn't willing to do any pressing out of possession under both ETH and Rangnick as he believed that's not necessary and a useless thing for him to do. How can you defend that? Pep would throw him out the door after the first time he does that. Or Klopp. Or Arteta.Everyone can accept everything. If you know how to approach them. But this requires man management skills. Something that ETH doesn't have.
Let's test that theory .Everyone can accept everything. If you know how to approach them. But this requires man management skills. Something that ETH doesn't have.