Kepa's still a Chelsea player. He's on loan to Madrid because Courtois got injured and Kepa wanted to go. Pretty sure he was gonna be competing with Sanchez to be their starter. Sanchez has been replaced as their starter so Kepa would have likely won out if he'd stayed.
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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Balanced post yeah. Agreed.
Was casemiros red card not because of onanas feck up?
It was Lindelof who caused that whole thing by needlessly passing back to Onana who was under pressure so had to play it quickly and ended up giving it away, no one forced Casemiro to stupidly go flying in to the back of the attacker and bring him down, he made that decision himself.
Just bring the lad from Leverkusen back
I'd honestly give him another season -
Remember David De Gea was absolutely dreadful in the first half of the season of his first season, and got dropped for Anders Lindegaard in some of the biggest games.
Not saying he will get to that level, but give him an opportunity.
Remember David De Gea was absolutely dreadful in the first half of the season of his first season, and got dropped for Anders Lindegaard in some of the biggest games.
Not saying he will get to that level, but give him an opportunity.
Sure, but they also tried Mendy in between as well.
He'll be fine once he has a defence that suits his game and not the fleet of aging oil tankers the Glazers bought.
Look for free signings or cheaper option. There are many GKs good with their feet and decent in shot savings. Arsenal got one last season. We should try to sell him if we have buyer. We can't have a GK we will shit ourselves everytime we face a shot.
Good post. Stats means feck all. Shots saved and etc didn't factored in the quality of shots. The reality is Onana saved a lot of shots straight at him. Any shots that is a little further away from him, bang!How can you watch Onana stink up the place for the entire season yet pull up statistics and tell me how he has prevented 5 more goals than he should have, and that with a straight face? There’s a 15 minute blooper reel of his cock ups and he has let 80 goals past him. And you need evidence
And yes average was indeed better than some of the crap being served last year by the likes of Antony, Weghorst, Eriksen, Casemiro, Fred and others. We scored 58 goals last year in the PL.
Eyes test? To me, the eyes test he is like an outfield player playing as GK with a bit of ability for shot stopping. His basics are awful. Many had said, even his mnay shots stopping were back to dangerous position.
Well, because people were also claiming de gea got us out of europa and FA cup final last year. Don't want any hypocrisy here do we
Onana simply doesn't fill anyone with any sort of confidence in between the posts.
He doesn't have a long reach, can't save his near post and any save he make seems to me straight at him.
It's amazing how some people here are making him out to be better than what he is.
I blame the club from prioritising a GK last summer when our issue was that we couldn't score.
He doesn't have a long reach, can't save his near post and any save he make seems to me straight at him.
It's amazing how some people here are making him out to be better than what he is.
I blame the club from prioritising a GK last summer when our issue was that we couldn't score.
Probably because they knew they could fleece us given the player's ETH weird obsession with his ex-players.
I’d love to be positive….but how did we not assess his shot-stopping before moving for him? It can’t have got so bad overnight. Did he not have to face shots in Italy?
De Gea was 20 when he joined. Onana was 27.
Doing it in Eredivisie and Serie A are different. You are provided with much more time. Hence, his attributes of distribution of the ball with his feet looks more impressive. He was also playing for teams that faced less shots in their league Ajax and Inter.
In PL, the intensity is much higher, playing for Man Utd also means more shots at you. This is the problem when we don't have best in class scouting and recruitment team to properly evaluate a player. See Antony. See Casemeiro. See Licha (height& physicality).
I said right out the outset - and before when one paper linked us to him - that he wasn't even close to being good enough. one clown must have seen a show reel from the game against City... honestly, the guy isn't even an upgrade of DDG, who was very poor in his final 2-3 years. Jack Butland would have been a better bet, as would Tim Krul and Robin Olsen and Dubravka let alone the likes of Emy Martinez
Onana this season far better than De Gea's last season in every aspect.
Honest answer guys; if you were to get rid one of Onana or Mount for the same price we bought them last summer who goes?
I know I’d rid Mount for half the price we bought him, that tells me Obama can be manageable until another summer except if a good deal is available to be made .
I knew he wasn’t that great when we wanted to bring him in but he has not been able to show the other qualities he is good at like playing out from the back because of our poor set up.
Anyways better of a bad bunch is not enough, bad buys all around
I know I’d rid Mount for half the price we bought him, that tells me Obama can be manageable until another summer except if a good deal is available to be made .
I knew he wasn’t that great when we wanted to bring him in but he has not been able to show the other qualities he is good at like playing out from the back because of our poor set up.
Anyways better of a bad bunch is not enough, bad buys all around
This season yes. But that's an outlier and shouldn't be the case. No scout could have taken into consideration how terrible United's setup would be this season.
What has playing systems got do with a how a goalie performs between the sticks? Whatever system we deploy wouldn't change Onana. He lacks basic GK qualities. For example: positioning, reflexes, judgement, technique etc.
Apparently there are people on here who will not realise Onana is bobbins.
We've conceded 81 goals this season. I had a look and he made what I'd consider a big blunder in 19 of them. Obvious mistake or most other keepers are saving.
Disagree. Yes he’s not the best shot stopper but his strength is playing out from the back. The problem is we don’t have a team, particularly the back 4, that can do that. Plus he’s having relegation side levels of shots being fired at him. We need to sort out the back 4 and CM in front of him.
De Gea always looked bad playing out from the back but now you can see why. We need to shift the likes of Maguire, Lindelof, Wan Bissaka and bring in ball playing defenders akin to Martinez.
De Gea always looked bad playing out from the back but now you can see why. We need to shift the likes of Maguire, Lindelof, Wan Bissaka and bring in ball playing defenders akin to Martinez.
Onana by a country mile. Mount is better than he has seemed this season, especially as he has been injured. Onana has been operating about at his best and is obviously nowhere near good enough.
It just amazes me when posters talk up players like Onana and Antony and how they will transform our team and then they scatter like cockroaches when they actually come to the club and reality bites.
What was the percentage of posters that wanted Erik in as he was a tactical genius and now when he is getting hammered the same happens again.
Like Mike Tyson said...everyone has a plan and then they get hit
What was the percentage of posters that wanted Erik in as he was a tactical genius and now when he is getting hammered the same happens again.
Like Mike Tyson said...everyone has a plan and then they get hit
Neither should have been bought. Many many of us here said it before it happened.
It has been two seasons Mount has not been fit and when he plays he has been bang poor, it is more likely this will be the trend and he is on far more massive wages. I will sell easily. I think the myth of Mount is better than the reality
I also think that when it comes to goalkeepers the market is a bit strange you can easily replace your goalkeeper with similar quality for cheap, if you are opportunistic. That's how the likes of Martinez, Sommer, Szczesny, Navas, Maignan and many others moved to their current clubs for cheap, the same was true for Van der Sar. Pretty much every seasons there is a handful of good goalkeepers that are available for relatively cheap because they are in a bad situation.
Onana.
Simply because a solid keeper is as important as goal scoring striker in a team. I have seen the period between Big Pete and Vdv and it wasn't pretty. We need a very good GK to become a good team. The word is used lightly but Onana seriously is a clown. A keeper like him can never inspire any confidence in your defense and on top I think his technique is fundamentally flawed. His much vaunted ball playing skills are also nothing special.
Mount most likely will go down as a write-off too. The plus side with him is that he can be a good squad player if he can stay fit. Another added advantage is that he is homegrown.
Lets just wait and see how Onana does next season with a proper defence and midfield in front of him instead of writing him off for struggling while playing without a defence or midfield, like I said previously there is no goalkeeper in the world that wouldnt struggle with no defence or midfield in front of them.
It'll be interesting to see how his footwork and distribution is when he actually has players to distribute too instead of Rashford who is too lazy to run and Hojlund who is always in the wrong place.
It'll be interesting to see how his footwork and distribution is when he actually has players to distribute too instead of Rashford who is too lazy to run and Hojlund who is always in the wrong place.
It determines which qualities are more or less important for a goalie. Onana is not the best shot stopper, we agree on this. Behind the current setup (lack of midfield, defence allows a lot of shots at the goal) United would need a player that is the best shot stopper in the world and Onana surely isn't that. But I think noone expected that this was being the case when he was signed, actually his qualities on the ball should have been a piece of the puzzle to make United more comfortable and dominant on the ball which would reduce the amount of shots faced and therefore more or less mask his weaknesses. The opposite happened.
This is likely to be a false interpretation of data.
It should be layered on with the number of goal actions that each of them faced or at least some additional conext aronud those measurements.
The defence in front now obviously are letting more balls through which will lead to an increase in numbers in many of these measurements.
De Gea could also have played a role in organising a defence such that he had to do much less passing, and take less def actions. Obviously shot stopping Onana trumps De Gea given how the defence pretty much lets opposition take potshots.
This data comparison in no way shows that Onana is far better as a goalkeeper.
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De Gea kept 16 clean sheets in the league last year.
Onana has 8.
Tell me again about stats, and which ones actually matter.
Just clean sheets might be the worst stat to judge goalkeepers by.
A goalkeeper with a bad defense could make 15 world class saves and stop 15 certain goals but still concede. A bad goalkeeper could have Rio and Vidic in front of him and make one basic save and have a clean sheet. Who is the better goalkeeper?
Just a prime example of any stat can mean anything depending on what you want to prove or make. That goes for saying he’s one of the best shot stoppers in the league or DDG was better at long passing
Agreed, almost as bad as save percentage.
No he hasn't. Onana has not been doing much of anything with claiming aerial balls. In fact he's punched a player twice and only conceded a penalty once that way.
Onana this season far better than De Gea's last season in every aspect.
He has more passes but his percentage is not significantly higher. Have we scored more goals? Have we conceded less? Have his long balls helped us in any way? Nope.
Some of those stats aren't jus the goalkeeper. If you have more to do (more shot stopping and more defensive actions) that's not a positive. That's a sign of a worse defense, which this year's has been, especially in the 2nd half of the season.
Now where are the stats for mistakes directly leading to goals? Where are the stats for shots saved into a dangerous area? I'm not even going to count the passing out which has cost us red cards/goals/opportunity for the attackers because that's a tactical setup which invites those kind of mistakes. Only count goals like the 6 he cost us in the CL this season.