They could challenge this year. But the next two windows they will probably spend 250m+ upgrading the defence and that should see thrm back into another cycle of success/challenging.
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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We're paying 70+ m for a striker who doesn't even have 1 good season in weaker league. It's hard to take high moral ground on this.
Yep, exactly. Also, if we assume that our new and older players will be shit and Liverpool's new and older players will be world class then they'll have a significantly better team than us this season. It's difficult to be positive when the worst case scenario I've just made up in my head is a possibility.
Generational talent 
Another term absolutely overused and butchered by this place. He’s a potentially great player and I’d have love him here, but the money for a defensive player is grim and I hate it a lot.
Another term absolutely overused and butchered by this place. He’s a potentially great player and I’d have love him here, but the money for a defensive player is grim and I hate it a lot.Interesting how no one gave a shit when he was going to sign for Chelsea, but when he is about to sign for Liverpool, he is a generational talent who is as good as Casemiro, Kanté and Xavi rolled into the finest player the world has ever seen and will completely transform their game. Absolute bedwetters.
£110m is insane amount of money and we were never going to go for him at this price, even disregarding the fact he's never played for Ajax or in Eredivisie which probably makes him a less likely target anyway.
We should have however brought him when we were heavily linked before his Brighton transfer, it's the type of business we almost never do (picking up players before they go to Europe and their price double, or goes six times up as is the case here).
We should have however brought him when we were heavily linked before his Brighton transfer, it's the type of business we almost never do (picking up players before they go to Europe and their price double, or goes six times up as is the case here).
If he’s as good as he potentially could be, he doesn’t stay that long. He’s already shown, he’s happy to strop and sulk to move to a place that pays more.
I really can't take this thread seriously with posts like this. Because scousers went and paid 100m+ on some player that had 1 decent season in the league it somehow makes what we've done so far shite. Give me a break.
About four years ago that was Rice, after that it was Bellingham, now it’s Caceido. Madrid supposedly had their midfield sorted for the next decade when splashing out 100m on Tchouaméni.
Meanwhile City signed Rodri and have dominated while Liverpool were a close second with Fabinho as the DM.
This get him now or miss out for the next x amount of years never pans out that way and
I completely disagree with your comparison to Casemiro. If I could I’d place a bet that we would get longer out of Casemiro than Liverpool would Caceido who has agreed terms with 3 different teams within the last 7 months.
I haven't seen enough of Caicedo to be fair but he's seemed like a decent player. To be honest the likes of Rice and Caicedo shouldn't be going for fees anywhere close to 100m, never mind in excess of it. What would Salah, De Bruyne, Haaland, Bruno et al be worth now?
Also a Liverpool fan made a good point to me this morning. Why would you pull out of the Bellingham chase because of the costs involved and then turn around and break the British transfer record for Caicedo - who is clearly not on the same level, to be fair not many are.
Also a Liverpool fan made a good point to me this morning. Why would you pull out of the Bellingham chase because of the costs involved and then turn around and break the British transfer record for Caicedo - who is clearly not on the same level, to be fair not many are.
You're definitely flapping though.
How long have we been searching for a DM? If it wasn't for a bit of luck with Casemiro deciding he wants to leave Madrid, there's a chance we still wouldn't have one. I hope you are right but just as well next season more strikers might be available than now. We made a decision and need to stick with it.
It's a PL record breaking transfer fee for a CDM (!) who does not contribute offensively and is not a goal threat either. I'd love for him to replace Casemiro eventually, but that fee is madness. £70m vs £110m isn't nothing.
Don’t get your panties twisted all I mentioned like everyone else it’s an insane amount of money. Even said if that will get them a trophy or back in top 4 will be money well spent.
I'm talking from experience, so please take this advice; sniffing petrol and drinking Toilet Duck first thing in the morning is a really bad idea.
I don’t think they can sustain the spending needed though. Reason they are outlaying so much this window in my opinion is FSG aren’t too dissimilar to the Glazers and they will sanction heavy spending as getting back into the CL is vital. There’s a lot of ‘will he fulfil his potential’ now in that team and it’s only logical to think some of the younger crop will flop (some will be good). Despite my dislike for him I rate Klopp very highly, he’s proven he can beat a vastly better funded team when backed in consecutive windows but I think they’re at least a season off.
Wasn't really being serious.This narrative.
But definitely we were not spending £110m on him, ever.
Eh to me this one is obvious, he wanted Real. Liverpool fans can comfort themselves with that sort of talk if they want.
I don't think this is something clubs worry about it too much. If he's highly rated after 2 seasons then Liverpool did well to get him and will easily recoup the money. What's the problem really?
I love how everyone kicks up a fuss when united spend big on a 40 YO Casemiro and a Brazilian unknown Antony.
But when Liverpool break the British record on Djemba Djemba it’s the best thing ever.
But when Liverpool break the British record on Djemba Djemba it’s the best thing ever.
What does that even mean?
Excellent player who fits exactly what they need, but so was Naby Keita. I'd imagine Keita playing in that Brighton team pre Liverpool move would have also stood out.
Would prefer him not to go there but at least they have over paid.
Would prefer him not to go there but at least they have over paid.
Wasn't really being serious.
But definitely we were not spending £110m on him, ever.
Good!
and honestly im glad, it’s a grim price.
Although we’ll happily spend that sort of fee once we finally have new owners…..
Best thing about this deal is that Brighton will pluck a better replacement straight out of the Amazon for around £2m.
I agree, but you said he’d stay years and years?
Good!
and honestly im glad, it’s a grim price.
Although we’ll happily spend that sort of fee once we finally have new owners…..
I don't think we should, not in our current position anyway. Casemiro should be good for another 2-3 seasons, we have Mainoo who may be able to step up soon, and I'd rather see us buy a cheaper young midfielder that we could develop (basically Caicedo 2 years ago) while Casemiro is still a guaranteed starter. I don't think a midfield of Casemiro and Caicedo would work that well anyway.
It's definitely a regret that we had been linked heavily to this exact player before Brighton got him and even on here we had people wanting us to get him straight from South America.
It’s definitely a “panic” purchase in a way, their defence is ropey for the style they wish to play. Virgil and co need better protection as they are not the same unit that can defend all by themselves. But this was obvious for some time and the same defensive frailties are there if Caicedo is missing or not in the lineup.
will work out as a good signing, but the fee is absurd. Could have used the fee involved for a new CB and a DM (Lavia)
will work out as a good signing, but the fee is absurd. Could have used the fee involved for a new CB and a DM (Lavia)
Possibly because Caicedo is prepared to join them and Bellingham wasn't?
Also the overall cost of Caicedo will likely be much lower than the overall cost of Bellingham.
Agreed. This season has already turned into a disaster.
Well yes, obviously, but it was a very strange tactic to declare they wouldn't be pursuing Bellingham by playing the we don't have enough money card and then to buy an inferior player at a higher cost.
Truly amazing to see there's still posters who still haven't learnt lessons from the Woodward era
Caicedo can potentially become a very good player but Liverpool are getting rinsed here.
It’s wild the cost of midfielders now. Enzo, Rice, Caicedo all look like good players with lots of growth still to come but the fact that you have to pay over a 100 mil for them is crazy. Bellingham I can somewhat understand as generally he looks cut from a different cloth compared to those 3 in terms of trajectory.
Probably going to take a while to get my head round these fees. Anyway from what I’ve seen looked a decent player if Pool go on to win things over the next 4 years and he is a part in that success who cares about the price.
Probably going to take a while to get my head round these fees. Anyway from what I’ve seen looked a decent player if Pool go on to win things over the next 4 years and he is a part in that success who cares about the price.
And has retrospectively made last season worse.
Man..., the underrating of DM is still there, even though big teams like us, Madrid, Arsenal, and Chelsea/Liverpool are willing to spend fortune for a good DM.
And fee 70m for Hojlund is as madness as 110m for Caicedo.
I guess they can average out the MacAllister price here so it's like 70m each, still mental
It’s crazy how Utd and Liverpool fans are polar opposites. When Utd sign a player he is suddenly a national league level talent in the scousers eyes but when it’s the other way around Utd fans label him the next greatest ever.
Haha. He is going to be a young player like Lingard at 29.
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