Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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TBF Kante had one good season for Leicester before joining Chelsea, granted it was a season that was better than what Brighton or Caicedo delivered this season but the guy is a top talent, there's a reason he was already known as a top prospect before he even went to Europe. This isn't some flash in the pan type player.

Gutted as I thought he would've been a great fit with us.

Yes and then he went to Chelsea and went on to win the world cup and the Champions League and another Premier League title. All while being one of the best players in the side (usually THE best).

Utterly insulting to even utter Caicedo in the same breath right now. Let him go on and do half of what Kante did then maybe.
 
I think this transfer bears thinking about carefully. Yes it sucks seeing a quality player go to a rival, but the real question is where did the money come from? Only a week ago they were haggling over 5 mil for Lavia. My prediction is that this is going to have a significant knock-on effect on their finances in the coming years. Liverpool barely signed anyone for two years after Van Dijk and Allison, and I think this could be the same.
 
Can he back that up this year though,has looked a bit off it in pre season but that can happen

I thought he looked like a man possessed against Lens personally.

I also wouldn't judge any performances from pre season matches too much. Casemiro is a world class holding midfielder, there is nothing to indicate that has changed.
 
110 million pounds!!

My god pool have lost the plot after losing their midfield to Saudi. It's a crazy amount of money and not nearly worth it.

It's good to know that we are hardly alone in the overpaying department
 
110 million pounds!!

My god pool have lost the plot after losing their midfield to Saudi. It's a crazy amount of money and not nearly worth it.

It's good to know that we are hardly alone in the overpaying department
It's nothing like overpaying. If he elevate them to pl and cl contenders and win any of them in next season's it's money well spent.

Though they are not in cl this season they will go for pl. So pl and cl next season not bad for them I suppose.
 
It's nothing like overpaying. If he elevate them to pl and cl contenders and win any of them in next season's it's money well spent.

Though they are not in cl this season they will go for pl. So pl and cl next season not bad for them I suppose.
Didn’t know a 21 year old DM is apparently going to elevate them to win / contend for all the major trophies. You’d think they’ve signed 21 year old Messi instead.
 
Id go for him before Id go for the Sofyan. Just personal preference for me.

We should meet Southampton's asking price which is £50m I believe,worrying thing is we supposedly baulked at Onana's price
 
Exactly. 2 years ago the unmissable signings were Tchou and Camavinga, all of a sudden Caicedo popped up, same with Enzo.

There will always be talented players who will be available.

The only thing I'll say is all 4 you mentioned are fantastic players, any of whom I'd have loved in our midfield.

We'll see how we do but I do wish we had that controlling type midfield.

But you're right there are always great players.
 
Didn’t know a 21 year old DM is apparently going to elevate them to win / contend for all the major trophies. You’d think they’ve signed 21 year old Messi instead.
No I don't think messi will elevate them much. But caicedo could. They are paying top pounds for what they needed. That's always give you the cushion to spend extra 20-30 mn. It's not a sure thing in football of course.
 
The price is higher than I predicted (£85m - for which I was laughed at and told £35m was more realistic, despite having turned down £70m in January).

The alleged price is very high. But once again, being the boring contract solicitor amongst a bunch of fans, close examination of any contract is needed.

In a Manchester United football forum, I don’t expect much impartiality from any quarter, but having personally seen this player run practically every game he has played for us live in perso - home and away - there is no question of his ability.

I repeat what I’ve said over and over again. The club - Brighton in this case - never set a price.

Speaking as a fan, we have lost one of the greatest players we’ve ever had. Working in a good team with a phenomenal ownership, backroom staff and - now - coach, may have inflated his value.

But as a Brighton fan I couldn’t be prouder of how Tony Bloom has taken our struggling League One club into a beautiful new stadium, European football for the first time ever, and finishing 6th in the Premier League against all odds.

I am certain some of that £110m will go towards paying off Mr Bloom’s personal (interest free) debts to the club, and some will be eventually invested in utilising and developing the next handful of huge money talents.

Quick note: Simon Adingra - I’ll be quoting this comment in January when the rumours circulate of interest and a media reported value of £50m+.
 
Crazy fee but at the same time, that's the position they lacked and he has massive potential and is already a fantastic player and will be the guy there for them for the next 5+ years, however long he stays, and if he ever leaves it'll be for huge money too and to a bigger club. For them it was more if a "just get it done" deal which they did. Sucks. Game changer for their season IMO.
 
Wonder what Liverpool have seen that made them decide £110m on Caceido was a better deal than £50m for Lavia. Crazy sums.
Lavia is potential and defensively isn't close to caicedo, caicedo is already fantastic while only being 21. You get a sure thing with absolute world class potential with caicedo, with lavia you get a guy you have to mold into being the DM which might not quite work out.
 
110M is alot, but Liverpool has a glaring hole in DM/CM, Keita left on free, and with Henderson & Fabinho going to Saudi, that basically leaves them with only MacAllister & Alcantara as the only CMs good enough to be in a starting XI, Szoboszlai & Elliot are more of an attacking Mids, Jones didn't show enough to be a starting X1 quality, and Trent isn't tested in CM position that long, they will need at least one more player , with all that, i am still surprised to see them dunk 110m on one player, albeit a quality one, but still a lot of dough in one basket.
 
Remember when he was almost certain to join us at one point for £3m. Sigh
 
I think this transfer bears thinking about carefully. Yes it sucks seeing a quality player go to a rival, but the real question is where did the money come from? Only a week ago they were haggling over 5 mil for Lavia. My prediction is that this is going to have a significant knock-on effect on their finances in the coming years. Liverpool barely signed anyone for two years after Van Dijk and Allison, and I think this could be the same.

They've signed a number of expensive players since VVD and Allison. They literally spunked big money for a back up striker in Nunez just last summer.
 
A DM is never worth 110 million, the market has gone crazy!
Nah. That's an old point of view. A player who is a transformative signing for your team with world class potential at a young age is worth whatever you are willing to pay for them. Caicedo is the guy for them for possibly 10 years. It was a must sign for them and transforms them. DM, CB, attacker, whatever. A DM is among the most important positions in modern football and Caicedo is a rare level talent having his defensive ability, positioning, ability on the ball, and they needed someone to balance them.
 
They've signed a number of expensive players since VVD and Allison. They literally spunked big money for a back up striker in Nunez just last summer.
That's true but it took 2 years to build back up the funds to do so. For the first two summers after Allison they signed pretty much no-one.
 
A DM is never worth 110 million, the market has gone crazy!

Indeed, Rice 105, Caicedo 110, Enzo 103, Jude 103, all DMs or CMs, Gvardiol 90m

no wonder we pay a lot for attackers like Antony or Hojlund, imagine they were very prolific before we got them? we might had to pay a lot more.
 
Never rated him. Obviously overrated. Heard rumors he goes around kicking and chasing the homeless as part of his training.
 
Liverpool seems quite unbalanced before the start of the season.

Caicedo will be a good signing no doubt, if full strength they seem quite the unit, but
They seem so heavy in attack, very light in midfield, defence has more or less been suspect.

They seem to have put all chips in the Caicedo basket, so not expecting any more quality signings for them.

Expecting a few 7-0 matches for them, but also some 7-2 matches like against Aston Villa
 
The price is higher than I predicted (£85m - for which I was laughed at and told £35m was more realistic, despite having turned down £70m in January).

The alleged price is very high. But once again, being the boring contract solicitor amongst a bunch of fans, close examination of any contract is needed.

In a Manchester United football forum, I don’t expect much impartiality from any quarter, but having personally seen this player run practically every game he has played for us live in perso - home and away - there is no question of his ability.

I repeat what I’ve said over and over again. The club - Brighton in this case - never set a price.

Speaking as a fan, we have lost one of the greatest players we’ve ever had. Working in a good team with a phenomenal ownership, backroom staff and - now - coach, may have inflated his value.

But as a Brighton fan I couldn’t be prouder of how Tony Bloom has taken our struggling League One club into a beautiful new stadium, European football for the first time ever, and finishing 6th in the Premier League against all odds.

I am certain some of that £110m will go towards paying off Mr Bloom’s personal (interest free) debts to the club, and some will be eventually invested in utilising and developing the next handful of huge money talents.

Quick note: Simon Adingra - I’ll be quoting this comment in January when the rumours circulate of interest and a media reported value of £50m+.

Why is impartiality not expected on ManUtd forum about Brighton or their players? Are we rivals now?

Also like I said yesterday, there was news in the media that Brighton wants fee close to what Rice was sold to, Rice was 105 million and Caicedo is 110 million. So the reported news was spot on, no club release official statement saying they are looking for x million, it is always done via media and Brighton are no different.
 
Think there is a wee bit of overrating here... They'll be lucky if he can be like prime Fabinho, who cost less than half of that.
 
Tchoumeni is worth £110m, Caceido isn't.

Even though this makes things harder for Pochettino to get a champion league place, now the pressure won't be on him to be competitive after you have all other top six team paying £70m plus for players, while his highest purchase this summer was £45m for a center back.

Best thing Pochettino and chelsea could do is just get Tchoumeni maybe next year, as I don't believe he is going anywhere at the moment.

Both lavia and Adam's is good enough for an europa league spot. That is still better than the 12th position they finished last season.
 
The only thing I'll say is all 4 you mentioned are fantastic players, any of whom I'd have loved in our midfield.

We'll see how we do but I do wish we had that controlling type midfield.

But you're right there are always great players.

Yeah that's the point. Just couple of years ago, only 2 of them were must sign players.

There will always be good players available, just have to scout and sign before other club does.
 
It’s also worth putting to bed this “world class potential” stuff. He is already playing at a world class level, just not in a world class team or with the exposure that provides to the public. The people who know see it, hence the fee.

The guy doesn’t need developing. He needs dropping into a team and system, learning it, then continuing to be world class.

If he leads his new team to glory, it isn’t because the coach “developed” him to that level. He’s already at that level, which is why they paid the fee.

What bidding clubs saw was a world class, ready made, long-term answer for a specific role within their first XI.
 
Whatever the merits of this transfer for Liverpool, and time will tell, there's n denying the utter hypocrisy of Jurgen Klopp, who said this after United brought Pogba back for silly money:

“The day that spending £100m is football, I'm not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. That is how everybody in football understands it. You always want to have the best, but building the group is necessary to be successful. If you bring one player in for £100m and he gets injured, then it all goes through the chimney. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
 
Helps Liverpool that 2/3 of their new midfielders have played together before, much easier for them to bed in

I must say this is a great transfer, I thought Liverpool could be in trouble this season but suddenly they’re looking good
 
Excellent point. I thought Lavia did business last season while working with a bunch a garbage bags. How is Caceido worth double? Not for me.

Compared those stat between two players, Lavia was a ball destroyer only and Caceido was good at passing and defence last season. Even in defensive stat, they have similar number on those aspects

https://fbref.com/en/players/ecad9aa5/scout/365_m1/Romeo-Lavia-Scouting-Report
https://fbref.com/en/players/16264a81/scout/365_m1/Moises-Caicedo-Scouting-Report
 
The price is higher than I predicted (£85m - for which I was laughed at and told £35m was more realistic, despite having turned down £70m in January).

The alleged price is very high. But once again, being the boring contract solicitor amongst a bunch of fans, close examination of any contract is needed.

In a Manchester United football forum, I don’t expect much impartiality from any quarter, but having personally seen this player run practically every game he has played for us live in perso - home and away - there is no question of his ability.

I repeat what I’ve said over and over again. The club - Brighton in this case - never set a price.

Speaking as a fan, we have lost one of the greatest players we’ve ever had. Working in a good team with a phenomenal ownership, backroom staff and - now - coach, may have inflated his value.

But as a Brighton fan I couldn’t be prouder of how Tony Bloom has taken our struggling League One club into a beautiful new stadium, European football for the first time ever, and finishing 6th in the Premier League against all odds.

I am certain some of that £110m will go towards paying off Mr Bloom’s personal (interest free) debts to the club, and some will be eventually invested in utilising and developing the next handful of huge money talents.

Quick note: Simon Adingra - I’ll be quoting this comment in January when the rumours circulate of interest and a media reported value of £50m+.
Adingra looks absolutely electric. But doesn’t he play the same position as Mitoma?
 
How come I haven’t seen a single report of the fee converted in euros? Is that just reserved for our transfers to further inflate the numbers?
 
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