£100m + £5m. Yikes.
Declan Rice | signs for arsenal
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We used to lose out when we were winning too.
Think the plan is Havertz replaces Xhakha and Rice would start over Partey. Rice is very important for the Rice - Havertz - Odegaard midfield to work. And Zinchenko - Timber/White will help in the buildup phaseGreat news for the Arsenal fans in here, the ones who were absolutely certain he was joining almost had egg on their face
To be fair I think it's a great signing, Arsenal don't need a lot, they need depth and Rice will relegate Xhaka to the bench and add quality/depth.
Havertz and probably Timber too, they gotta be up there again next season surely? That's the pressure they have to get used to.
Good deal for Arsenal and Rice. They got a player, captain material for the next 10 years.
Not sure we lost out to domestic rivals as routinely as City do. We rarely do it now!
Thank God, perhaps we can finally move on. If City won't be coming in with another bid, West Ham will have to take our offer instead of squabbling over the payment structure.
So eni aluko was right
Please buy Maguire with some of that money. We'll throw in discounts on McTominay and VDB too.
West Ham have played a blinder here.
Brexit-Arsenal?
Remember the shit ManUtd got for signing 2 english players, wonder when they will be called Brexit London club.
Remember the shit ManUtd got for signing 2 english players, wonder when they will be called Brexit London club.
Eni Aluko vindicated? 
Arsenal are spending a shit ton yet again but it barely gets dwelled upon by the press.
Might be the best business I have seen since Leicester fleeced us for Maguire.
I hate how well run City are in terms of transfers. For all the money they have, they are never involved in silly bidding wars. They offer what they think is best and if its not accepted they move on.
Forgetting the fee and looking surely at the signing, I think this is an excellent signing for Arsenal.
I would have loved United to get him. But given that Arsenal are (surely) spending their whole transfer budget on him shows how important he will be to them. I don't think United could build a team around him.
I would have loved United to get him. But given that Arsenal are (surely) spending their whole transfer budget on him shows how important he will be to them. I don't think United could build a team around him.
There should be more about the money spent on Havertz, but it's hardly a surprise that the press aren't mocking or questioning Arsenal when they're signing one of the counties best midfielders.
I´m sure most clubs work like that, no?
Weird, right? They always seem to avoid scrutiny about their massive spending whilst Chelsea/City/United don’t.
I think that should change now, though. Perhaps it’s because they never really went above ~£50m for any one player except for Pepe. Now they’ve joined the rest of the big PL clubs and are spending mega money on players.
Agree, although I’m sure we’d see a different stance if they were 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
Which they'll probably exercise but Chelsea's owner being stupid doesn't mean the entire market has to follow. Rice isn't worth more than £40m, not for a player in his position that does what he does. These evaluations are crazy for a player that's available for sale.
If the rumours are to be believed, Arteta has about £200mil to spend this summer, £165 mil of which he'd already have spent on Rice and Havertz. We're supposedly in advanced talks for Timber too (at about £40mil mark) so that will probably be that, unless we make any significant sales (eg Balogun could go for about £30mil).
Hopefully West Ham accept this offer then send us £80m for McTomminay and Maguire.
I think I praise them more because they have a lot of money to spend if they wanted to. I cant think of many transfers were they over spent or over paid. Remember they were in for Sanchez with us, even VVD they thought it was too expensive (incorrectly in hindsight)
It's a lot easier when you're already top of the pile. They spent silly money on certain players at times to claw their way there.
Now that they're there and so dominant they can afford to be more circumspect. They don't actually need Rice at all, I honestly don't see how he's any better than what they already have. They can just wait until the next big prospect pops up.
If they desperately needed Rice they'd blow Arsenal out of the water.
There is no way Rice - who is probably future England captain - would go for £40mil in today's market.
Ah okay! That's a decent lineup to be fair, with some solid depth.
They literally have 2 top 4 level players for every position, they don't need to do that. When they really need someone, the transfer is magically so easy...
How is Rice a future England captain? And if that's the only thing pushing up his value then there's major issues with that valuation of over £100mIt's extremely weird, I can't explain it.
How isn't he? Who would you say is likely instead. It looks like a forgone conclusion to me. The price for him is mad, but it's far from a surprise, and big money has been spent on worse.
They move on when the player tells them they don’t want to join City.
I'd be willing to bet a great deal of money that the future England captain is Bellingham, if not him then John Stones. Rice will be in and out of the England squad over his entire career so I doubt he'll ever be regular enough to be captain.
He's a good player but in a normal transfer market he'd be worth probably half what they're paying. It's crazy money - which doesn't ultimately matter with regards to him (I've always found it strange when players are held up against their transfer fees), but more the impact on their summer budget when they really need strengthening in several positions.
Yeah, that is fair, they seem very sensible most times.
Even tough i think it is hard to be too impressed since there is so much smoke about breaking rules and payments on the side and what not.
According to Southgate, he is in the conversation. He is captain of West Ham currently.
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/03/08/gareth-southgate-considering-major-declan-rice-decision/
Of course it's not the only thing pushing the price up - he's English, of perfect age (24 with his best years ahead of him), already an experienced international and proven in the PL. He is one of the best midfielders in the league. I think his fair valuation in today's market would be £60-70mil mark. We are overpaying, there's no doubt about it and we've given our "take it or leave it" offer. But Arteta seems desperate for him and sees him as a leader to build the team around.
In and out? Who pushes him out of central midfield?
Surely Bellingham and Rice is the midfield partnership long term (maybe with a 3rd player in there).
If Caceido after a single full season costs more than 85 million then what’s so surprising about Rice costing above that when this is his 3rd good season when he outcome the Fans Caceido’s of the previous season such as Ndidi, Ndombele & the Brighton lad Bissouma?
Rice isn’t worth 100 mil but no one is - not even Caceido at a few million less.
Since being eligible for England has Rice ever been left out of the England squad?
Great signing for sure if we sort out these supposed finer details - one of the best midfielders in the league, perfect age (peak ahead of him), British, a leader. It's still mad money though.Great news for the Arsenal fans in here, the ones who were absolutely certain he was joining almost had egg on their face
To be fair I think it's a great signing, Arsenal don't need a lot, they need depth and Rice will relegate Xhaka to the bench and add quality/depth.
Havertz and probably Timber too, they gotta be up there again next season surely? That's the pressure they have to get used to.
If we pull this off, along with Timber and Havertz (plus another midfielder if Partey takes the Saudi money, and who could blame him?) then we definitely cannot be upset with how the KSE group have supported Arteta. We have had significant investment over the last few years.
I've come around completely with the Kreonke's. Being (simply coincidentally) a long time fan of the Denver Nuggets I have been lumped with them for years. But listening to Josh in particular over the last few years has given me confidence in their vision.
Now they're running hot with the LA Rams, Denver Avalanche and Denver Nuggets all winning their respective championships over the last 18 months. I think it shows that either they're lucky or are running their clubs the right way over the last few years (yes I acknowledge that they threw everything at the NFL Championship and will probably be paying for it for years, but they won, so it paid off).
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