Yep. People keep talking about hardcore fans. Fans who go to the matches. Who have been supporting the club for many decades.
Here's the view of one, whose thoughts I share:
https://www.youtube.com/live/NsBi0CpbfTs?feature=share
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Yep. People keep talking about hardcore fans. Fans who go to the matches. Who have been supporting the club for many decades.
Here's the view of one, whose thoughts I share:
https://www.youtube.com/live/NsBi0CpbfTs?feature=share
Big yikes that the debt stays on. That is not typical for a football club and for me, any new owner need to wipe that out
You just know that the Glazers are going to give us one last sting in the tail and choose the absolute worst bid for us.
Hopefully, getting the absolute best bid for them will be more important, which is surely going to be a big wad of cash from Qatar.
Hopefully, getting the absolute best bid for them will be more important, which is surely going to be a big wad of cash from Qatar.
That 10-year old is from Doha which was not really big in football back then, and probably caught United on TV and was fascinated by them.
Why would they not take the biggest offer, whoever submitted it?
Fair point, but football in 92 wasn't that easily available and accessible abroad. Would be weird to fall in love with a team that hasn't really won anything in ages. How many ten year olds start supporting the Detroit Lions?
Either way, don't think it's important at all if he supported us as a ten year old or not
Being believable is relevant. Winnowing PR from real is relevant. Ratcliffe is at least believeable as a United match goer. Now the PR guys for the Quatari lawyer discover that he too was a fan. Well, okay.
There is always a larger chance that people young kids will follow the bigger clubs. They are on TV more. It is difficult to follow a small Clun that is never on TV! Bear in mind we are talking about the 90s when TV coverage was not that comprehensive.
I have seen ZERO amount of articles, tweets or any form of media that question how Ratcliff can own multiple clubs with Ineos and whether this can pass ownership tests. However, the topic is always brought up in regard to Jassim, state ownership and PSG.
it just paranoia for us, half expect them to screw us over one last time for the superleague and protests against the family
Actually, no. Utd has always been a big team and has a lot of followers overseas. This was definitely true in Asia, especially ex British colonies like Singapore. That was I how me and many of my friends got attracted to utd. i also have several friends who followed UTD due to family influence from their dads.
I have a big fear.
Could the U.S banks who are backing Ratcliffes bid quietly tell the Glazers, if they go with Jims bid they could offer them preferential rates or loans for future investments?
Even if it means the Glazers take slightly less for the club, they come out better in the long term.
That way the club stays in US hands, they keep Qataris out and the cycle of debt and milking United continues.
Could the U.S banks who are backing Ratcliffes bid quietly tell the Glazers, if they go with Jims bid they could offer them preferential rates or loans for future investments?
Even if it means the Glazers take slightly less for the club, they come out better in the long term.
That way the club stays in US hands, they keep Qataris out and the cycle of debt and milking United continues.
That’s because it isn’t going to be an issue with Nice next season as they aren’t making the CL. Hopefully we are making the CL so it’s an immediate issue according to UEFA rules - an issue this 92 foundation structure will almost certainly pass though.
Why did he call it Nine Two and not Ninety Two?
Cos I just think they will f*%k us. You’re right though, they will likely just be greedy, which is hopefully good for us.
It's not even particularly greedy to seek the biggest offer when selling an investment or commodity. It's what nearly everyone of us would do, and that without being in this very business
I'm going to assume because there is already a Ninety-Two organisation, which is held by the Class of 92.
One could argue that bring back Manchester united in Manchester is more cringy.
We need a huge vocal protest at the game today so that Joel and Avram know they are no longer welcome at the club.
They need to pack their bags and feck off out of the club. The last thing we need are those two fronting up a hedge fund takeover. That will destroy the club.
They need to pack their bags and feck off out of the club. The last thing we need are those two fronting up a hedge fund takeover. That will destroy the club.
You could, but the overcompensating is still cringey.
Tell me you are from a first world country without telling me you are from a first world country.
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English fans tend to support English clubs. Spanish fans tend to support Spanish clubs. Same for Germans, Italians, French, Dutch, Portuguese.
But then in other countries, especially the small ones, people tend to support foreign clubs. I cared much more about United than my hometown club, in fact I didn’t even watch football in my country (preferred basketball instead), but I watched every game of United. Most people tended to support the big clubs, but I knew some who supported Roma, Fiorentina and West Ham (weird feckers).
There is nothing weird or unbelievable for a Qatari 10 years old guy starting to support United. In fact, millions of international fans started supported United back then, it was a huge club that had just won UEFA and FA Cup. It is completely xenophobic suggesting that he is either lying or was a seer about starting to support United back then.
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Bear in mind, he was probably at England back then considering that he was schooled in England.
So even Adam couldn’t make the bid sound nice. Source adding stadium investment is not good enough. Would have preferred if they outlined their plans upfront. Or maybe they did and stadium infra is not part of their plan and “source” news was panic PR
SJR and Ineos needs to provide a blueprint of their plan and maybe even Qatar should provide more clarity.
Quatar are a complete no-no. Nation state sports wash get fecked. This is the club of the Busby Babes. Of Newton Heath. Of Charlton, Law and Best. A club with soul. Ratcliffe sounds not great. Brexiteer, fracking, finger in many pies, Nice, etc. But the bubble will burst. No one knows how long before oil money, sportswash crashes into the law of diminishing returns. Better stay outside the plastic world. Better keep SOME vestige of dignity, while doing our best on the field and in the stands. The PR of both parties, mostly can be taken with a pinch of salt. Therefore I give a reluctant, uncertain, qualified yes to Ineos and Ratcliffe.
All fair points. It seems I underestimated the size of United at the beginning of the 90s. I would have assumed there were more obvious English clubs to support at that time if you don't bring family ties to one of the clubs (which may or may not be the case in this instance).
Don't see anything racist about questioning this though. It's not different to people making fun of Robbie Keane for being a childhood supporter of every club he ever played for.
For sure. Not surprising at all he was a united supporter in ‘92. It highlights how sheltered redcafe is.
40 years old Virgin ?
(Gigge was my Hero too). I am just scared there’s something under the table and Club is bought by some American Businessman or Redclif. Don’t want that.
Wouldn't want INEOS near us tbh, considering Lausanne and Nice have been relatively ran into the ground, and show little sign of resurgence.
Qatar has its own pitfalls, and while a State buying us is awful, if it had to be one, then I'd much rather them than the Saudis.
Qatar has its own pitfalls, and while a State buying us is awful, if it had to be one, then I'd much rather them than the Saudis.
You’re being funny brining in an NFL team into this discussion. Nobody outside the states watch NFL.
Football is the biggest sport in the world and it’s massive in Asia. Back in the early 90’s we got 1 old Division shown in free TV every weekends, when the PL wasn’t formed yet. On top of that, we get regular highlight shows every week too.
It’s very easy to watch English football back then.
My point was less about a Qatari kid watching English football, but supporting a club with relatively little success over the recent past (back then).
I had no idea about that English school thing, though
That's where i am, too. That's why i voted "not happy, but will continue to support the club" in the poll. I would get behind a serious movement to remove state ownership from sports, but that ship has sailed. Money talks and it creates narratives. I was watching the Newcastle-Liverpool game yesterday and, at some point in the second half, Lee Dixon told Drury "Peter, i'm guessing you'll be supporting the Geordies next week at Wembley", after yet another arse-licking tirade from the latter about how their fans "deserve" to be successful. Sadly, that's where we're at. If romanticism is the hill some of our fans want to die on, nobody can stop them. I'll take the owner who can guarantee that the club will be able to stay competitive in an age where the amount of cash invested in football is spiralling out of control.
Funny that in all what you mentioned, you said nothing about who the owners were at the time, and what role they played!
Simply put, the best owners are the one's who are talked about the least and what success they achieve under their time. Not about where they come from.
I started supporting United in 92. Don’t see anything wrong with that.
In 1992, Man United were relatively unheard of with no real history to speak of so it’s impressive that anyone outside of Greater Manchester had even heard of them let alone supported them.
Interestingly, his father also studied in the UK for a bit, and was also the qatari foreign minister starting in 92
Are we 'Top Redding' cockfighting him already?
He can't possibly have supported club in 92 and he doesn't even listen to all the Bsides of this band he claims to like. What a wanker.
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He can't possibly have supported club in 92 and he doesn't even listen to all the Bsides of this band he claims to like. What a wanker.
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Why is it so difficult to believe that a foreign child who lived and was educated in the UK in the 90s would support United?
Zero chance of them doing anything other than accepting the highest bid - it has always been business for the Glazers, they are not invested personally.
Bring on Qatar please. They mean business. SJR is basically the glazers Mach 2.0
I believe Jassim more than a Chelsea season ticket holder!
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