Religion, what's the point?

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Hope I never do anything to get Rachel Wolf made at me:
This is the answer to the question "what is the point?".

It is a con. It has always been a con. All religions. The priests get power, respect, prestige, women, and money. From ancient shamans to modern tax-exempt LLC companies, it has always been the same story.
 

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This is the answer to the question "what is the point?".

It is a con. It has always been a con. All religions. The priests get power, respect, prestige, women, and money. From ancient shamans to modern tax-exempt LLC companies, it has always been the same story.
Agreed. We even have a modern version (Scientology) that was created as a con to avoid taxes. Amazing what people will believe and what governments allow them to get away with. I just hope one day, there will be either less money in it because enough people see through the BS that they can't buy our politicians.
 

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Agreed. We even have a modern version (Scientology) that was created as a con to avoid taxes. Amazing what people will believe and what governments allow them to get away with. I just hope one day, there will be either less money in it because enough people see through the BS that they can't buy our politicians.
Preceded by the ultimate cult, Mormonism.
 

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I swear, the way the Europeans (and I) feel about the gun nuts, I now feel like that about all religious people. The religious conservatives are actively trying to destroy this country and I have no patience for them or even the moderate religious that allow these assholes to thrive.
 

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It is worth noting that our study, by design, cannot tell anything about all kinds of prayer. It is studying only Roman Catholic prayers, of a very specific kind: rote intercessory prayers, repeated mechanically as a part of a Mass ritual, and most likely without any major emotional involvement, attachment to the person prayed for, or spatial proximity.
 

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So they tested the wrong sort of prayers? If so is there a list of the types of prayers that do and don't work?
 

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If that's the conclusion. I'm just bringing transparency to the study because there are opposite ones that suggest prayers do work (be it placebo)
Meta analysis on studies have found that beneficial results aren't that common, often minor when found and even the often not able to be replicated. This study looks at a group that should get great benefit from being prayed for due but don't.

https://academic.oup.com/abm/article/32/1/21/4743198
 

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Meta analysis on studies have found that beneficial results aren't that common, often minor when found and even the often not able to be replicated. This study looks at a group that should get great benefit from being prayed for due but don't.

https://academic.oup.com/abm/article/32/1/21/4743198
It dawned on me years ago that intercessory prayer really doesn’t make sense if you believe in an omnipotent and omniscient deity that has “a plan” for everything. If there’s a divine plan, then what exactly are you praying for? The all powerful, all knowing god isn’t gonna change his mind.