Westminster Politics

Buster15 said:
We underestimate the true value of the royal family to the UK economy.
I have a close family member who lives in London and the number of overseas visitors who come to the UK especially because of the Queen is significant. As is their expenditure.
If for no other reason than that, they are literally worth their weight in gold.
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I think the type of people who come to the UK solely because of the Queen are slowly dying off. I live in London and I’ve barely met a tourist under the age of 60 who has come because of the Queen.

We’d probably make more money if we opened up all the rooms to Buckingham Palace and such like anyway so I’m not sure they are worth their weight in gold from a tourist perspective.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I think the type of people who come to the UK solely because of the Queen are slowly dying off. I live in London and I’ve barely met a tourist under the age of 60 who has come because of the Queen.

We’d probably make more money if we opened up all the rooms to Buckingham Palace and such like anyway so I’m not sure they are worth their weight in gold from a tourist perspective.
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It was just a saying about gold. I can only go by what I am told about the number of tourists and as you live in London, you may well be right.
But as for getting rid of the monarchy, be careful what you wish for.
 
Buster15 said:
We underestimate the true value of the royal family to the UK economy.
I have a close family member who lives in London and the number of overseas visitors who come to the UK especially because of the Queen is significant. As is their expenditure.
If for no other reason than that, they are literally worth their weight in gold.
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I disagree. The tourist attractions would still remain. No one actually gets to meet them!

The attraction to a minority of tourists would remain in the form of historical royal buildings, Buckingham Palace etc.
 
Buster15 said:
We underestimate the true value of the royal family to the UK economy.
I have a close family member who lives in London and the number of overseas visitors who come to the UK especially because of the Queen is significant. As is their expenditure.
If for no other reason than that, they are literally worth their weight in gold.
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Versailles is a massive tourist attraction, I don’t see a Monarchy returning to France any time soon.

People travel across the world to see the Pyramids, again, not too many Pharaohs around.
 


Seems it happened just about everywhere he went over the weekend. It must have been a very uncomfortable weekend for him, he had to face the public at an event he couldn’t stage manage and had to attend.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
At this point, don't we want Boris to stay in until election time just to sabotage themselves?
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We want a vote of no confidence to fail and Boris to lead the Tories to a disaster of a general election.
 
Pexbo said:
If he goes to a vote of confidence, they have to get rid of him. If they’re stuck with him for the next election they are royally screwed.
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I'm not so sure...

He would need just over 180 votes to win

And if he wins by even one vote I don't think he will step down

If there was a really popular clear alternative I think he might struggle but he has something like 170 mps drawing some sort of government payroll... so I just don't think (unless something new and dramatic happens) that there will be the 120+ mps who did not send a letter to the 1922 but will vote against him

If he survives then he is safe for another year and by summer 2023 the conservatives might feel its too late to change anyway

If lab lib green (and snp?) Can form a progressive alliance committed to electoral reform and a pr system then stand down candidates against Johnson it could be a landslide in 2024 and potentially the last ever Conservative only government if pr is passed.

No doubt the opportunity will be missed so people can say sir Keith and sing oooooh Jeremy corbyn instead
 
Pexbo said:
We want a vote of no confidence to fail and Boris to lead the Tories to a disaster of a general election.
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The booing Boris was subjected to will have surprised him as well as his party.
He will just brush it off.
But those in his party will have understood the message.
So like you, I would still expect him to win a possible VONC, but by a smaller majority.
Him just saying he is getting on with the job is not cutting through anymore.
And he is no longer the vote winner he was.
 
sun_tzu said:
I'm not so sure...

He would need just over 180 votes to win

And if he wins by even one vote I don't think he will step down

If there was a really popular clear alternative I think he might struggle but he has something like 170 mps drawing some sort of government payroll... so I just don't think (unless something new and dramatic happens) that there will be the 120+ mps who did not send a letter to the 1922 but will vote against him

If he survives then he is safe for another year and by summer 2023 the conservatives might feel its too late to change anyway

If lab lib green (and snp?) Can form a progressive alliance committed to electoral reform and a pr system then stand down candidates against Johnson it could be a landslide in 2024 and potentially the last ever Conservative only government if pr is passed.

No doubt the opportunity will be missed so people can say sir Keith and sing oooooh Jeremy corbyn instead
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He would need just under 60 MPs to vote for him, as there are 122 Government Ministers who can be whipped to vote in his favour.
 
sun_tzu said:
If lab lib green (and snp?) Can form a progressive alliance committed to electoral reform and a pr system then stand down candidates against Johnson it could be a landslide in 2024 and potentially the last ever Conservative only government if pr is passed.
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This would suit me but I differ from most of the caf in that I think Labour can win the next election on it's own.
 
Frosty said:
He would need just under 60 MPs to vote for him, as there are 122 Government Ministers who can be whipped to vote in his favour.
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160 to 170 on the payroll

The current payroll vote is between 160 and 170 MPs, consisting of:

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https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/payroll-vote

Find it hard to see too many of them voting against him
 
Frosty said:
Sorry yes you are right. They would be sacked if they voted against.

It is almost as if he packed the benches with trade envoys for this exact situation!
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Could see him appointing a few more just to be sure... I mean he's just changed the ministerial code ffs so why not add another dozen trade envoys and give them free government holidays sorry important trade missions to say dubai, Maldives, Australia etc
 
sun_tzu said:
I'm not so sure...

He would need just over 180 votes to win

And if he wins by even one vote I don't think he will step down

If there was a really popular clear alternative I think he might struggle but he has something like 170 mps drawing some sort of government payroll... so I just don't think (unless something new and dramatic happens) that there will be the 120+ mps who did not send a letter to the 1922 but will vote against him

If he survives then he is safe for another year and by summer 2023 the conservatives might feel its too late to change anyway

If lab lib green (and snp?) Can form a progressive alliance committed to electoral reform and a pr system then stand down candidates against Johnson it could be a landslide in 2024 and potentially the last ever Conservative only government if pr is passed.

No doubt the opportunity will be missed so people can say sir Keith and sing oooooh Jeremy corbyn instead
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Illogical comment considering Starmer sits politically much further away from an alliance than most who are positioned further left than him in the Labour party.

Your standard MO. No doubt you will next find a way to blame Corbyn or "Jezbollah" for Starmers future political decisions too.
 
Frosty said:
If Johnson wins a VONC there cannot be another one for 12 months under the current rules, which would be handy.
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It seems though they didn't follow this rule when they got rid of May. So they could very well have another VONC if it suits them.

I think they have enough letters now for one this week.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Illogical comment considering Starmer sits politically much further away from an alliance than most who are positioned further left than him in the Labour party.

Your standard MO. No doubt you will next find a way to blame Corbyn or "Jezbollah" for Starmers future political decisions too.
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More from the fact that I know people in the progressive alliance at senior levels who basically were told to do one when corbyn was in power but are having more meaningful convos now...

Anyway you stick to saying sir Keith and waiting for your youthquake and let the adults try and fix stuff
 
Wonder if we’re shaping up towards a much softer Brexiteer leading the country. With Hannan, Schaps and various others seemingly distancing themselves from this form of self harm Brexit in recent days the stage could be set for a more pragmatic approach lumping the blame for this shit show on Boris.
 
Pexbo said:
Wonder if we’re shaping up towards a much softer Brexiteer leading the country. With Hannan, Schaps and various others seemingly distancing themselves from this form of self harm Brexit in recent days the stage could be set for a more pragmatic approach lumping the blame for this shit show on Boris.
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Nah it’ll be PM Nadine Dorries and all out war on Channel 4.
 
Part of me wants him to lead them at the next election. Unfortunately, they aren't the most successful political party in history for nothing. They will be ruthless as usual.
 
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