VorZakone
What would Kenny G do?
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I'm obviously not sharing the videos here but god damn, Mariupol is an absolute meat grinder. Piles of dead fighters from the Russian side, presumably separatists.
This is such a weird take. You’re in a thread dedicated to following the Ukraine war and a warship (even ignoring its status in the fleet) sinking is hardly difficult to comprehend even for civilians.I agree it matters a lot for the Ukranians fighting but that was not what I was disputing. My main point was that I had colleagues who both support Ukraine argue how it sank. It's irrelevant to us, we are not there fighting, the majority of us know nothing about military tactics.
This is such a weird take. You’re in a thread dedicated to following the Ukraine war and a warship (even ignoring its status in the fleet) sinking is hardly difficult to comprehend even for civilians.
The Russian ship is meant to float, Ukraine sank it…
This interaction reminds me of the ‘too high’ scene in ‘Major League.’This all started because I agreed with a post that said something in the lines "all that matters is that it's sunk, how doesn't matter." Now some people can't take that I honestly don't care how it sank as long as it's gone. I don't give a shit how the Russians lose this war as long as they do.
I guess most hope it was the Ukrainians because it would show they have the capability and it seems a much more likely way to inflict further loses than crossing our fingers for more ammunition ‘accidents’ on many more ships. Agree we all just want the war over and Russia out of Ukraine but the context is important, one scenario is just a random act of incompetence from the Russians and pretty meaningless, the other is Ukraine successfully defending itself.This all started because I agreed with a post that said something in the lines "all that matters is that it's sunk, how doesn't matter." Now some people can't take that I honestly don't care how it sank as long as it's gone. I don't give a shit how the Russians lose this war as long as they do.
This interaction reminds me of the ‘too high’ scene in ‘Major League.’
US believes Russia is learning from failures in north of Ukraine, senior defense official says
(CNN) The US believes that Russia is learning from its failures in the north of Ukraine, where they did not have the proper capabilities to sustain military operations, and applying those lessons to their new focus in the east and the south of the country, according to a senior US defense official.
"What we have seen over the last few days is them continue to try to set the conditions," the senior defense official said in a call with reporters on Monday. "We call it shaping operations."
"It appears as if they are trying to learn from the failed lessons of the north where they didn't have proper sustainment capabilities in the area they were about to operate," the official said.
You don’t need to be Napoleon to understand the symbolic importance of whether or not the Russian flagship was sunk by Ukraine.
Possible 2nd push for Kiev at some point still on the cards?
Not in Ukraine, but cool…
When you would spend as much time in the woods looking for your slice as I used to, you're gonna find more balls than you left with! One round I actually had to stop taking them my bag was full.Like me playing golf
Malcolm Nance went to Ukraine?
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/w...f-territorial-defense-of-ukraine-137997381811
Yep, he did and he has been there for around a month now. He posted this photo on his Twitter account too.
He is a former United States Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer with 20 years of service (1981-2001) with a specialization in naval cryptology, which means that he was involved in numerous counter-terrorism, intelligence, and combat operations. That's the kind of special set of skills that would help the Ukrainian forces a lot.
Russia’s messaging to the people at home is already that they are fighting NATO and that’s why it’s taking so long. They can’t really up the ante from that in terms of propaganda regarding troops on the ground.Is there a danger of a “straw that broke the camel’s back” narrative here?
One American/UK/French/German soldier feels the call to take up arms and go join the Ukrainian armed forces defending Ukraine. Then another. And another. They’re using western imported/donated weapons and acting on western intelligence.
From a Russian POV, at what point are these people individuals helping Ukraine and at what point are they NATO forces? Is it 1? Is it when a Ukrainian regiment has 10% western troops helping it? 50%?
Nothing more than a thought exercise really but it would be interesting to know what Russia would do if they found 10/15 western troops among the dead when they’re clearing out a city.
Is there a danger of a “straw that broke the camel’s back” narrative here?
One American/UK/French/German soldier feels the call to take up arms and go join the Ukrainian armed forces defending Ukraine. Then another. And another. They’re using western imported/donated weapons and acting on western intelligence.
From a Russian POV, at what point are these people individuals helping Ukraine and at what point are they NATO forces? Is it 1? Is it when a Ukrainian regiment has 10% western troops helping it? 50%?
Nothing more than a thought exercise really but it would be interesting to know what Russia would do if they found 10/15 western troops among the dead when they’re clearing out a city.
Malcolm Nance went to Ukraine?
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/w...f-territorial-defense-of-ukraine-137997381811
Is there a danger of a “straw that broke the camel’s back” narrative here?
One American/UK/French/German soldier feels the call to take up arms and go join the Ukrainian armed forces defending Ukraine. Then another. And another. They’re using western imported/donated weapons and acting on western intelligence.
From a Russian POV, at what point are these people individuals helping Ukraine and at what point are they NATO forces? Is it 1? Is it when a Ukrainian regiment has 10% western troops helping it? 50%?
Nothing more than a thought exercise really but it would be interesting to know what Russia would do if they found 10/15 western troops among the dead when they’re clearing out a city.
It will be a problem the moment Russia decides it want to see it as NATO involvement.No I don’t think there is a problem with it. These are individuals who wanted to join the fight and have nothing to do with NATO.
It will be a problem the moment Russia decides it want to see it as NATO involvement.
But it doesn't matter, they can see any of the help NATO gives as an act of war and decide to act about it. And definitely weapon deliveries are much more crucial involvements than a few fighters.
Exactly, the moment Russia acknowledges they are in a hot war with NATO they are expected to fight this war, and they simply can't (except by nuclear escalation)They still won’t be able to do anything about it since they can’t respond in kind. Putin has also been using mercenaries and other countries like Belarus and Syria to help him, and knows he will have little grounds to complain. His best option will be to capture one or two US or UK third party fighters for a propaganda win.
Yep, he did and he has been there for around a month now. He posted this photo on his Twitter account too.
He is a former United States Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer with 20 years of service (1981-2001) with a specialization in naval cryptology, which means that he was involved in numerous counter-terrorism, intelligence, and combat operations. That's the kind of special set of skills that would help the Ukrainian forces a lot.
On August 20, 2016, Nance told MSNBC viewers that the Green Party's presidential nominee Jill Stein "has a show on Russia Today."[37] Glenn Greenwald later wrote: "there is no disputing the fact that Nance’s statement was a falsehood, a fabrication, a lie. Stein did not have a show on RT, nor did she ever host a show on RT."[38] Nance also accused Greenwald of being "an agent of Moscow" and "deep in the Kremlin pocket." He also stated that Greenwald "helped Snowden defect" and "reports in to [his] masters in Moscow." Greenwald accused Nance of lying.[38] In 2019, Nance stated to New York Magazine, "I was speaking rhetorically on Twitter... that was in relation to [Greenwald] being in Moscow with Edward Snowden, and having a sit-down with Edward Snowden. And he talked about it on Russia Today."[36]
On August 26, 2021, Nance posted a tweet following a terrorist attack in Kabul, Afghanistan that killed 13 US service members. Nance tweeted "20 YEARS- FYI there have been terrorist suicide bombers killing civilians nearly DAILY in Afghanistan. This ain’t new. It’s why we are leaving. #DealWithIt".[39][40] Nance later deleted the tweet and issued an apology, stating "I would never intentionally disrespect my brothers & sisters in arms. I also sincerely apologize to their families, and I pray for them. ... I posted before there were any serious casualties reported. I should’ve waited."[39]
or he's a 60 year old who was a non commissioned naval officer more than two decades ago who is trying to sell his book
from his wiki page
so yeah im not sure what to make of him but I have by doubts that he is going to be that useful to the ukranian forces
It's not quite cos play though, they are entering a hot war zone. I mean, if you're willing to take a cruise missile on the forehead, you must really want to sell your book.Anyone who feels the need to advertise that they're helping Ukrainian forces are never going to be great. They're the billy bullshitters of the group's, just there for attention and likes.
The real deals are the guys who just go and do it, no need for all the attention.
Yep, he did and he has been there for around a month now. He posted this photo on his Twitter account too.
He is a former United States Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer with 20 years of service (1981-2001) with a specialization in naval cryptology, which means that he was involved in numerous counter-terrorism, intelligence, and combat operations. That's the kind of special set of skills that would help the Ukrainian forces a lot.
or he's a 60 year old who was a non commissioned naval officer more than two decades ago who is trying to sell his book
from his wiki page
so yeah im not sure what to make of him but I have by doubts that he is going to be that useful to the ukranian forces
Russia will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says.
Asked about the issue in an interview with TV channel India Today, Lavrov says: "Conventional weapons only."
Early on in the war, Vladimir Putin ordered Russia's nuclear forces be placed on high alert, and a number of Russian government figures have signalled the country would be willing to use them in certain circumstances.
Lavrov also says, with Russia's offensive now focused on Ukraine's east, the war is entering a new phase, echoing similar comments from the Ukrainian military.
"The operation in the east of Ukraine is aimed, as was announced from the very beginning, to fully liberate the [self-proclaimed] Donetsk and Luhansk republics. And this operation will continue," he says.
"Another stage of this operation is beginning, and I am sure this will be a very important moment of this entire special operation."
Source : BBC