Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I wonder who took those photos of the ship and how they ended up in the hands of the Ukrainians? I'd have thought that only Russian ships would be be allowed to get close to the scene of the disaster, in which case someone Russian leaked them.

Or maybe the Turkish coastguard was involved in rescuing some of the survivors?

Novaya Gazeta claims to have seen photographs sent from one of the sailors to his mum. He also apparently told her about conditions on the ship, severed limbs and such. If that got out, there's no reason someone on another ship couldn't have taken photos and sent it to their mum, who showed them to media.
 
I wonder who took those photos of the ship and how they ended up in the hands of the Ukrainians? I'd have thought that only Russian ships would be be allowed to get close to the scene of the disaster, in which case someone Russian leaked them.

Or maybe the Turkish coastguard was involved in rescuing some of the survivors?
I believe a Turkish merchant ship responded to an SOS or some such, they would surely all have pulled out their phones for photos.
 
Anyone have a link to that twitter thread about Russia actually being low on tanks someone posted? I found this:

"According to an open-source intelligence report that appeared on the Russian Lenta website, the Russian Army has 2,685 main battle tanks (MBT) in its active inventory. While that still is a significant number, reportedly only about 1,200 of those tanksroughly 45 percentare actually new or upgraded tanks produced in 2000 or after.

This recent analysis was in stark contrast to previous reports from the state-run Sputnik news agency, which said that Russia had almost twelve thousand tanks at its disposal."

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-running-out-tanks-170901
 
Unsettling morning when you wake up to breaking news that your wife”s hometown is being attacked with missiles again. Still very unclear what and where has been hit, but mother-in-law says she could hear each explosion.
 
For those that think Russian ruble has recovered look at the buy/sell spread against USD at the bank branches that began selling (still with restrictions) USD again from today. The official exchange rate is artificial as feck since there’s no liquidity in the market.
 
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She wouldn't say that if it were her free speech being censored, if she faced being sent to to jail for up to 15 years for speaking non-allowed speech, and if the information being blocked/controlled was the kind of "information" that she likes.

Such people are hypocrites. They want dictatorship, but only if the dictator's decrees pander to their personal prejudices and desires. She'd soon be calling for an end to the dictator if the decrees specified the legalisation of gay marriage, the abandonment of Russia's nuclear weapons, and an intention to apply for NATO membership.
 
For those that think that Russian ruble has recovered look at the buy/sell spread against USD at the bank branches that began selling (still with restrictions) USD again from today. The official exchange rate is artificial as feck since there’s no liquidity in the market.


The second pic seems excessive, probably due to dried up liquidity, but 100 ruble spread is basically what I expected anyways. The banks and other financial institutions are not in a rush to sell their dollar reserves and certainly not for anything close to what people believe is the current dollar value of the ruble.
 
I had the same discussion at work yesterday. It sank, how it sank is doesn't matter just as long as it can't be used against civilians.

It might have been the flag ship of the Russian Black Sea fleet, but it’s not the Black Sea fleet. There are many other vessels that are still operational.

How it sank matters in assessing the capabilities of Ukrainian coastal, anti-ship defences. Which in turn might change the planning or tactics of the Russian Navy, with regards to how it approaches the Ukrainian cost and cities like Odessa.
 
I feel that Ukraine are wasting time and resources on investigating 'war crimes' because Putin is never going to jail for them, the Russians would never hand him over and he would rather kill himself.

He would go off the grid and vanish.

These fools on the news keep going on with 'that's another war crime' like they really believe Putin will be punished for it.

He probably chuckles to himself while saying 'oops I did it again' It's madness, Vladimir Putin has probably committed 100s of war crimes over the years.
 
I feel that Ukraine are wasting time and resources on investigating 'war crimes' because Putin is never going to jail for them, the Russians would never hand him over and he would rather kill himself.

He would go off the grid and vanish.

These fools on the news keep going on with 'that's another war crime' like they really believe Putin will be punished for it.

He probably chuckles to himself while saying 'oops I did it again' It's madness, Vladimir Putin has probably committed 100s of war crimes over the years.
Investigating war crimes is done not only to put Putin in Putin. First of all, they need to identify all of the victims and this is a part of it. Secondly, it’s not just Putin who is responsible — and there’s a high possibility that in the future they would be able to hold at least some of them (be it soldiers, politicians or propagandists) accountable.
 
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Didn’t realize he was a Koch whore…




e - just got suspended on Twitter for typing that. :lol:
 
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Didn’t realize he was a Koch whore…




e - just got suspended on Twitter for typing that. :lol:


Next step will probably see our whataboutism thread hero, land on the Tucker Carlson show to discuss alongside Glenn Greenwald and Tulsi Gabbard.
 
It might have been the flag ship of the Russian Black Sea fleet, but it’s not the Black Sea fleet. There are many other vessels that are still operational.

How it sank matters in assessing the capabilities of Ukrainian coastal, anti-ship defences. Which in turn might change the planning or tactics of the Russian Navy, with regards to how it approaches the Ukrainian cost and cities like Odessa.

Well my co-workers are neither Russian nor Ukranian military.
 
Well my co-workers are neither Russian nor Ukranian military.

You're right. Only them should be talking about it.
I guess all of us talking Manchester United on this site must be either United footballers or executives as well.
 
Seems like the Russians are now slowly trying to gain ground in the east.

 
Seems like the Russians are now slowly trying to gain ground in the east.



If the Ukrainians can continue fending them off, it will buy a bit of time for the howitzers, switchblades, and other new weapons to make it to the frontlines.
 
Investigating war crimes is done not only to put Putin in Putin. First of all, they need to identify all of the victims and this is a part of it. Secondly, it’s not just Putin who is responsible — and there’s a high possibility than in the future they would be able to held at least some of them (be it soldiers, politicians or propagandists) accountable.

And unless all preeminent members of the Putin regime commit seppuku, they will remain targets with international warrants on their heads for a very long time. A good chunk of the conditions prior to a relief of sanctions upon Russia probably include extradition of specific people formally identified and accused of war crimes. We have seen that scenario unfold right after the Kosovo War as the then-new Serbian government got rid of Milosevic and many military officers who explicitly had their hand on genocides.
 
You're right. Only them should be talking about it.
I guess all of us talking Manchester United on this site must be either United footballers or executives as well.

No, but we know football. We watch every game, we know all involved. My guess we can count on one hand who knows shit about war tactics on here.
 
And unless all preeminent members of the Putin regime commit seppuku, they will remain targets with international warrants on their heads for a very long time. A good chunk of the conditions prior to a relief of sanctions upon Russia probably include extradition of specific people formally identified and accused of war crimes. We have seen that scenario unfold right after the Kosovo War as the then-new Serbian government got rid of Milosevic and many military officers who explicitly had their hand on genocides.

Still a good thing that they will not be able to travel freely. Many Russians involved in this (colonels etc) are very rich, with houses and family in the West.
 
No, but we know football. We watch every game, we know all involved. My guess we can count on one hand who knows shit about war tactics on here.
You don’t need to be Napoleon to understand the symbolic importance of whether or not the Russian flagship was sunk by Ukraine.
 
The BBC reports:

"We're hearing more about the signs that Russia is beginning its new offensive in the east of the country.

Earlier we told you about a social media post from Ukraine's Armed Forces Command.

Now Ukraine's National Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danilov has said Russia attempted to break through Ukranian defences "along almost the entire front line of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv regions".

"They began their attempt to start the active phase," he added, in comments that were televised.

He said Russian troops had captured the town of Kreminna, about 50km (31 miles) northeast of Kramatorsk, but Ukrainian troops were "holding the line" in the other areas."
 
You don’t need to be Napoleon to understand the symbolic importance of whether or not the Russian flagship was sunk by Ukraine.

I agree it matters a lot for the Ukranians fighting but that was not what I was disputing. My main point was that I had colleagues who both support Ukraine argue how it sank. It's irrelevant to us, we are not there fighting, the majority of us know nothing about military tactics.