I really like his honesty in discussing our shortcomings. However, yesterday I couldn't figure out what our game plan was to score a goal. We played such boring, negative, sideways/backwards football for the majority of the game it was bewildering. Got home in time just to watch MOTD and other teams seem much more willing to work opportunities and gamble to get the ball in the box much more than we do - we're back to keep the ball don't worry about creating chances . Our frontline remains so static, very rarely making runs across their defenders etc. Jota's goal typifies the difference between where we are and where we want to be. Really don't what they work on midweek in their attacking drills.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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An intelligent football mind who is sadly 10 years past his sell by date as a coach. Another Van Gaal basically, but at least Van Gaal had Carrick and Herrera in his midfield while Ralf is stuck with McTominay and Fred.
Has Io be said that a lot of you are like overexcited, rabid dogs, who’ve been chomping at the bit for him to fail as soon as he stepped through the door. Hope it’s satisfying! Jeez
United have usually struggled when up against 3 CBs and wing backs, coupled with the continued use of only two orthodox central midfielders, one of which is usually McTominay (less said the better).
Ralf is a bright guy and he knows the squads limitations. Very hard to accept that this isn't a very versatile group of players, which is down to technical ability, football IQ, and overall recruitment of players who have a high baseline of football talent matched with skill/instinct is so poor.
Ralf has got to be questioning to himself why this has manifested for so long, back to Year Moyes and it's only being rectified at a slow rate for the past few seasons.
Ole did well to squeeze as much juice out of the squad prior to Ronaldo, Varane, and Sancho...but once they tried to change their in game identity, it went to shit fast, coupled with such sharp downturns in form for the likes of Shaw, Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Bruno, Martial, Rashford. Pretty much the core of the starting XI and Greenwood shat the bed.
Ralf has done a good job and too many draws that should have been wins have hurt the optics of it.
Ralf is a bright guy and he knows the squads limitations. Very hard to accept that this isn't a very versatile group of players, which is down to technical ability, football IQ, and overall recruitment of players who have a high baseline of football talent matched with skill/instinct is so poor.
Ralf has got to be questioning to himself why this has manifested for so long, back to Year Moyes and it's only being rectified at a slow rate for the past few seasons.
Ole did well to squeeze as much juice out of the squad prior to Ronaldo, Varane, and Sancho...but once they tried to change their in game identity, it went to shit fast, coupled with such sharp downturns in form for the likes of Shaw, Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Bruno, Martial, Rashford. Pretty much the core of the starting XI and Greenwood shat the bed.
Ralf has done a good job and too many draws that should have been wins have hurt the optics of it.
Sorry mate, but that's just nonsense. In what world was Carrick more qualified or suited to do this job than Rangnick? To say that he wouldn't have been any worse than Rangnick is baseless speculation. So what, he beat a crap arsenal team and drew with Chelsea - a game they totally dominated? Yeah - sign him up. No thanks.
This is inaccurate. There is no way a publicly listed company with a board of shareholders intentionally makes a decision to say feck off to roughly 80m in CL revenue or 15-20% of annual revenues.
Your point about the Glazers and Arnold exhibiting fuzzy thinking to bring in Ralf still stands though. They legitimately thought he could turn it around.
Ok, there you go. Thanks for correcting me.
Not even full credit from the one trophy he did “win”.
Pathetic, isn't it? And some of these same clowns were defending the clearly indefensible for 3 years.
The ships still sinking though.
Because Rangnick has been fairly shit mate if you hadn't noticed and Carrick at least knew these players.
Carrick wasn't the answer either but I doubt he'd have done much worse if at all.
Under Rangnick we’ve at least started to transition towards pressing sides better than we were, something which started in his very first game (admittedly also the best showing of a pressing game too) which is the style we are moving towards. There was zero indication that was the case under Carrick.
SO that leaves us with the large chance we’d be worse next season if we’d stuck with Carrick, and indeed would likely have been worse this season based on his total lack of any experience (and indeed he was a very major part of the prior regime, which I’ve reliably been informed didn’t have a single positive to it).
If we’re judging purely in the context of managerial results, it’s quite difficult to picture what worse would look like. Out of all the cups and looking odds-on to miss out on CL football. Add to that dropping points against teams of all calibre, a heap of pitiful performances, and seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.
We haven't pressed since Crystal Palace game which was his first one. What games have you been watching?
The players did it for 60 mins Vs Palace and then decided it was too hard work to keep doing that every week and we've played same type of football as we did under Ole. I haven't noticed any noticeable difference in our style at all. I don't blame that all on Ralf either. These players are getting away with murder.
At last something I can agree with you. They pushed Ole under the bus and now Ralf. I do not care if we cannot press for more than 60 minutes. We may score a couple of goals in that 60 mins and then use our quicker forwards to use the opening of the space. At least it will cheer up the fans and supporters if we see them play like the 60 mins against Palace. But to press you need some intelligence too and most of our players seem to lack it or unwilling to use it.
Hasn't the probl m been that as soon as SAF left we bought in managers to simply keep our winning record going? Whether that's the prem or CL or any trophy.
After SAF we should have taken stock and maybe accepted that we would be a couple of years in the wilderness.
What we have tried to do is bring in managers, with decent records/names to rebuild but also win trophies. Yet from LVG onwards we saw the players weren't up to it. We needed refreshing and rebuilding.
RR was bought in to change things and put in place structures that needed doing after SAF. Yet when he tried to implement changes the team was found wanting and he was told to win matches by doing the same old same old. This was pretty much in the press. And iirc RR alluded to this after a few weeks in charge.
I'm happy with RR for now. I knew he wasn't going to undo the bad of 10 years in 6 months (I would argue SAFs last season showed we were declining as a team and it's testament to the fortress the man had build that we won the prem).
For me RR is not a manager. He is more a behind the scenes putting the structures in place. I believe he is doing this to a degree, again if reports are to be believed. He has an idea of what is needed and what needs done but is hindered with the on going season and managerial duties. But not buying and getting players out etc has been good imo.
He will have a lot of players leaving and then a new manager will come in and buy players. However I do think next season will be a massive settling in period for new players. The pressure for new manager will be immense because people will want instant results. Won't happen. So patience will be needed.
After SAF we should have taken stock and maybe accepted that we would be a couple of years in the wilderness.
What we have tried to do is bring in managers, with decent records/names to rebuild but also win trophies. Yet from LVG onwards we saw the players weren't up to it. We needed refreshing and rebuilding.
RR was bought in to change things and put in place structures that needed doing after SAF. Yet when he tried to implement changes the team was found wanting and he was told to win matches by doing the same old same old. This was pretty much in the press. And iirc RR alluded to this after a few weeks in charge.
I'm happy with RR for now. I knew he wasn't going to undo the bad of 10 years in 6 months (I would argue SAFs last season showed we were declining as a team and it's testament to the fortress the man had build that we won the prem).
For me RR is not a manager. He is more a behind the scenes putting the structures in place. I believe he is doing this to a degree, again if reports are to be believed. He has an idea of what is needed and what needs done but is hindered with the on going season and managerial duties. But not buying and getting players out etc has been good imo.
He will have a lot of players leaving and then a new manager will come in and buy players. However I do think next season will be a massive settling in period for new players. The pressure for new manager will be immense because people will want instant results. Won't happen. So patience will be needed.
Will they listen is the question
No
This man really knows what he’s talking about and knows what is required. I’m with him 100% here.
Would be so United to not use him in a DoF capacity despite his world class aptitude in that role. Still hoping for a RR/ETH link up.
He is basically calling United squad too soft.
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The next United team that plays good competitive football won't have more than 5 regulars from the current squad, maybe even less.
There are no miracles to perform with those players.
There are no miracles to perform with those players.
For those trapped behind a paywall, his four recommendations:
1. Aping Manchester City and Liverpool by recruiting unconditionally to the specific playing style of the new manager once known.
2. Prioritising physical, aggressive players in the first instance after concluding this squad is too soft physically.
3. Thorough profiling of a players’ “DNA” before signing.
4. Being prepared to accept it could take up to three transfer windows to put right provided the plan is followed
I would add technical to aggressive and physical which is as important and very lacking in the squad.
Scenes when Pogba signs his 400k deal
Well that’s what we did enit.
Instead of taking a winning team and getting in Mourinho or Don Carlo. We got David Moyes and have been paying for it ever since.
Not even sure I'd sign him for 200k now.
He looks physically toast and likely will continue getting worse in that regard.
Not being funny but I could of wrote this on a napkin.
What’s new to what we already know? Just make sure we get a bloody good manager in and he has a Philosophy we can follow.
Nothing. As he says himself in the same quotes, it isn't rocket science.
And yet it's something we apparently haven't be doing.
Nowt to disagree with really
I have heard him demanding physicality and aggressive players a few times now. What about technical and intelligent players? Does he think we have enough of them?
Yep. They need to scrap that backroom and we need to totally stop backing this new ‘revamp’. They’ve been feeding us. They don’t know nothing.
Fletcher was on live tv last summer saying we really like McGuinn. There a bunch of fools.
Even though I think Moyes was not the best choice I felt sorry for him.
Main reason being our squad wasn't all that. It was the genius of SAF and for me even the fear factor of UTD that teams had that helped us win that last year of SAFs tenure.
Moyes didn't really have a settling in period, and sure he didn't help himself. Even the fans were expecting a prem win based on what SAF had done. Likes of cleverly etc in the team. Wasn't going to happen.
LVG and Jose haven't said much different to what RR is saying. Big difference se me to be that RR is being allowed to restructure everything where as LVG and Jose were doing sticky plaster jobs by buying older players etc.
Exactly why he is the right man for the position he's about to take.
He’s probably scouting for the premier league. I’m sure the players highlighted will be of a level that has technical ability. Just look at Liverpool. They are all physical and aggressive.
I think LVG knew exactly what he was doing. However he was trying to manage as that’s what he was brought in to do and quite frankly he was past it. But he still laid the foundations which we should of brought forward to a more progressive manager of his type. Basically Pep
I'm surprised at the quote on technical ability. I don't see midfielders that can command and dictate a game from deep (like Keane, Scholes, Carrick) or a keeper comfortable with passing out from the back or full backs (other than Shaw) that are really all that are skillful. We don't even a centre forward if Ronaldo goes who I would trust to use good hold up play.
The physical aspect ain't great either though so I understand why he'd say that.
The physical aspect ain't great either though so I understand why he'd say that.
Wouldn't of hired him if they didn't.
Nice way of saying what we all suspected. These players have given up. It was quite clear how we were always losing all the duels in the game. Rangnick was screaming about second ball during second half
18 months is a little optimistic. He talks sense but the structure of the board and backroom is just as much a mess as the playing staff. This really needs to be a rebuild that’s bigger than football, the fans deserve better.
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