Anyone think they just tried to save money giving the job to the future consultant rather than a proper short-term firefighter?
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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He did but I’d rather have the expert doing the job than have an amateur taking advice from him. Too easy to simply ignore a consultant even when they know best, which is what I fear Murtough will do.
No.
This is the issue with this forum. Just why? What brought you to this conclusion? What past Murtough experiences has lead you to draw this conclusion?
Murtough is the one that championed for Ralf and spent a considerable amount of time for lack of a better term, learning from Ralf and taking in what they do at Leipzig and is trying to implement something similar. If anything Murtough will more take Ralf's word as gospel than to completely disregard it.
Laughable that people still defend this guy.
Conte is doing far more with less at Spurs.
That's not to say I would want Conte but it just shows how badly Rangnick is doing.
Having not coached much in the last 10 years he's out of touch with the modern game and it really shows.
Conte is doing far more with less at Spurs.
That's not to say I would want Conte but it just shows how badly Rangnick is doing.
Having not coached much in the last 10 years he's out of touch with the modern game and it really shows.
The players probably aren't an easy bunch to manage but his tenure has gone about as badly as possible and it doesn't reflect well on him.
Knocked out of the FA Cup by Boro, tepid performances against Atletico in the CL, inadequate league performances and results. No tangible improvement in our playing style; we don't press and we're still winging it when we've got the ball.
The only players whose performances stand out are Fred - who's been good in the past - and Elanga who had barely played before. You could argue Sancho too but he's still playing in third gear.
Solskjaer should have gone sooner but employing a long-term planner to improve results was as short-sighted as our previous appointments.
Knocked out of the FA Cup by Boro, tepid performances against Atletico in the CL, inadequate league performances and results. No tangible improvement in our playing style; we don't press and we're still winging it when we've got the ball.
The only players whose performances stand out are Fred - who's been good in the past - and Elanga who had barely played before. You could argue Sancho too but he's still playing in third gear.
Solskjaer should have gone sooner but employing a long-term planner to improve results was as short-sighted as our previous appointments.
The only way this 6month caretakership made sense is if we get the permanent manager right.
There's now even more pressure on that!
There's now even more pressure on that!
There's still some melts that think he has done the best he possibly could. Look at the shite Conte, Moyes and Arteta has had to work with. Rangnick talks a good game but he's been a nightmare appointment. He's failed in every metric he was appointed for. Luckily his time here will be very much forgettable and the wheels fell off before they ever got into motion. Lord knows there's still some who want him to be given the permanent job though.
People comparing Conte with Rangnick seriously need to take their blinkers off and evaluate individually how the players are putting the effort in for the manager. Utd players are an utter disgrace, jogging about half-heartedly with no regard for what the manager and fans require. Its so easy to blame everything on form and lack of confidence but you'll never see a PL game where a team coasts through 90 min until you watch Utd.
If only we were capable of selling players, I'd no sooner get shot of at least 10 players, and I'm not even counting those whose contracts are at an end! I'm afraid a new manager, even as good as ETH, isn't going to get a tune out of these lot!
If only we were capable of selling players, I'd no sooner get shot of at least 10 players, and I'm not even counting those whose contracts are at an end! I'm afraid a new manager, even as good as ETH, isn't going to get a tune out of these lot!
I wouldn’t assume he is just some amateur
if this is the case, let’s hope Rangnick at least gets the chance to show if he can do the job he was brought to the club to do.
Errmm look at the effort put in by the Spurs players under Nuno and then Conte.
Spurs went from covering the least ground to one of the most.
It's to do with training and tactics and nothing else.
Rangnick isn't anywhere near the required level for a Premier League manager, let alone Manchester United.
Then he’s another gamble which ended in a busted flush.
I think that's evidently not true. Our training and tactics might be spot on, but when the players don't buy what's being sold, you get the shite we see. They're not interested because they know he'll be gone very soon.
Some of the players must have had about 9 lives by now! but lets gives them another chance with the next manager...
Whereas a manager that's been here a few months and zero spend! yeah its all his fault...get rid pronto.
I'm not blaming another manager at the club, even if we hire Steve Bruce! it the bloody rotten players then need kicking out.
Whereas a manager that's been here a few months and zero spend! yeah its all his fault...get rid pronto.
I'm not blaming another manager at the club, even if we hire Steve Bruce! it the bloody rotten players then need kicking out.
Well it’s also the manager’s job to motivate and inspire his players and make them buy into whatever he is selling them.
Kane barely looked like a footballer earlier and even in early games under Conte, but now he has been heavily contributing to their improved form.
Kane barely looked like a footballer earlier and even in early games under Conte, but now he has been heavily contributing to their improved form.
Really?
Or maybe they realised Rangnick's methods are so dated and basic that it was going to be very difficult to win games.
Some of the players must have had about 9 lives by now! but lets gives them another chance with the next manager...
Whereas a manager that's been here a few months and zero spend! yeah its all his fault...get rid pronto.
I'm not blaming another manager at the club, even if we hire Steve Bruce! it the bloody rotten players then need kicking out.
I'm sure Spurs fans would have said similar things about a number of their players who struggled under Mourinho and Nuno but Conte is now getting a tune out of.
They were not winning games before he came either. If his methods are outdated then no top team is going employ his methods but all the top teams are employing his methods. Maybe it is better if we do not get to the CL and then get the opportunity to cull this team and get players who are going to listen to the manager and not play they think is the best.
And under Poch too?
He’s been an absolute disaster.
You cannot blame Ragnick .. he's trying to get a bunch of players to perform when most of them could not muster a fart in a curry house.
Move him upstairs in the summer, get a top manager in after this season is over and sell or let go of most of this squad and replace them with quality young hungry players and give him 3 years to evolve the team into a quality outfit.
Move him upstairs in the summer, get a top manager in after this season is over and sell or let go of most of this squad and replace them with quality young hungry players and give him 3 years to evolve the team into a quality outfit.
Clearly you don't understand the tactical nuisances of football.
It's one thing to say you want to your team to press.
But the top manager's earn their money by coaching their players how and when to press.
I'm sure their are some manager's in the lower leagues coaching a great press but it's a completely different level in the Premier League where you come up against managers and players with an extremely high level of tactical intelligence.
It's the manager's responsibility to get the players to believe into his methods and implement them.
It seems like for many here it's either the players or the manager. There's a big chance it can be both : the players are shit but so is the manager.
He's lost. We need to play with 3 midfielders. Matic can't run but needs to play at least all home games.
Playing pogba and Bruno will never work.
Bailly should get more appearances.
I question him alot but he has NOTHING to work with. Lazy, unmotivated players along with Martial leaving and Greenwoods transgressions.
Playing pogba and Bruno will never work.
Bailly should get more appearances.
I question him alot but he has NOTHING to work with. Lazy, unmotivated players along with Martial leaving and Greenwoods transgressions.
Why? For goodness sake has this bloke still got believers on here?!
Much easier to scapegoat him than the players, who we all agree have been terrible
conte has lost about 8 games since jan
Imagine if that happened here
and he was given a chance to get players
Ralf lost a striker
i don’t think he’s great but as many have pointed out, there’s few who could make us better in this temporary role
conte has lost about 8 games since jan
Imagine if that happened here
and he was given a chance to get players
Ralf lost a striker
i don’t think he’s great but as many have pointed out, there’s few who could make us better in this temporary role
Well I don't want to sound dramatic, but I think he has made our attack worse and our defence bit better.
Overall, its Carrick > Rangnick > Ole
Overall, its Carrick > Rangnick > Ole
Pretty much.
The board decided to write the season off in October with a view to Rangnick getting a handle on the sporting side of the club in the mid to long term. If we determine that he’s no longer suited to such a role on the basis of a fairly poor six months on the touchline then it really demonstrates just how fuzzy the thinking is higher up.
Yes. He has flaws but alongside Varane a high line can be deployed.
I'd rather deal with a Bailly brainfart and play front foot at Old Trafford than letting fecking Leicester outplay us.
This is pie in the sky though as our 80 million guy has to play to protect his value.
I dont even hate Harry either. He is just a low block defender. Perfect for England.
To be near the top of the league you have to smother the bottom half of the league by playing a high line. Harry can't. Bailly can, not great but he's faster than most forwards.
Yes, you see Conte going absolutely mental on the sideline, they come out and smash Newcastle in the 2nd half.
‘I said it at the time, should’ve sacked Ole after Liverpool and brought in Conte.
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We were a disaster well before he came. I wrote off our season regardless, he came for the early reset before our new manager really sorts shit out.
Id rather this method than a big name to paper the cracks.
I'm not defending Ralf. I don't think he's good enough to be permanent manager but what gets on my tits is when people call him out as our worst ever manager after he's been here 4 months, not spent a penny, lost Martial (not a biggie I know) inherited a don't give a feck Rashford, lost he who shall not be named, inherited a I'll play when I feel like it Cavani and forced to contend with the arrogant Ronaldo who cares so much about the club he pissed off to Portugal after being dropped to the bench v City. That's our whole forward line. Tell me. What is Ralf supposed to do with the gutless cnuts he has the misfortune to manage? Where do you think it all went wrong for him? My guess is the players didn't like his methods because it took them out of their comfort zone where not one player was being held accountable and they downed tools so instead of blaming Ralf for what's happening on the pitch how about pointing the blame in the right direction?
The only way this club can move forward is to rip everything up that's been happening at the club the last decade and start again. Each manager had their chance and each manager fecked it up so automatically it's Ralfs fault? That's not a logical conclusion.
Actually, three at the back would resolve a lot of his issues. It allows one of the CBS to step forward between the lines and challenge when the CF drops deep. You have the cover of a DM, plus 2 CBs with pace to put out fires. Mentioned this at least a month ago, but Ralf keeps fiddling with a 4-2-2-2 and a 4-2-3-1 with two CMs who are box to box…
The team isn't doing what he has told them...
I would say that it is a pretty safe assumption.
I mean. When have they actually done so.
Moyes?
LVG ?
Jose?
Ole?
Rangnick?
Spot the common denominator. 5 different managers.
5 different failures.
5 different coaching setups.
Ok. I accept that some of the players have changed.
But the culture has not.
I agree. I'm surprised we have not tried a back 5 or a 433 with Fred,Scott and Matic.
I read a couple of United fanzines today
Pretty damning if their sources are correct, which I trust they are. Effectively those who make the decisions at United realise how big of a mistake his appointment has been and have no confidence in his management.
Additionally says they need a new manager decided ASAP because players we want are in danger of going elsewhere due to not knowing who our next manager will be yet. And United not making the decisions due to having no manager
Pretty damning if their sources are correct, which I trust they are. Effectively those who make the decisions at United realise how big of a mistake his appointment has been and have no confidence in his management.
Additionally says they need a new manager decided ASAP because players we want are in danger of going elsewhere due to not knowing who our next manager will be yet. And United not making the decisions due to having no manager
This basically, I’m convinced he does know what he’s doing, just a clusterfeck of a situation. Hope if it is ETH everyone can be extremely patient because really does not look any easy job.
They were already in the final. Final opponent was MSV Duisburg from 2nd division. So Rangnick's part of the Cup win consisted of winning one game against a 2nd division team.
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