Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[horsechoker]

Personally dont care about his winning %, the amount of games in last 9 years where we won while having no idea how to play football isnt small. He failed because he is a chicken, sold out his ways to adapt to bunch of overpaid zero fecks given feckers.

Bit harsh to call him a chicken. He probably decided to play to the players strengths in order to secure top 4.

While he could have spent time implementing his philosophy, this might have been a waste of time as he probably would have lost more games and not knowing who the next manager would be, he would have seen his tactics replaced next season.

Perhaps Carrick as interim might have been better with Ralf coming straight into his upstairs role

 

[FrankDrebin]

I think he's just pissing about now with the formations and playing personal, I know I would with these guys.

 

[TwoSheds]

Funny thing is he was linked with Chelsea. If he went to Chelsea (after turning them down) and bosses it. The CAF would be creaming themselves.

Put it simply, the players do not give a feck. We saw the gegenpress against Palace & since then it’s gone to shite.

If he did a better job then people would think he was a better manager. You've nailed it!

 

[VP89]

Find this hard to believe given he is supposedly the one recommending Ten Hag as manager

Hes not the only one though. Im sure ETH has admirers outside of Rangnick in the United board.

Anyway, it is a concern if Rangnick isnt given a heavy role upstairs.

 

[Mercurial]

Hes not the only one though. Im sure ETH has admirers outside of Rangnick in the United board.

Anyway, it is a concern if Rangnick isnt given a heavy role upstairs.

He might have expensive ideas that threaten dividend streams.

 

[L1nk]

His appointment only made sense if we were going to give him a substantial role upstairs afterwards. As we are seemingly not, then it was a stupid appointment by the club and we could have got a better manager in for the short term

 

[Judas]

His appointment only made sense if we were going to give him a substantial role upstairs afterwards. As we are seemingly not, then it was a stupid appointment by the club and we could have got a better manager in for the short term

If he convinces the right people for us to go for Ten Hag over Poch he was worth every penny.

 

[el3mel]

Funny thing is he was linked with Chelsea. If he went to Chelsea (after turning them down) and bosses it. The CAF would be creaming themselves.

Put it simply, the players do not give a feck. We saw the gegenpress against Palace & since then it’s gone to shite.

If the manager can't get the players to implement his style of play, then it's the manager's responsibility.

Also this Palace is starting to become pretty damn overrated. It was a good performance for 30 minutes and we ended up scrapping a 1-0 win via an individual goal.

 

[R'hllor]

Bit harsh to call him a chicken. He probably decided to play to the players strengths in order to secure top 4.

While he could have spent time implementing his philosophy, this might have been a waste of time as he probably would have lost more games and not knowing who the next manager would be, he would have seen his tactics replaced next season.

Perhaps Carrick as interim might have been better with Ralf coming straight into his upstairs role

Not sure is it harsh, he dropped his principles for them, he always said trainings gonna be much more harder than games, 2 weeks later, leaks started popping about them not liking staying late or some shit like that. I understand there was not much time for trainings due many games in short span of time but regardless, he adapted to them, now he doesnt have his prinicples nor he has top 4 achieved, he wont get perma role if he even wanted that while clowns will be here next season picking their not deserved wages and living a life.

Regarding Carrick, who knows, dont think he wanted to stay nor i think he should, we had/have to cut ties will all of them, best of luck to him.

 

[stevoc]

His appointment only made sense if we were going to give him a substantial role upstairs afterwards. As we are seemingly not, then it was a stupid appointment by the club and we could have got a better manager in for the short term

Who was available though?

As for him wanting a DOF role, it was made public when he was hired that his role would be advisory. I've no idea why people got the impression he was taking control over the footballing side of the club after his tenure as Interim.

 

[stevoc]

Done well? He's won 1 more game than Ole did this season but he's had an extra 4 games now.

He lost to Middlesbrough at home in the cup and went out of the CL with a whimper to a very ordinary Atletico team who have had a very poor season.

He's not done well at all. This myth needs to stop. He's been a total and utter waste of time. Michael Carrick wouldn't have done any worse than he has.

People were disagreeing with me a few weeks ago when I suggested by the end of the season our record under Rangnick is likely to be worse than the form that got Ole sacked. He's had no impact at all on this squad.

 

[SAFMUTD]

A lot of questionable decisions from RR but I can't look beyond the players. They are the biggest problem

My view exactly, it's clear our main problem is the players. Many underperformers and others that are simply not up to the standard. But also Ragnicks decisions seem strange, his subs rarely work, and the formation is clearly not.

I love his crude honesty, would keep him just because of that.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

I did not rate him when he arrived and never understood the hype behind him. Now I'm convinced he's just mediocre as a manager, I can't speak for any other role he may have. All the "father" of pressing and mentor of top german managers come on...
We could of tried going for Rudi Garcia or Valverde. Even Bilic or Cocu would of made more sense as an interim.
Considering our club's abysmal management recruitment post SAF, I wouldn't be surprised if we get Poch for next season.

 

[united_99]

No a great manager doesn't need to do that. Great managers don't waste time in trying to make twats put in a shift, they instead sell the twats and bring someone who's willing to put in a shift.

All this getting out something from players is bollocks.

Can't perform ? Move on. End of.

Imagine saf trying to get the best out of veron for year on year and even awarding him a bumper contract after years of underperformance, yep that never happened because he knew standard had to be maintained and the only way to maintain them was to be ruthless.

Ralf is not SAF. SAF got the best out of a lot of average and different players over the years. You can call them “twats” or whatever.

 

[mctrials23]

I would say its pretty clear that RR is not an elite level managed and I never really thought he was. What I was hoping is that he would come in an start the groundwork for the next manager and generally get the ball rolling on fixing some of our massive core issues. I have no idea if he has done any of that to be honest. Very hard to tell.

He has however had to deal with losing Greenwood, Rashford being in a particularly shit vein of form and Ronaldo endeavouring to be awful in front of goal for a few months. There are plenty of games under RR that we should have won easily but ended up drawing or worse.

I think to say that we would have had better results under Ole is madness however. That was dire and joyless and he had to go.

 

[Cassidy]

His appointment only made sense if we were going to give him a substantial role upstairs afterwards. As we are seemingly not, then it was a stupid appointment by the club and we could have got a better manager in for the short term

He’ll have a role. I very much doubt the rumour is true

 

[AshRK]

There was a reason the guy was out of management for a decade. Also, find it funny how much excuse is made for him. The guy has been nothing but a huge disappointment.

 

[Nicoseth]

Done well? He's won 1 more game than Ole did this season but he's had an extra 4 games now.

He lost to Middlesbrough at home in the cup and went out of the CL with a whimper to a very ordinary Atletico team who have had a very poor season.

He's not done well at all. This myth needs to stop. He's been a total and utter waste of time. Michael Carrick wouldn't have done any worse than he has.

Carrick would have done better based on what? He was Ole's right hand man and was a direct factor in our unbelievable collapse this season. Saying Carrick would have done a better job is the myth that needs to stop. To pretend that the manager is the issue at this club is complete nonsense.

As for Rangnick's record, yes we lost to Boro - the game should never have gone to extra time after their handball goal and we battered them - the players just couldn't finish their dinner. We didn't go out with a whimper in the CL either. We were shit in the first leg but good in the second. We lost 2-1 to a side that had regained its form and was playing well.

You compare his record to Ole's - seriously? He's not getting tanked by Watford or humiliated by Liverpool. Rangnick is not the long term answer - of course, but he inherited a mess and steadied the ship.

 

[pratyush_utd]

I would say its pretty clear that RR is not an elite level managed and I never really thought he was. What I was hoping is that he would come in an start the groundwork for the next manager and generally get the ball rolling on fixing some of our massive core issues. I have no idea if he has done any of that to be honest. Very hard to tell.

He has however had to deal with losing Greenwood, Rashford being in a particularly shit vein of form and Ronaldo endeavouring to be awful in front of goal for a few months. There are plenty of games under RR that we should have won easily but ended up drawing or worse.

I think to say that we would have had better results under Ole is madness however. That was dire and joyless and he had to go.

This is why comparing just game win % is not correct. Our pre Rangnick performances were quite horrible this season.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Carrick would have done better based on what? He was Ole's right hand man and was a direct factor in our unbelievable collapse this season. Saying Carrick would have done a better job is the myth that needs to stop. To pretend that the manager is the issue at this club is complete nonsense.

As for Rangnick's record, yes we lost to Boro - the game should never have gone to extra time after their handball goal and we battered them - the players just couldn't finish their dinner. We didn't go out with a whimper in the CL either. We were shit in the first leg but good in the second. We lost 2-1 to a side that had regained its form and was playing well.

You compare his record to Ole's - seriously? He's not getting tanked by Watford or humiliated by Liverpool. Rangnick is not the long term answer - of course, but he inherited a mess and steadied the ship.

42% win ratio. The worst manager since 1981.

Carrick wouldn't have done any worse is what I said. We actually beat Arsenal and drew at Chelsea who were in good form at the time under Carrick. I doubt he'd have been amazing or good enough but it wouldn't have been any worse than Ralf.

 

[RedSG]

I rate Ralf Rangnick very highly, given a different team I believe he would be excelling but our players are terrible. I believe we have and continue to amass a squad full of players with low football IQ's coupled with a lack of effort. There is a reason why managers go to different teams and can implement a style of football in a short time period but our players can't seem to mentally and physically absorb and apply what is needed.

 

[DSG]

My view exactly, it's clear our main problem is the players. Many underperformers and others that are simply not up to the standard. But also Ragnicks decisions seem strange, his subs rarely work, and the formation is clearly not.

I love his crude honesty, would keep him just because of that.

No.

The draw with Leicester was squarely on the shoulders of the manager. He has had an opportunity to change the culture by demanding those that aren’t on international duty work with the u23s and prepare for Leicester. He decided to jet off to Barbados and watch a fecking cricket match, after losing 4-1 in a derby and crashing out of the CL.

The lack of sharpness, sloppy passing, crashing into each other in the box… those are coaching, preparation and mentality issues. We’ve seen these players perform at a high level. But watching Sancho, McFred, constantly give the ball away, watching the two turnstiles that are Telles and Dalot get beaten time and again…. It’s a shambles. Even now, 4 months in, we still have a bunch of yahoos in the Caf who are loathe to blame Rangnick… They listen to his press conferences and think he’s a straight shooter. Fecking bullshit. He bollocksed the Martial situation and fecked over Lingard. He vetoed acquiring DM (reportedly) in the window. He brought in a woefully unqualified coach as his right hand (Armas).

Can you imagine Simeone, Conte or Klopp after a loss like that? They would have been apoplectic! The only players that were half decent were the ones that were on international duty.

Look, I was hopeful when Ralf came in. But we had a bunch of Germany based Caf members, who I remember weren’t so enthusiastic… basically said Ralf was over rated as a manager and he really hadn’t won much.

He’s nowhere near our level, and after this season, he should go back to Locomotive Moscow or wherever he came from.

 

[DSG]

42% win ratio. The worst manager since 1981.

Carrick wouldn't have done any worse is what I said. We actually beat Arsenal and drew at Chelsea who were in good form at the time under Carrick. I doubt he'd have been amazing or good enough but it wouldn't have been any worse than Ralf.

Been saying this for 4 weeks, the record side of it. Given we still have Liverpool and Arsenal ahead, his record may be even worse than that!

 

[Banat]

I'm quite sure he wasn't hired to be a typical interim manager (e.g. to secure top 4 and steady the ship).
He is here to assess the players and ease the pressure on upcoming manager in the summer, and implement at least some coaching after 3 years of absolutely nothing.
I'm very enthusiastic about this summer, I have a feeling Ralf and Ten Hag (if appointed) will make a fantastic duo.

 

[glazed]

I'm quite sure he wasn't hired to be a typical interim manager (e.g. to secure top 4 and steady the ship).
He is here to assess the players and ease the pressure on upcoming manager in the summer, and implement at least some coaching after 3 years of absolutely nothing.
I'm very enthusiastic about this summer, I have a feeling Ralf and Ten Hag (if appointed) will make a fantastic duo.

Yeah this. It's just an extended pre-season.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

And round and round we go….

Ralf has been our worst manager BY FAR since SAF retired. Even Moyes wasn’t this bad. Absolving him of responsibility by saying that the team isn’t doing what he has told them to do is a huge assumption. Ralf brought in Chris Armas as his right hand who has never coached or played outside the MLS… to tell some of the most decorated players in the world, hell, ever, how to play football. Either Ralf was stupid to bring him in, or naive to bring him in, or both.

For me, the blame for this mess starts with the Glazers and Arnold & Co. for bringing in Ralf and expecting him to be able to manage a squad of primadonna superstars, when they can see him for who he is: a person who is not capable of coaching/managing for one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Who else was Ralf meant to bring in as his right hand man half way through the season as an interim coach? You think any coach worth his salt is going to leave whatever job he's in for a 6 month stint? That doesn't make any sense.

I agree with you the mess starts with the Glazers but more Ed than Arnold for giving Ole 3 years and 400m to spend and leaving us in a bigger mess than when he came in. United through out history have been known as an exciting team to watch then Ole comes in and turns us into a feckin counter attacking team. The sort of tactics employed by Wolves or Watford.

Ralf comes in and tries to bring some sort of system more on par to what we've been used to all these years and surprise surprise it doesn't work because the players were so used playing in a comfort zone they can't be bothered actually working for a living. Ralfs first game showed exactly what he wanted to do. The players didn't buy into it which is why we're repeatedly seeing the same shit performances ever since.

Of all the players assembled by Ole and what he Inherited I would maybe keep Sancho, Fred and Bruno. After 3 years and all that money spent if you think Ralf is the worst manager since SAF retired then your agenda is strong. Ralf shouldn't be anywhere near the permanent managers job but the shit hand he's been dealt is a direct result of the last 10 years of having terrible managers that's finally came to a head.

Obviously we'll never know but I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that if Ralf had of came in instead of Ole, was given the same amount to spend we'd be in a hell of a lot better condition that what we currently in. At least we'd have a squad that would be willing to fight and not a bunch of spoiled, gutless cnuts that have no problem cashing their paychecks but don't want to put the effort in which should be a minimal requirement of a Man Utd player. Club reset? Just another excuse for hiring incompetent people in positions they shouldn't be anywhere near.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

I saw this tweet and thought it sums up the situation pretty well….

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Since he has abandon his gegenpressing philosophy, the one game that I want him to play super negative football is the game vs Liverpool.

We need to be ultra defensive and hit them on the counter with the hope of at least getting 1 point from them.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

I seen this tweet and thought it sums the situation up pretty well….

Classic Man Utd. It feels like Ed is still here.

 

[united_99]

Who else was Ralf meant to bring in as his right hand man half way through the season as an interim coach? You think any coach worth his salt is going to leave whatever job he's in for a 6 month stint? That doesn't make any sense.

I agree with you the mess starts with the Glazers but more Ed than Arnold for giving Ole 3 years and 400m to spend and leaving us in a bigger mess than when he came in. United through out history have been known as an exciting team to watch then Ole comes in and turns us into a feckin counter attacking team. The sort of tactics employed by Wolves or Watford.

Ralf comes in and tries to bring some sort of system more on par to what we've been used to all these years and surprise surprise it doesn't work because the players were so used playing in a comfort zone they can't be bothered actually working for a living. Ralfs first game showed exactly what he wanted to do. The players didn't buy into it which is why we're repeatedly seeing the same shit performances ever since.

Of all the players assembled by Ole and what he Inherited I would maybe keep Sancho, Fred and Bruno. After 3 years and all that money spent if you think Ralf is the worst manager since SAF retired then your agenda is strong. Ralf shouldn't be anywhere near the permanent managers job but the shit hand he's been dealt is a direct result of the last 10 years of having terrible managers that's finally came to a head.

Obviously we'll never know but I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that if Ralf had of came in instead of Ole, was given the same amount to spend we'd be in a hell of a lot better condition that what we currently in. At least we'd have a squad that would be willing to fight and not a bunch of spoiled, gutless cnuts that have no problem cashing their paychecks but don't want to put the effort in which should be a minimal requirement of a Man Utd player. Club reset? Just another excuse for hiring incompetent people in positions they shouldn't be anywhere near.

Oh yeah, we were incredibly exciting under LvG and Jose, scored a good amount of goals and Old Trafford just couldn’t wait for the games to end.

 

[Matt007a]

I saw this tweet and thought it sums up the situation pretty well….

Thats generally how I feel about it as well. I was pleased when he came and I posted earlier in his reign to say he was doing good things, but it’s all fallen apart since then.

If we don’t keep him beyond this season behind the scenes I’ll be annoyed. He’s not done a great job with the team from a coaching perspective but it’s clear from his past record and from the way he speaks that he’s a long term club builder in the wrong role.

Unfortunately our board are moronic and will likely get rid of him because we already have the vastly inferior Murtough with a similar job title.

 

[The Mitcher]

I agree with you the mess starts with the Glazers but more Ed than Arnold for giving Ole 3 years and 400m to spend and leaving us in a bigger mess than when he came in. United through out history have been known as an exciting team to watch then Ole comes in and turns us into a feckin counter attacking team. The sort of tactics employed by Wolves or Watford.

Ralf comes in and tries to bring some sort of system more on par to what we've been used to all these years and surprise surprise it doesn't work because the players were so used playing in a comfort zone they can't be bothered actually working for a living. Ralfs first game showed exactly what he wanted to do. The players didn't buy into it which is why we're repeatedly seeing the same shit performances ever since.

Way to rewrite history there, to defend Ralph bloody Rangnick. Are you forgetting how awful the football was during Moyes and LVG's stints? LVG's United was BORING. Also, we had bloody Mourinho. Not manager that is known to play exciting football, besides, he was the most negative manager we ever hard. Ole's first few months was anything but counter attacking football, we blew a lot of sides away. The football got worse but even by his last two seasons, he was trying to be more proactive and failing do you wonder why we got destroyed so easily in the first half of the season? By playing unstructured, headless chicken football, not parking the bus.

Ragnick has done anything but impart a style on this team, it's tumescent and terrible. He goes on about structure, and control of matches, yet most of his tenure here has seen United on the backfoot in most of his games, and not even a semblance of the gegenpressing attacking football we were told he played.

You can try to defebd rangnick, but lying about history will not work. United has not been exciting for a decade, and even during Sir Alex's last few seasons. Just go look at old posts on the Caf at the time. Slow motion zombie football they called it.

 

[Irwin99]

Since he has abandon his gegenpressing philosophy, the one game that I want him to play super negative football is the game vs Liverpool.

We need to be ultra defensive and hit them on the counter with the hope of at least getting 1 point from them.

That was very noticeable and we can speculate on the reasons why he abandoned it but it seems like he decided it couldn't be done pretty early. People blame Ronaldo but i was watching him press from the front often in the early matches, and he'd often look around and realise that his teamates on the wings weren't pressing in cohesion so it looked like a pointless waste of time and energy. In my opinion our wide players were definitely part of the problem.

I feel a bit sorry for Ralf to be honest. He seems a decent bloke, on a short term role and his methods apparently aren't liked by the squad according to leaks, which means he's having to deal with half a squad who want to get out of the club and some who probably don't like his tactics (same players? maybe, maybe not).

I guess you could say he tightened up a defence that was shipping 5 goals against Liverpool and 4 against the mighty Watford but the attack has been severely weakened since he arrived.

 

[Cassidy]

Thats generally how I feel about it as well. I was pleased when he came and I posted earlier in his reign to say he was doing good things, but it’s all fallen apart since then.

If we don’t keep him beyond this season behind the scenes I’ll be annoyed. He’s not done a great job with the team from a coaching perspective but it’s clear from his past record and from the way he speaks that he’s a long term club builder in the wrong role.

Unfortunately our board are moronic and will likely get rid of him because we already have the vastly inferior Murtough with a similar job title.

Murtough is the one that brought him in and I'm pretty sure he will keep him on in the consultancy role that was intended

 

[Dan_F]

Alternatives for the interim position were Favre, Valverde and Garcia, not Ancelotti who is likely an answer to the best man manager currently.
Also we've been much more cohesive in defence, during set pieces and during pressing. Despite all the problems with it, it's a massive paradigm shift that will likely be useful regardless of who is the manager next season.

I think it’s very marginal to last season, certainly not a paradigm shift. That’s complete wishful thinking. Cohesiveness in defence can be put down to Varane, despite not having a good game yesterday, it’s clear we’re a better unit with him.

Pressing? Yeah I’m not sure we’ve made any useful strides. The best high press I’ve seen was against Palace in the first half, although Carrick had us defending very well in his games in charge too. May not have been a high press but we were effectively blocking passing lanes in the opponents half.

 

[red_de_pologne]

I saw this tweet and thought it sums up the situation pretty well….

came in to post this

 

[Hansi Fick]

Statistics don’t tell the full story.

He will also have one of if not the lowest number of games.

well.. 21..?

If we convinces the right people for us to go for Ten Hag over Poch he was worth every penny.

That is actually true. Then it was a genius hiring.

 

[Ralph1386]

I saw this tweet and thought it sums up the situation pretty well….

My thoughts as well.

 

[Loon]

If they don’t use him in the job he is better qualified for and was really brought in to do, then it is farcical. I thought we were moving away from farcical.

 

[DSG]

Who else was Ralf meant to bring in as his right hand man half way through the season as an interim coach? You think any coach worth his salt is going to leave whatever job he's in for a 6 month stint? That doesn't make any sense.

I agree with you the mess starts with the Glazers but more Ed than Arnold for giving Ole 3 years and 400m to spend and leaving us in a bigger mess than when he came in. United through out history have been known as an exciting team to watch then Ole comes in and turns us into a feckin counter attacking team. The sort of tactics employed by Wolves or Watford.

Ralf comes in and tries to bring some sort of system more on par to what we've been used to all these years and surprise surprise it doesn't work because the players were so used playing in a comfort zone they can't be bothered actually working for a living. Ralfs first game showed exactly what he wanted to do. The players didn't buy into it which is why we're repeatedly seeing the same shit performances ever since.

Of all the players assembled by Ole and what he Inherited I would maybe keep Sancho, Fred and Bruno. After 3 years and all that money spent if you think Ralf is the worst manager since SAF retired then your agenda is strong. Ralf shouldn't be anywhere near the permanent managers job but the shit hand he's been dealt is a direct result of the last 10 years of having terrible managers that's finally came to a head.

Obviously we'll never know but I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that if Ralf had of came in instead of Ole, was given the same amount to spend we'd be in a hell of a lot better condition that what we currently in. At least we'd have a squad that would be willing to fight and not a bunch of spoiled, gutless cnuts that have no problem cashing their paychecks but don't want to put the effort in which should be a minimal requirement of a Man Utd player. Club reset? Just another excuse for hiring incompetent people in positions they shouldn't be anywhere near.

Yeah, no.

He’s wasted 4 months. His task was to get us into the top 4. The squad finished 2nd last year. His managerial record is way worse than any post SAF manager. His only major trophy in 2 decades of management is a German Cup with Schalke when he came in in March of that season and they were already in the semis.

people think that because Ole wasn’t good enough, Ralf must be better. Both can be bad, and Ralf has been a disaster.