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What’s your thoughts on Kulu and Bentacur?
I can’t imagine you’d so easily let them go mid season if they were important to you?
Bentacur pops up in the top ranking young midfielders mind which suggest he’s a bit of a talent?
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What’s your thoughts on Kulu and Bentacur?
I can’t imagine you’d so easily let them go mid season if they were important to you?
Bentacur pops up in the top ranking young midfielders mind which suggest he’s a bit of a talent?
Bentancur has turned out to be very mediocre but then that hasn't ever stopped Conte from getting performances out of players.
He’ll squeeze oil out of rock and then leave the leftovers for someone else when he eventually packs tent and moves on. There’s zero sustainable policy with him around. At least at Chelsea and Inter, they were able to win a title to justify the inevitable mess but that’s not happening at spurs.
The mess that has Inter sitting on top of the table despite the sales of Hakimi and Lukaku? Or the one that has introduced a team structure at Chelsea that even Tuchel can still rely on?
This is such an I'll informed and lazy take.
Bentancur is a good yet pretty flat DM in that he does that well and really nothing else… no assists, no shots, no runs. Kulu has an important engine but he is not smart as a player, not yet, and technically raw. As for their ceiling and how to get the most out of them, it really depends on the coach and the system… both need clear guidance.
It helps that Juventus are in a rebuild and no one else in Serie A is financially competitive. There were two managers who got sacked in between Conte and Tuchel at Chelsea.
It’d be ill informed if I said Spurs will win the league title.
yeah right as if other managers don't expect that their players give the 110% but only 70%
Bentancur is distilled mediocrity.
Kulusevski is far from a finished product but he's got real talent.
Just look at the awful state he left Inter in, oh wait.
Sarri wasn't sacked, he left because his family never really wanted to settle in England. And he still got Chelsea some silverware and better results than what Chelsea did in the season prior to Conte's arrival. So I don't know what exactly is the mess you think Sarri had to deal with?
Inter went from being a 65 points team prior to Conte, to become a 91 points League winner in 2 seasons with Conte. They are still a 91 points team after him. What mess are you referring to?
And what mess did he leave Juventus in? 7th in two straight seasons before Conte. He comes and wins 3 straight titles and leaves behind a team that went on to win 3 more titles and plays 2 CL finals in the next 3 years.
Do Bakayoko and Drinkwater ring a bell? Chelsea are still loaning players he bought.
That all you got?
After all that ending up with Bentancur.
Conte isn’t long for that club. What a debacle.
Conte isn’t long for that club. What a debacle.
We were in for Bentancur. Didn't really think much of Spurs interest considering they have Hojiberg, Skipp and Winks has played a bit recently aswell.
Surprised they've actually got him, just feels same type in midfield for them particularly as they'll probably unload all of Lo Celso, Ndombele and Dele all in next 24 hours so little creativity centrally.
Kuluveski is interesting....did well at Parma and initally at Juve. Bit raw but has attributes to do well in prem if he gets regular game time.
Surprised they've actually got him, just feels same type in midfield for them particularly as they'll probably unload all of Lo Celso, Ndombele and Dele all in next 24 hours so little creativity centrally.
Kuluveski is interesting....did well at Parma and initally at Juve. Bit raw but has attributes to do well in prem if he gets regular game time.
I think Kulu will be a hit in the PL. Clearly a player in there but he doesn't seem to fit Allegri's system.
I just think they're the kind of midfielders Conte likes. The attacking threat is supposed to come from the front three and the wing backs ... except we don't really have anyone on the right which is a bit of an issue.
Still feel you need a ball played somewhere in that midfield. At Chelsea Conte had Fabregas still doing that role before he could barely run anymore and central to Poch's way was Eriksen.
WBs get controlled and you'll have more games like Chelsea away where you can't create much.
They needed a proper root and branch and last summer was the time to do it.After all that ending up with Bentancur.
Conte isn’t long for that club. What a debacle.
Although not a target man, I imagine that Kulusesvki can play up top with Son in a 3-5-2 when Kane is out.
Bakoyoko bought from Abramovich's friends in Monaco and Drinkwater (bought by the club after failing to satisfy Conte's demands) are most certainly not Conte's prime choices. And even if they were, it wouldn't prove anything.
Every single team in Europe's top 10 has many players like this that they can't get rid of. It is common knowledge that Conte wanted to sign other players, especially from Roma. He asked for Rudiger in January 2017 and got him next summer. Rudiger is not a mess.
Conte has won trophies at every club he's been at in the last decade. All clubs perform better under him and after him than what they were doing before he came along. But somehow you call this "leaving clubs in a mess". I hope you're trolling?
Yes he can. He's done it many times both for Sweden and for his clubs.
Bakayoko was very much a Conte buy. If he was forced on him he would have just largely ignored him like he did with Michy.
Conte wanted Vidal and Nainggolan. He said that publicly. Now if the board were to come to him with a shortlist of friendly names (players that some of Abra's friends want to sell) and makes him approve one of them, it doesn't make it a "prime choice".
And again, how much of a mess is Bakayoko putting the club in?
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And then two years latter inherited the later at his next club and barely used him.
Also the youth players that Lampard and Tuchel have used were available to Conte, I didn't rate Nathaniel Chalobah as much as most Chelsea fans but he would have certainly have been fine until we found a suitable player. Three years on Tuchel responded to missing out on his primary CB target by giving his little brother a shot instead of signing just anyone.
I've never used the "primary choice" argument used so much to defend a manager ever. More often than not you can't get the first choice for a variety of reason's. How many of Klopps signings were his first choice? Do you think he would have looked twice at Wijnaldium if Kante was a possibility?
Conte is an elite manager would have loved him at Arsenal.
dunno why but when I read this I imagined Arsenal players crying left and right because of Conte managerial and training skills
Not sure what that has to do with our discussion? Choosing Barella over Nainggolan (and Bastoni over Godin) was a good choice by Marotta/Conte. Inter now has Italy's best midfielder for the next decade.
I don't think this proves anything in regards to Chelsea opting against the Belgian as he went on to have a great season with Roma both in Serie A and in Europe, helping them to the CL semi-finals.
As to the rest of your post, our debate is about Conte leaving his clubs in a mess.
If Wednesday at Stoke had said that Conte doesn't use the youth players, I'd certainly have agreed with him. But he is arguing that Conte leaves his clubs in a mess. And his main argument is that Conte would have sanctioned the recruitment of Bakayoko.
Again, is Bakayoko being on the books that much of a mess ? And did Conte leave Chelsea in a worse state than the one he found it in ?
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Why do Spurs need another DM in Bentancur? Aren't Winks, Hojbjerg and Skipp all DM's? I guess if Winks or someone is on the way out it makes sense as a replacement. Or if they are bringing him in as more a box to box type player?
Im guessing just about anyone is an improvement over the cannot be assed Ndombele and the injured 90% of the time Lo Celso.
Im guessing just about anyone is an improvement over the cannot be assed Ndombele and the injured 90% of the time Lo Celso.
He should but he won't. Conte is the type of manager where if he does not get his wish list of players, he will not hold back.
Jose was not prime time manager when he took Spurs over, he was on his last hope really whereas, Conte is more in his prime.
Has Conte imploded at Spurs yet?
I could almost believe this is a trolling mission. "let's see how much I can copy paste from Mourinho threads and get away with in a Conte thread."
But I reckon you actually aren't even distinguishing them in your head and are just assuming whatever platitudes are said about mourinho probably also applies to Conte.
Could potentially quit if Levy doesn't get in some aged Parmesan
I think its you who's mistaking the two. Mourinho can't squeeze oil out of olives anymore, let alone rocks. Conte is an excellent coach, until you give him authority on personnel decisions.
This argument is really nonsensical, isn't it? Which team fell apart after Conte left? Juventus continued the dominance he established for a long time and only last season they collasped. Inter are on their way to win the title and Chelsea continued being Chelsea. This argument can hardly be used against Mourinho either. Only Inter collapsed after his reign and that was mainly because the owner decided it was time to pack his bags and go after his coveted CL win.
Surprised you guys didn't get him. Arsenal even in its current state has a lot more muscle than Spurs and Conte would have easily gotten you a top 4 with those resources. Arteta might be a decent manager, but he is never going to turn Arsenal into a power again.
Give me a fortune for players or I'll sulk and resign.
Spurs need him more than he needs Spurs.
He sulked and left Inter after they sold his best players, they seem to be coping just fine without him.
Yes. They are coping fine tanks to the structure he built and left behind. They kept the exact same defensive structure that he built there and that's somehow a negative according to you?
Current Juventus players still sing his praises about the mentality he instilled in the team back then.
Try as you might, you cannot belittle the guy's achievements - his record speaks for itself.