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Not sure they would have gotten away with it so easily as there was already a lot of attention regarding whether he was going to play prior to his post. I may be wrong but most if not all the other players have already arrived in Australia so it was pretty obvious he was looking for a medical exemption that took him longer than the other exempted players to receive.He'd probably have not had his visa rejected and AO would have quietly explained that he met some medical exemptions which no one would have probably cared about. He really did bring about a lot of attention to himself with that post.
Apparently 90% of Aussies 16 and over have taken the vaccine.How comes Australia still has such strict rules on this? Do you guys have a really low vaccine uptake or something? Surely all players are going to be tested everyday/be pretty isolated.
Whilst I can't stand Novak and his stupid vaccine stance, Australia does seem on another level altogether in term of Covid policing.
There was news a few hours ago that the Federal Government was also reviewing the cases of others that received exemptions to play. So they're not confirmed to be allowed to stay at this stage either. Although I haven't seen anything about where/if they're being held or anything like that.How can a state issue visa to someone to enter the country? It has to be given by federal/central authorities. If players with same reason for exemption as him have already entered then I can not imagine him not winning the case.
For real? Then how comes their policies on this are the same as when there wasn't even a vaccine to distribute?Apparently 90% of Aussies 16 and over have taken the vaccine.
Over 90% of adults, over 80% of 12+ with 5+ to start soon. So not bad but much more to go.Apparently 90% of Aussies 16 and over have taken the vaccine.
Because that is adults only, so a much lower percentage of the whole population;and because we were so slow to get going we have a much lower rate of 3rd shots so far. Plus we have a very low tolerace for dead Australians.For real? Then how comes their policies on this are the same as when there wasn't even a vaccine to distribute?
I'm by no means saying that other governments have done better/saying there's an obvious solution/stance, but that seems very heavy handed. Is their healthcare system in a position where it could be relatively easily overrun by an influx of admissions?
There's a good chance that many - myself included - have probably become somewhat numb to the mortality figures, and what I consider acceptable now would almost certainly shock the March 2020 version of me.Because that is adults only and because we were so slowxto get going we have a much lower rate of 3rd shots. Plus we have a very low tolerace for dead Australians.
Yes, they are investigating the same but deporting them now after letting them in is going to raise questions over why their exemption was not reviewed during the entry. Personally I believe Tennis Oz got some verbal confirmation from authorities that they will let this fly but given the public backlash everyone has now backtracked and trying to make the other side as scapegoat.There was news a few hours ago that the Federal Government was also reviewing the cases of others that received exemptions to play. So they're not confirmed to be allowed to stay at this stage either. Although I haven't seen anything about where/if they're being held or anything like that.
Rules. Always obey the rules, because our elected leaders are geniuses.I for one am outraged. Why are they not exempting him from rules that apply to everyone? Don't they know he's rich? Rules are for paupers.
Well, better they don't allow the unvaccinated in then. Better be safe than sorry.Eventually you're going to have to open up again, and there will be an inevitable wave of cases that follow irregardless of vaccination status. Doing so with a variant which doesn't appear to be as severe as previous iterations
Yup. What I was saying earlier. This seems like a goof-up from Tennis Australia and Tiley when they were clearly informed that prior infection is not grounds for infection. Ofcourse we are running on the assumption here that this is what Novak used to apply for exemption.Tweet
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Rafa speaking sense here.“In some way, I feel sorry for him but he knew the conditions months ago,” Nadal said after making a successful comeback to action with a straight-sets win at the Melbourne Summer Set. “I don’t encourage nobody. Everyone has to do what they feel is good for them but there are rules and without the vaccine there can be some troubles. He’s free to take his own position, but then there are consequences.
“Of course what’s happening is not good for Novak, in my opinion,” the Spaniard added. “[But] if you are vaccinated, you can play in the Australian Open. We have been going through very challenging [time]. A lot of families have been suffering in the last three years. It’s normal that people here in Australia get very frustrated with the case because they have been going through all of very hard times.
“A lot of people were not able to come back home, so from my point of view I believe in what the people who know about medicine say. If the people say we need to get vaccinated, we need to get the vaccine. If you do this, you don’t have any problem to play here.”
The ACT have over 100% of adults vaccinated (presumably some adults moved to thevACT after the last census).There's a good chance that many - myself included - have probably become somewhat numb to the mortality figures, and what I consider acceptable now would almost certainly shock the March 2020 version of me.
But that said, surely there has to be a point where you come out of this? 100% vaccination rate is impossible and some natural immunity from circulation of the virus itself is not a bad thing in the long run. Eventually you're going to have to open up again, and there will be an inevitable wave of cases that follow irregardless of vaccination status. Doing so with a variant which doesn't appear to be as severe as previous iterations may not be the worst thing.
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Looks like the others will also be in trouble now if they've used past infection as their grounds for entry.Tennis Australia claimed on Thursday that other Australian Open participants have been allowed into the country after contracting COVID in the past six months, using the same exemption that Djokovic applied for.
This prompted Border Force to launch investigations into the other player and official. Federal government sources said the two others might also fall foul of the rules, but said every case was different, and they may have other valid medical reasons for not being vaccinated.
Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews on Thursday confirmed Border Force was now investigating the allegations and didn’t rule out more players being sent back home.
“I’m aware of those allegations, and I can assure you that the Australian Border Force is investigating that now,” Ms Andrews told 2GB. “ABF needs the opportunity to be able to conduct its investigation. But if the evidence is not there, then they will take the appropriate action.”
Tennis Australia set rules for entry to the competition, Victoria set rules for entry to the state. The Federal government control our borders and he wasn't able to prove he had a valid exemption as claimed.Yup. What I was saying earlier. This seems like a goof-up from Tennis Australia and Tiley when they were clearly informed that prior infection is not grounds for infection. Ofcourse we are running on the assumption here that this is what Novak used to apply for exemption.
As loved as he is usually at the AO, I think this will most definitely happen if he ends up getting permission to play.Tennis Australia set rules for entry to the competition, Victoria set rules for entry to the state. The Federal government control our borders and he wasn't able to prove he had a valid exemption as claimed.
The best bit is that we either deport an antivaxx covidiot or the court allows him to play which a) humiliates #scottyfrommarketing and b) gives us the opportunity to boycott the AO and/or abuse Djokovich every time he plays.
Win, win , win imo.
I agree. It will rub some people the wrong way, the atmosphere in matches will be more tempestuous than anything we've seen recently.As loved as he is usually at the AO, I think this will most definitely happen if he ends up getting permission to play.
Yeah, I presume third shot would be potentially more important in your case regarding Omicron given the lack of natural antibodies you guys have due to the absence of previous variations.The ACT have over 100% of adults vaccinated (presumably some adults moved to thevACT after the last census).
We are opening up again (far to fast imo) and we have gone from under 2000 cases a day to over 70,000 cases in a few weeks (likely double that due to testing being overwhelmed).
We are also slow to get the third shot because our vaccine strollout started so late due to #scottyfrommarketing being an incompetent cockwomble.
I think this is now pretty much guaranteed whenever he next plays in Australia, be it this year or in the future.Tennis Australia set rules for entry to the competition, Victoria set rules for entry to the state. The Federal government control our borders and he wasn't able to prove he had a valid exemption as claimed.
The best bit is that we either deport an antivaxx covidiot or the court allows him to play which a) humiliates #scottyfrommarketing and b) gives us the opportunity to boycott the AO and/or abuse Djokovich every time he plays.
Win, win , win imo.
NSW and Victorua are beginning to struggle partly due to hospitalisations and partly due to isolating medical staff. PCR testing is close to collapse and both states will probably have to stop all non-emergency procedures soon. If infections don't peak soon things could get very ugly.Yeah, I presume third shot would be potentially more important in your case regarding Omicron given the lack of natural antibodies you guys have due to the absence of previous variations.
How are your hospital numbers at the moment with the new cases? Even when you're all boosted and open up, you'll probably still get a load of new cases, but if they're not severe then that's a win/the best most can realistically hope for without maintaining a very hard-line/invasive approach. Thanks for the info by the way!
I agree it’s pretty simple. Unless Djokovic actually had all required documentation but was then asked to provide more? I don’t understand how he could have boarded to plane to Melbourne in the first place if he didn’t have all necessary papers in order? I wouldn’t be able to fly to fecking Madrid with RyanAir if I weren’t able to provide all documents. They wouldn’t even let me board the plane, right? So how the hell was he able to even be on that flight?!Why is there still so much confusion around this.
Its fairly simple as far as I see.
He satisfied the requirement of the AO organizers to enter their competition.
He didn't satisfy the requirements of the Federal Government to enter the country.
Two entirely different things.
Its all on him. It is his responsibility (as it is for all of us) to figure out what he needs to do to be able to enter a country. More so during a pandemic.
.Thinking about it, as Djokovic isn’t infected right now, is the danger that he might first get infected in Melbourne, by an Australian, and then pass it on to another Australian?
He had a visa but was unable to.provide the neccesary paperwork that he claimed that he had to back up.his exemption from being vaccinated prior to entry, so.the visa was cancelled.I agree it’s pretty simple. Unless Djokovic actually had all required documentation but was then asked to provide more? I don’t understand how he could have boarded to plane to Melbourne in the first place if he didn’t have all necessary papers in order? I wouldn’t be able to fly to fecking Madrid with RyanAir if I weren’t able to provide all documents. They wouldn’t even let me board the plane, right? So how the hell was he able to even be on that flight?!
I don’t know when I used to work in Canada they didn’t care about any visas in order to get on the plane, it was a matter for immigration in the destination countryI agree it’s pretty simple. Unless Djokovic actually had all required documentation but was then asked to provide more? I don’t understand how he could have boarded to plane to Melbourne in the first place if he didn’t have all necessary papers in order? I wouldn’t be able to fly to fecking Madrid with RyanAir if I weren’t able to provide all documents. They wouldn’t even let me board the plane, right? So how the hell was he able to even be on that flight?!
No idea, I’m assuming he’d have to provide a negative PCR test that’s been done pre-departure, and probably they’d be checking if he’s showing any symptoms once he’s landed?.
How do.you know that he isn't currently infected?
Not that it matters as being vaccinated is the requirement.
Exactly. In Australia they do the Visa checks on arrival. Not pre-departure. so if you fly the whole way to Australia and dont have your shit in order, its on you.I don’t know when I used to work in Canada they didn’t care about any visas in order to get on the plane, it was a matter for immigration in the destination country
Wait, I thought the necessary paperwork was the confirmation of the exemption that was already granted by the two independent medical panels appointed by the Victoria department of health?!He had a visa but was unable to.provide the neccesary paperwork that he claimed that he had to back up.his exemption from being vaccinated prior to entry, so.the visa was cancelled.
If he had boarded a commercial flight they may well not have let him fly but I'm guessing they pilot of his own private jet wasn't much of a stikler for paperwork
Oh I didn’t know that. So I could literally book a flight from London to Melbourne, stop over at Zürich and Singapore, and be able to board the plane each time without anyone ever checking if I even have a visa?Exactly. In Australia they do the Visa checks on arrival. Not pre-departure. so if you fly the whole way to Australia and dont have your shit in order, its on you.
The way it's been worded is that the medical panels granted a visa based on a medical exemption, but not necessarily that all the paperwork was shown as that would be a job for border checks. It's a bit of a moot point anyway as the Victoria commission are independent from the federal side of things and it's the latter who allow people into the country.Wait, I thought the necessary paperwork was the confirmation of the exemption that was already granted by the two independent medical panels appointed by the Victoria department of health?!
I find the intellect of our elected leaders surprisingly high given the astounding stupidity of the average voter.Rules. Always obey the rules, because our elected leaders are geniuses.