BR7
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It’s everything and everyone else’s fault but Ole. I’ve got staff like that who won’t take responsibility for their actions. There’s always a reason why they’re shit but it’s not their fault. Cowardice, you got to love it
According to transfermarkt Leipzig had registered a net transfer profit of around 7m during the 18/19 season and another net transfer profit of around 23m in the 2020/21 season. They registered a transfer loss of 31.50m euros during the 2019-2020 transfer window. In comparison United made a net transfer loss of 68.5m last summer, a net transfer loss of 145.6m the year before and a net transfer loss of 50m the year before that. Leipzig have 3 loaned players (Henrichs, Angelino and Kluivert) one of which is currently their top scorer and main assist man. Their current second joint top scorers are Poulsen who previously played for Lyngby and Forsberg who previously played with elite clubs like GIF Sundsvall and of course the great Molde. Meanwhile their manager is 33 years old which makes him younger then Grant, Cavani and Romero and few months older to Mata and Matic. Needless to say that Nagelsmann is younger then Ole and all his coaching staff (Phelan, Carrick, Mckenna, Dempsey, Pert, Blanco, Mawson, Clegg, Lawlor, Meredith and Hawkins)
United should be shitting in their pants at the prospect of meeting such great team. No wonder why they managed to outwit us in the CL. Surely we needed Sancho, Upamecano (Leipzig bought him for 2.2m) and Haaland for this game. We've set Ole to fail by not providing him with such players.
I know it's been low standards for past 2 years now, but lots of people seem to be forgetting the dire state we were in before Mourinho went, and not just the toxicity around the team or place in the table, but the football on display. Ole's changed that, has ruthlessly shifted most of deadwood and improved quality of football.
According to transfermarkt Leipzig had registered a net transfer profit of around 7m during the 18/19 season and another net transfer profit of around 23m in the 2020/21 season. They registered a transfer loss of 31.50m euros during the 2019-2020 transfer window. In comparison United made a net transfer loss of 68.5m last summer, a net transfer loss of 145.6m the year before and a net transfer loss of 50m the year before that. Leipzig have 3 loaned players (Henrichs, Angelino and Kluivert) one of which is currently their top scorer and main assist man. Their current second joint top scorers are Poulsen who previously played for Lyngby and Forsberg who previously played with elite clubs like GIF Sundsvall and of course the great Molde. Meanwhile their manager is 33 years old which makes him younger then Grant, Cavani and Romero and few months older to Mata and Matic. Needless to say that Nagelsmann is younger then Ole and all his coaching staff (Phelan, Carrick, Mckenna, Dempsey, Pert, Blanco, Mawson, Clegg, Lawlor, Meredith and Hawkins)
United should be shitting in their pants at the prospect of meeting such great team. No wonder why they managed to outwit us in the CL. Surely we needed Sancho, Upamecano (Leipzig bought him for 2.2m) and Haaland for this game. We've set Ole to fail by not providing him with such players.
you do talk some shite, AWB aint even in the top 5 full backs in the league, our LB and CB's the same, our midfield are woeful lets be honest, Matic, Fred, Mctomminay, Pogba. many times do we watch this team get dominated in the middle of the park, almost every week, our attack blow hot and cold all the time, Rashford and Martial time to perform every week or they need to go now, been around the first team long enough, cavani only a stop gap, Greenwood plenty of potential but it stops there, likes of mata, James, igahlo, rojo, jones just need let go from the club.The squad is fine. Wan bissaka is a good right back, he goes up and down and people overreact to his down performances instead of realizing he plays pretty much every minute because we have no backup for him, so naturally his level will drop. De Gea is still a good goalkeeper, and behind him we have Henderson waiting. Our left backs are both alright, some pros and cons, but yeah nothing special but not awful. Our centerbacks aren't too bad but obviously not at the level we would hope for either. But then again, Spurs are making Dier look very good right now, and we had roughly the best defence in the league (or thereabouts) last season, so its not all that bad. I've always been a firm believer that coaching and organization is among the most important aspects for a defense though, and we are lacking there.
Convenient that you stop right there before you go over our best areas right?
100% this club set managers up to fail whether it looks like it on the outside or not.We are expected to beat last seasons semi finalists away from home with a teenage centre forward as our main right winger and Matic and McT in the engine. It’s as much a recruitment/contract/owner problem as it is a coaching one. Coaching can improve easily, we can’t change the owners though so the problem remains.without a dof We at least need a manager the owners trust and will listen to and we will never get that if we keep changing
Did you read the condition? We have to be challenging or look to finish top 4 comfortably.
Am I happy with going out of the UCL? No, not at all. But overall I feel positive about where we are heading. We screwed up in Istanbul, but we had those games even under SAF.
Against PSG we could have easily won on another day.
Against Leipzig I don't understand how De Gea could be so asleep, and the defenders seem unable to know in what areas to defend early game. On the second goal we were just looking at the ball when we should have cleared it out to a corner.
Leipzig were much more clinical than us, we had several chances first half that should have gone in. Greenwood's especially. Leipzig had several strikers on the bench, we had Ighalo. We were unlucky to be missing both our main strikers due to small injuries and needing them to be ready for the derby on Saturday. We had a good amount of chances but we couldn't finish them. It could be down to experience.
In the league we have a good winrate now, and if we win the game in hand we are now 2 points off 1st, not bad atter that shaky start.
So yes, I like where we are heading as a club. I don't see any other manager I think would do a better job with this current squad. It needs continued experience and a few addons (like another CB which was reported early this year to be a goal for summer 2021).
It doesn't counter my argument about RB Leipzig is good team and we are in the toughest group. The champion of Turkey Super League, Finalist of CL & Semi Finalist of CL.
United should not lose to Leipzig but football isn't like that. If football is so simple and determined by net transfer profit then Ole shouldn't beat Pep 3x last season and Bayern should have beat RB Leipzig last week not draw.
Leipzig is a team that run properly by the board. Notice how some of their main players were already in the club 5 years ago from 3 different managers. It shows you the club have structure, style of play they want to have in the club, know type of players they want to sign which makes the manager job easier because each manager inherited players that suits their system.
It does. Leipzig are a well run club but its still a small club with very limited resources whose usually a selling club. Nagelsmann would probably sell his mum if it allowed him to spend the 80m Ole spent on some average CB with zero pace. We are not in the CL because we lost against by the currently Turkish league 9th place team istanbul basaksehir and who only won their respective league once throughout their entire history. Then we were 2-0 down in the first 15 minutes against a team whose most in form player happens to be a Manchester City loanee. That's unacceptable and border ridiculous
Manchester United, Bayern, Barcelona and brondby in our treble run season. Real Madrid, Tottenham Hotspur, Borussia Dortmund and APOEL in 2019 or Slavia Prague, Inter Milan, Borussia Dortmund,and FC Barcelona in 2017 are groups of death. Not this one.
According to transfermarkt Leipzig had registered a net transfer profit of around 7m during the 18/19 season and another net transfer profit of around 23m in the 2020/21 season. They registered a transfer loss of 31.50m euros during the 2019-2020 transfer window. In comparison United made a net transfer loss of 68.5m last summer, a net transfer loss of 145.6m the year before and a net transfer loss of 50m the year before that. Leipzig have 3 loaned players (Henrichs, Angelino and Kluivert) one of which is currently their top scorer and main assist man. Their current second joint top scorers are Poulsen who previously played for Lyngby and Forsberg who previously played with elite clubs like GIF Sundsvall and of course the great Molde. Meanwhile their manager is 33 years old which makes him younger then Grant, Cavani and Romero and few months older to Mata and Matic. Needless to say that Nagelsmann is younger then Ole and all his coaching staff (Phelan, Carrick, Mckenna, Dempsey, Pert, Blanco, Mawson, Clegg, Lawlor, Meredith and Hawkins)
United should be shitting in their pants at the prospect of meeting such great team. No wonder why they managed to outwit us in the CL. Surely we needed Sancho, Upamecano (Leipzig bought him for 2.2m) and Haaland for this game. We've set Ole to fail by not providing him with such players.
Again, it doesn't counter my argument about us being in hell group. The champion of Turkey Super League, Finalist of CL & Semi Finalist of CL. Tell me any tougher group than that this season?
I mean, your ability to paint RB Leipzig as some backwater farmerteam is admirable.
People also seem to be forgetting that dire state was not normal, it was Mourinho giving up and actively pursuing his sack. Before that summer when he imploded we made 80+ points.
I don't get why people always must compare the current situation with Mourinho's lowest point as if that was how we usually were and Ole has saved us from that. No mate, this team had/has higher potential and its been proven there's no reason we should settle for less.
About him shifting the deadwood ruthless, that another myth that gets often repeated without substance. He sold Alexis, Darmian, Young, Smalling and Lukaku. The first two were definitely deadwood the latter 3 were/are not. We still have Rojo, Jones and now we can add Lingard and probably Bailly and James to that list.
I dont think getting rid of 2 deadwood players qualify as ruthless.
Again it was NOT a hell group. It was a group which we could have easily cruised by as second place. Istanbul Basaksehir had only won a league once throughout their entire history and are currently 9th place. Leipzig are a selling club whose best player is a Manchester City loanee. Despite Ole spending a looping 145m in that defence we were 2-0 down in the first 15 minutes. Tell me how that is acceptable
fecking hell you need some fresh air. I'm done with this you're clearly an overly dramatic child with no perspectiveyou do talk some shite, AWB aint even in the top 5 full backs in the league, our LB and CB's the same, our midfield are woeful lets be honest, Matic, Fred, Mctomminay, Pogba. many times do we watch this team get dominated in the middle of the park, almost every week, our attack blow hot and cold all the time, Rashford and Martial time to perform every week or they need to go now, been around the first team long enough, cavani only a stop gap, Greenwood plenty of potential but it stops there, likes of mata, James, igahlo, rojo, jones just need let go from the club.
As I said, you can't look at just league position in Mourinho's time, the football, dressing room, everything about the club was a mess, that needed sorting. How many players he had already thrown under the bus in the 80+ season?
Young, Smalling and Lukaku not deadwood? Argument could be made about Smalling, perhaps, but you can tell how shit Young was, when his best attribute was being a good servant. Lukaku, let's just not get into that, there's a 100+ page thread on him already, that will stay a gray area even after he's retired, i'm just glad I don'°t have to see his arms out demanding ball to his feet, instead of making a tactical run or exasperated look after pass goes 5 yards in front of him or he's missed another sitter. Of the other 5, only James, and occassionally, Bailly, are in first team, the other 3 are nowhere near the first team, unless, by shifting deadwood, you meant players out of the club entirely, but that should come as no surprise, given their level/injury history and wages. So not sure how much of a myth it is, really.
fecking hell you need some fresh air. I'm done with this you're clearly an overly dramatic child with no perspective
Again it was NOT a hell group. It was a group which we could have easily cruised by as second place. Istanbul Basaksehir had only won a league once throughout their entire history and are currently 9th place. Leipzig are a selling club whose best player is a Manchester City loanee. Despite Ole spending a looping 145m in that defence we were 2-0 down in the first 15 minutes. Tell me how that is acceptable
How is it easy to be in the same group as the champion of Turkey Super League, Finalist of CL & Semi Finalist of CL? Tell me any tougher group than that this season?
Being 9th right now doesn't reflect anything about them. Season is judged based on full season and last season they were the champion of the Turkey Super League. Any team can be 9th right now but can still win the league. Now they are out of Europe, they are pretty much can focus on the league and then you can make fair judgment about them end of the season. So right now, they are still the title holder of the Turkey SL.
You want to talk about now not last season then let me tell you something Leipzig has won all their home matches this season and drew 3-3 against Bayern last week. Based on your football logic, Bayern shouldn't be draw against Leipzig. But football isn't like that isn't it?
I don't know what you are trying to argue to me here because I never say it was acceptable but my point about the hell group still stands because you haven't counter it at all.
Superb post!!According to transfermarkt Leipzig had registered a net transfer profit of around 7m during the 18/19 season and another net transfer profit of around 23m in the 2020/21 season. They registered a transfer loss of 31.50m euros during the 2019-2020 transfer window. In comparison United made a net transfer loss of 68.5m last summer, a net transfer loss of 145.6m the year before and a net transfer loss of 50m the year before that. Leipzig have 3 loaned players (Henrichs, Angelino and Kluivert) one of which is currently their top scorer and main assist man. Their current second joint top scorers are Poulsen who previously played for Lyngby and Forsberg who previously played with elite clubs like GIF Sundsvall and of course the great Molde. Meanwhile their manager is 33 years old which makes him younger then Grant, Cavani and Romero and few months older to Mata and Matic. Needless to say that Nagelsmann is younger then Ole and all his coaching staff (Phelan, Carrick, Mckenna, Dempsey, Pert, Blanco, Mawson, Clegg, Lawlor, Meredith and Hawkins)
United should be shitting in their pants at the prospect of meeting such great team. No wonder why they managed to outwit us in the CL. Surely we needed Sancho, Upamecano (Leipzig bought him for 2.2m) and Haaland for this game. We've set Ole to fail by not providing him with such players.
This is a funny narrative. When we played Leipzig first we were 12th they were top of their league. Selling club or not, they are top of the Bundesliga ahead of mighty Bayern.
Istanbul are actually 4th in their league.
Their best player is City Loanee? is that why clubs are looking at spending £60m for Upamecano?
Seems ridiculous to me sacking him now, we've seen with the other three managers and in particular Mourinho, that its not a simple/quick fix. I get last night was disappointing and we've not set the league on fire as yet this season but sacking at this point seems wrong
fecking hell you need some fresh air. I'm done with this you're clearly an overly dramatic child with no perspective
The German league is a one horse race. Bayern has been winning the league on a regular basis with few rare dips along the way since the 90s. If Leipzig are such a great side then surely they would had won at least 1 league title throughout their history. How many leagues did Istanbul won throughout their history btw?. Let me help you out. Combined (Leipzig and Istanbul) they had won 1 league title. Leipzig are currently 3rd, Istanbul are currently 9th
Angelino is currently the club's top scorer (7 goals) and assist man (5 assist). Former Molde player Forsberg and former Lyngby BK player Poulson are joint second top scorers with 4 goals. Upamecano was bought by Leipzig for 2.2m euros. That's around 39 times less expensive then the CB with no pace, Ole brought in from Leicester.
https://int.soccerway.com/national/turkey/super-lig/20202021/regular-season/r59187/
Group of hell indeed.
Amazing the narrative difference between Ole and other PL managers isn't it?
He's currently 3pts behind Lampard's Chelsea with a game in hand. Lampard can do no wrong in most people's eyes and we have a 'PE teacher'. And we finished narrowly ahead of them in July too.
He's also currently ahead of Pep who is one of the greatest of all time and managing a better team than we are currently. And we're 5pts behind Liverpool with a game in hand.
I don't think our fanbase or the media are being fair to Ole whatsoever. We probably have the 3rd or 4th most talented group of players in the division. So why do we expect so much of him?
Lampard has qualified from his CL group and has had a steady consistent season, whereas we’ve once again been all over the shop. Starting shit in the league, but excellent in CL, and now we’ve switched that around.