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Great post and agree with it although hoping the Arteta bit was a joke.
Woeful logic. If Mourinho fails at your club, just keep hiring low quality managers becuase you've already tried someone good.No, most of them won’t. While we are at it let’s also include Arteta in your list. Way more proven and successful managers like Jose and LvG couldn’t improve us, so who says others will? And I can’t be bothered to change manager again just for a slight improvement or a League / FA Cup / EL win in 3-5 years.
I won’t even bother discussing the likes of Rodgers or Poch here, I don’t rate them much. For me it’s simple, if Ole doesn’t make top 4 again then there’s no consistency (same as previous managers) and he has to go.
I think Ole has done as well as anyone could have hoped for, and has been a positive for the club. It is also blatantly obvious that he has taken us as far as he possibly can, and we need someone who knows how to coach the team now. Our issues are 100% due to poor coaching. Our player quality is fine. Our mentality is fine. It's the fecking horrendous coaching and every game everyone looking clueless tactically and relying on individual quality to pull something out of nothing.
Agree completely with everything you've said.I think Ole has done as well as anyone could have hoped for, and has been a positive for the club. It is also blatantly obvious that he has taken us as far as he possibly can, and we need someone who knows how to coach the team now. Our issues are 100% due to poor coaching. Our player quality is fine. Our mentality is fine. It's the fecking horrendous coaching and every game everyone looking clueless tactically and relying on individual quality to pull something out of nothing.
While we're at it, Moyes has still got another 5 years left on his contract to prove himself. We'll let Ole have his two more years then let Moyesy have his turn again.He deserves a full 3 years as full time manager. He has just finished 1.
Nope, but if both Mourinho and LvG fail, then it at least shows you that just changing managers won’t improve you long term, if everything else remains as it is. Jose bought Fred and Matic. Jose/the club also bought Pogba. Now we have to play a combination of them and McT, but no combination offers the complete package. Next manager will buy 2 or 3 players he would like for his “system”. The one manager after the next will again work with players who had been brought in by 2-3 different managers for completely different systems.Woeful logic. If Mourinho fails at your club, just keep hiring low quality managers becuase you've already tried someone good.
Nope, but if both Mourinho and LvG fail, then it at least shows you that just changing managers won’t improve you long term
Did your phone / device only show you that line and not the rest of my post?What utter nonsense.
Wrong getting a better manager who is also a good fit would most likely improve you. Would it fix all the problems? No, but it would improve on a big one. It's like refusing to sign a better CF than the average one you have because there are other areas to also work on.Nope, but if both Mourinho and LvG fail, then it at least shows you that just changing managers won’t improve you long term, if everything else remains as it is.
Did your phone / device only show you that line and not the rest of my post?
Well yeah, after spending another 200 mil it will slightly improve us for 1-2 seasons and then the whole cycle starts again. I am not denying things will improve after we sack a manager, I mean they can hardly get any worse (as things are already very bad every time we sack a manager). But unless you get a really strong and proven manager who convinces the board to make structural changes, we won’t reach the top again (and by that I mean properly compete for big trophies).Wrong getting a better manager who is also a good fit would most likely improve you. Would it fix all the problems? No, but it would improve on a big one. It's like refusing to sign a better CF than the average one you have because there are other areas to also work on.
True!Ditto.
Found the comments about being owned by a better manager very amusing, considering how much we beat them in the first meeting
The guy repaid the defeat by dominating us in the 2nd leg with an inferior team and stealing qualification from under our noses and we're here patting ourselves on the back for winning the first game and ending up in the Europa league.Glad you're treating that as a win, meanwhile Nagelsmann has just won the group that featured Manchester United and PSG, with RB fecking Leipzig
He who laughs last and all that. Ole's win meant fecking zero, Nagelsmann win means everything.
I think Ole has done as well as anyone could have hoped for, and has been a positive for the club. It is also blatantly obvious that he has taken us as far as he possibly can, and we need someone who knows how to coach the team now. Our issues are 100% due to poor coaching. Our player quality is fine. Our mentality is fine. It's the fecking horrendous coaching and every game everyone looking clueless tactically and relying on individual quality to pull something out of nothing.
Even if Ole out want to change the manager now, it's too late isn't it. We might should just stick with him. When I chose Ole in since 2019 because I see the progress he's been making. To me, we stick with the manager until we don't see progress. The only thing to find out is by end of the season. If we finish in top 4 with similar point and still way far off from Liverpool, I would say we should move on since it won't be called progress from last season.
Getting knocked out of CL group in a hell's group isn't justified enough to see the progress from last season since last season we weren't even in it.
A hell group? Seriously? The German team has the same transfer budget of Everton
A hell group? Seriously? The German team has the same transfer budget of Everton
I think many are focusing too much on short term.
Many on here seems to think we should buy 12 new players in every transfer window, and all should be on Mbappe level.
What makes me still be behind Ole, is that to me it looks like he's trying to rebuild the whole club, not only the first 11, and in the long run it'll do us good.
Am happy with the PL position, it's looking alright.
The squad is fine. Wan bissaka is a good right back, he goes up and down and people overreact to his down performances instead of realizing he plays pretty much every minute because we have no backup for him, so naturally his level will drop. De Gea is still a good goalkeeper, and behind him we have Henderson waiting. Our left backs are both alright, some pros and cons, but yeah nothing special but not awful. Our centerbacks aren't too bad but obviously not at the level we would hope for either. But then again, Spurs are making Dier look very good right now, and we had roughly the best defence in the league (or thereabouts) last season, so its not all that bad. I've always been a firm believer that coaching and organization is among the most important aspects for a defense though, and we are lacking there.is our player quality really all that ?
De Gea - well past his best,
AWB great in a 1v1 situation, average at everything else and that is being kind
Lindelof - terrible in the air, anticipation is awful,
Maguire - no accelaration, anticipation awful as well, seems to spend as much time on his arse the now as standing
Shaw - no drive, looks like every game he plays in a testimonial, piss poor going forward. not sure can say his defending is anything special either.
Telles - defence wise shocking, has a good cross thats it, corners since he arrived have been awful.
not even going to do anymore as just actually annoys me how piss poor we are, majority of this squad ain't good enough. same with the manager and coach's
We finished third last year, and since January have been the second best team in England. Performances are generally improving (even if there are lots of ups and downs and we have big tactical issues). The team are clearly bought into Ole and have a fighting spirit. He's also gotten a lot more right than wrong in the transfer window. I think he deserves a bit more time.
As long as we are in and around the top 4, I'd say give him two more transfer windows so we can move on De Gea and Pogba and bring in players that he deems to be the right fit to take the team to the next level. If we offload those two, we are poised to spend big and complete the overhaul of the squad. Given how he's done so far, I think Ole will spend that money wisely. If we aren't more regular this time next year, then I think it's time to move on. But given the cost of starting over with a new manager and philosophy, it's better to stick with what we've got for now.
I do think Ole would be wise to bring in a Carlos Queiroz type to help out with the tactics and maybe spruce up the training methods though. A simple move along these lines could probably make a big difference.
Leipzig played 3-3 v Bayern like 5 days ago. and played the CL semi finals 5 months ago. Can everyone stop pretending this is some pedestrian noveltyteam it's unforgivable to lose to? Yeah I'm dissapointed, but come on.
It's a team that managed to go 3-3 in away game against Bayern few days ago.