Well, that would explain a lot. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. We can't prove anything, obviously.This is what the Colombian clubs did when they were owned by kingpin drug dealers, to launder money
Prem clubs lying about match attendance figures, City by 10k a match
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By counting people who actually enters the stadium?
Bit surprised by the ones they do not count, to be fair. It has to do with security aswell, if something bad happens, let's say a new Hillsborough, they need to know how many were in there, don't they?
Dunno. I'm giving you my opinion based on my being there.
Take it or leave it.
In all fairness, all clubs do this. In 2013 The Guardian published a similar story about the disparity between club and police figures of attendances at OT.
"Greater Manchester police's figures claim the average crowd for league matches, excluding City, is 10,000 below what the club say. The police records state it is 65,601 rather than the official figure of 75,527. In all competitions it is 61,739 rather than the club's 73,653."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures
"Greater Manchester police's figures claim the average crowd for league matches, excluding City, is 10,000 below what the club say. The police records state it is 65,601 rather than the official figure of 75,527. In all competitions it is 61,739 rather than the club's 73,653."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures
Ha ha ha! Replied so many times already blatantly lying about the figures yet has the brass to say "I've no reason to lie".
The camera doesnt lie mate. There are over ten thousand empty seats every time. Everything about the UAE's artificially manufactured project is inflated. Might as well admit it as you're hardly going to fool us United fans on our own forum.
Article lost all credibility the second it claimed the Barcelona attendance was 44,757. That's 100% not true. Clearly there is a discrepancy between the actual attendance and the reported attendance, and I'm not going to deny that City struggle to fill the stadium sometimes, but the attendance figures given in that Sun article seem to be equally plucked out of nowhere. The Barcelona game had few noticeable empty seats, whereas some of the games it's listed as having more than that game blatantly had thousands more empty seats.
Counting them how?
When someone says "i don't know", "i can't prove it" it's best to not believe them. You are just hating on the realities which is available from police data. Now would you accept if a united fan told you "i swear from what i see in games our empty seats aren't anywhere near what the police figures claim?" You'd be the first to say he can't have better figures based on looking around to people who actually count.
Thing is, City were getting 25,000 in league Two. How have they gained so few match-going fans in the decade since they won the lottery?
Tax returns are based on ticket sales not bums on seats, in the 80s I rememer squeezing into a packed kippax only to read the next day there were 30k at the game, reason being our somewhat dubious chairman was avoiding tax, now we report the ticket sales and get accused of over reporting. Guess you can never win.
Fortunately I no longer feel the need to live vicariously through the size of my teams crowd.
How many threads do you need to emphasise that United have a bigger world fan base. You know it I know it, but no one cares.
Fortunately I no longer feel the need to live vicariously through the size of my teams crowd.
How many threads do you need to emphasise that United have a bigger world fan base. You know it I know it, but no one cares.
I guess success out of nowhere may get you fans from around the world; but I doubt winning the lottery would really impact the 'local' support. City winning the league a few times in recent years won't to anything to turn the tide in support in Manchester itself I imagine.
Damn right they're sticking in our craw mate! The outrageous good fortune you've enjoyed over the last 10 years is annoying for even the most sanguine of United fans. The fact that you can't even fill your ground - built with public money - only rubs salt in the wound.
Counting them how?
When someone enters, they press a thingie... no idea what it's called, but i have seen it on Brann Stadion atleast
Like this little handheld thing with a counter on. One by each entrance, then they add them up.
I was about to post the same thing.
United do it, City do it, everyone does it....
As far as I'm concerned the information beggars belief in both the articles for United and City. Sure there must be lots of ST holders who don't attend at both clubs but not at the levels they are publicising.
perhaps the police should just ask jim
Your recent ban obviously had no effect on you, did it?
You're a truly awful poster.
But the stadium was built for another purpose, wasn't it? What would you have had Manchester City Council do with it otherwise?
They receive a rent and percentage of ticket revenue from City for use of the ground plus the spin-off benefits of more jobs, contracts awarded to local firms, new educational facilities built in a deprived part of the city and countless other revenue streams which having a second successful team brings to Manchester.
This in no way surprises me.
I'm guessing the same way you count how many animals are in a herd. They should be correct within a 0.05% margin or I can't imagine they would make these claims.
Counting them how?
It's Abu Dhabi Athletic....Count the fingers and divide by twelve....
Lol. Just because you don't like to hear the truth about the UAE project . Grow up pal.
You pathetically fabricate stories like a hurt child. Recent ban? You are the one who was recently banned. I most certainly was not.
Anyroad, if you are going to get so upset over a mild bit of fun-poking from us United fans, about your club's inflated attendance figures, then quite frankly you miggt be better off considering whether this is the best place for you to spend your valuable time
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City were obviously lying. Their figures had them at near full attendance most weeks when the sky blue seats were just so obvious. The ground is too big for a club of that size.
This is odd- the Sun has gotten the police's figures of crowds at matches and compared them to the official ones. City inflate their official ones by 10,000 a game on average and the police say the Barca match only got 44,757, not 53,340 as club stated.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5858...m-premier-league-southampton-watford-arsenal/
I wonder if this is to do with season tickets. E.g. assume a set percentage or entire inclusion. In theory they have attended financially.
But there are the corporate boxes too arent there?
I don't understand, how can Bournemouth have 40k attendances when Dean Court is only 11k?
I'm sure we've done this in the past, more so for cup games.
It's the "attendance" in terms of season tickets/match day tickets sold, compared to the number who actually turn up for the game (i.e. the actual attendance).
Weird that they're still lagging so much for league games against the likes of Spurs and Liverpool though...these games weren't even midweek.
It's the "attendance" in terms of season tickets/match day tickets sold, compared to the number who actually turn up for the game (i.e. the actual attendance).
Weird that they're still lagging so much for league games against the likes of Spurs and Liverpool though...these games weren't even midweek.
This is amongst the most obvious "news" I've heard. Cameras don't lie. Emptyhad is a well-earned nickname.
Still...
Still...
The police distanced themselves from those figures though, it was based on facial recognition technology that wasn't accurate. At the time we had a 360 degree camera for games and it made it clear those figures were way off.
No idea if it's a similar case here, City do seem to have a lot of empty seats in most home games though.
Maybe they can buy sets of supporters. Pay them like in certain TV shows and their audiences. Sign up today and go watch City vs Barcelona and win a £20 Argos voucher.
Meh, probably accurate figures, We definitely do give lots of tickets out to schools and Unis and stuff, It's not something I particularly care about, if anything I think its good to give back to the community (although it'd be better if they turned up). I don't think the numbers are inflated by "fake sales" as some seem to be suggesting though, the shitstorm something like that would cause would be insane if it came out and the upside pretty limited. More likely just people not turning up, be it season ticket holders or tickets given away.
IIRC the MEN did a similar article a few years back about United v Newcastle where the recorded numbers had a disparity of 20k or so, I think because united used to make cup tickets compulsory buys for season holders?
IIRC the MEN did a similar article a few years back about United v Newcastle where the recorded numbers had a disparity of 20k or so, I think because united used to make cup tickets compulsory buys for season holders?
Forgive me. I accept that you were not recently banned , just given a mod warning but it patently did not work as you steam in calling a poster who's been around awhile a liar and a fabricator for stating an opinion about a matter that cannot be proven one way or another.Lol. Just because you don't like to hear the truth about the UAE project . Grow up pal.
You pathetically fabricate stories like a hurt child. Recent ban? You are the one who was recently banned. I most certainly was not.
Anyroad, if you are going to get so upset over a mild bit of fun-poking from us United fans, about your club's inflated attendance figures, then quite frankly you miggt be better off considering whether this is the best place for you to spend your valuable time
The UAE project? I could start on many skeletons in United's cupboard but that's been done to death and this is not the place for that discussion.
You take the cowards way out of your folly by calling it mild fun poking? I get plenty of that on here and give it back in good heart but you cross the line when you call me a liar.
To keep the peace I'm going to block you and thread ban myself from this one before I tell you what I really think of your arrogant, obnoxious self.
Seemingly Inflated figures happens at every club. First think the police count is just the count of those going through the turnatiles so the corporate areas and other similar seats are counted into the police figure. Also by FA rules must relorr the attendance as that of all tickets sold not actual match going fans so ktit not like clubs purposefully do this. For reference here is an article about United. Personally think this is a nothing topic.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures.
Problem is, I know a load of City fans and worked with quite a few a I used to work in Stockport.
They all go to every home game and they all tell me that there are only 1000 or so empty seats every home game.
Even when I show them pictures of half empty stands they claim otherwise .
It is a peculiar blind spot. City want to be the best supported club in the city but they are not, why it matters is beyond me.
Can't wait for next season when the caf can hopefully laugh at City for being below them in the league instead of searching for other ways to feel superior
As mentioned, It's tickets sold. All clubs base attendance off that fact. Widely know for years. So article calling it "lying" is OTT.
This can’t possibly be true. I don’t believe that 1 in 6 or even 1 in 10 seats are empty on average.
Or then again maybe they are.
It's alleged home game attendances of City vs various opponent teams, including Bournemouth. Not a Bournemouth home game.
United are one of the best supported clubs in the world. City aren't.
Everyone knows that though. Nothing to see here.
Everyone knows that though. Nothing to see here.