Totally agree.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Totally agree.
I hope our club doesn't just stop at a single 'thoughts and prayers' tweet. I haven't seen anything else so far so I hope I do soon.
Given our history and size we should really be at the forefront of the rush to help with anything and everything.
Given our history and size we should really be at the forefront of the rush to help with anything and everything.
Sorry for the stupid question but why wait for an approval for emergency landing if it's super mega urgent ?
Because there might be other planes already landing?
Cause there was another emergency landing declared first. They need to land the A320 as a priority as it was leaking fuel. The ATC can't grant approach if the other plane hasn't landed yet.
The real question is why 2 aircrafts that declared emergency are directed to the same airport especially when the latter RJ85 is relatively small plane that can land in non-international airport and there are lot of those in the area.
Surely if they're out of fuel they have priority ?
Shame ! incompetence all around.
the other was leaking fuel and the RJ85 (as far as we know) has declared electrical problem first. the A320 is a bigger aircraft as well so he needs a bigger runway to land and already making an approach you really can't divert it.
There will be ongoing investigation and we will know what happened surely (after couple of months at least).
The only reasoning behind landing at that airport is if the pilot of the RJ85 requests that to the ATC for reasons like knowing the runway and not knowing the others in the area in case of low visibility. However risking the entire aircraft in case of fuel exhaustion in a mountainous terrain for a charter pilot (I assume he knows the area and has done multiple hops like that before) is really really odd. The only other reason is saving fuel.
Edit: looking at the specs the RJ85 needs 3894ft or 1186.891m of runway to land.
The Olaya Herrera Airport again at Medellin has 2,510m of runway - more than enough and it has been modernized recently. Although serving domestic flights it can be used in emergency cases such as this if the pilot declared one.
If the pilot didn't and only declared a minor electrical problem of course it's a whole different matter.
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Ronaldinho & Requilme offering to play for free if you believe reports, both willing to come out of retirement.
It is. That aircrash is what brought about the terms on Minimum fuel and mayday fuel.
Unfortunately I am not aware of the geography of that area nor the layouts of the airport. I don't like reading aircrash news because it's a lot of speculation. I prefer waiting for the official report. So I'm not sure of the specifics of this incident. Just thought I would share what I guaged from the ATC recording
I see. It will take some time until the official report comes out - until that time is pure speculation of course. I just wonder why the ATC would direct 2 aircrafts that declared emergency to the same airport(and one runway) it's not standard situation of course but still very odd.
It didn't sound like either had declared emergency. Both had asked for Priority. That is a big difference. Priority doesn't grant you any special procedures other than ATC trying to change your sequence to land. MAYDAY is a total different ball game. Hence why Minimum Fuel (When you are close to being at FINAL FUEL) and MAYDAY FUEL ( When you are within your Final Fuel) are very important for pilots to understand. Both aircrafts seemed to be on priority. It was only at the end that LMI declared emergency that is when the controller moved ALL aircraft out of its way and cleared it for approach, till then she still had to maintain a sort of sequence. Sorry, I'm on my phone can't type at length and explain.
I read some reports but they are contradictory, one has them on priority the other has them on Mayday.
I think most have the RJ85 reporting Mayday, but after it was in the holding pattern so I think you are right.
I'm not sure at what point did the pilot of the RJ85 report mayday, CNN also has it reported mayday:
CNN.
My hometown team, Spartak Moscow, got relegated to the First League in 1977 and Pakhtakor were the team that put up a fight to get back to the main league along with Spartak in 1977. We went on to win a championship in 1979, our players dominated the league and NT for the next 10-15 years, while Pakhtakor's plane crashed in the summer of 79. And yes, they did get 3 year immunity from relegation.
I wouldn't be surprised if United are just quietly working on something that helps in the long term. Not a single charity match. Something bigger. I hope so anyway.
Ridiculous to get booked for that.
Got booked for it.
Got booked for it.
That referee should not officiate another match in Ligue 1 again this season.
Absolutely pointless decision.
I read something very strange in Record (Portuguese paper). A woman who worked for the air control administration alerted Lamia that the fuel was not enough when she was given the flight plan. The time given for the flight was the same as the autonomy for that amount of fuel (04:22) and according to her that was a mistake. The air company spoke to the commander about that and the commander insisted it was OK and that he could do the flight in less time. Lamia then returned this information to her. I don't think she ever accepted it, but she didn't have authority to stop the flight. By some reason she was fired today.
The documents proving this have been leaked.
All a bit damning and the feeling grows that this tragedy was completely avoidable.
EDIT: I checked and Brazilian networks are also running this story.
The documents proving this have been leaked.
All a bit damning and the feeling grows that this tragedy was completely avoidable.
EDIT: I checked and Brazilian networks are also running this story.
Rumors that the pilot partly owned the airline, didn't refuel to keep the costs low and didn't call for a priority emergency landing right away because that would've resulted in huge fines. Might not be true, but that'd be horrible if it's the reason for all of this.
Yeah, the idea of a plane going down for lack of fuel, when this isn't due to some fault of equipment is scary enough. If greed is a catalyst, it escalates to an unbearable rage-inducing thought.
The recording available seems to point that he didn't call Mayday or similar until way too late. When he did call he was given first priority where the tower moved every plane out of the way for him.
It seems the pilot being part owner and the situation the company is in really messed up the pilot's judgements.
These new rumor sounds extremely disturbing 
If true and I have no reason to doubt it, this is shocking.
Minimum fuels rules are there for a reason.
Inexplicable that something like this can happen as a result of greed. Really hope it's not the case but there's far too much talk for it not to be true I feel.
Unfortunately cutting corners is the main reason why incidents like these happen. Either due to mechanical error, fuel saving, tired pilots etc.
If that is true, companies like that should not have a license and have no place in commercial flying.
As with any air disaster an absolute tragedy and a genuine feeling of sorrow for all involved.
As an aside do you think the outpouring of grief will ultimately make Chapecoense a bigger force in Brazil ? I often wondered if we would be as gigantic a club as we are if not for the support of the club that came out of the Munich crash. I remember my dad telling me how so many peoples support gravitated towards United from across the country and beyond in the aftermath. Nothing can ever make up for the loss of lives but it will be a fitting tribute if Chapecoense can rise from the ashes - as we did - rebuild the club and make proud all those who sadly perished.
The very best of luck to them, the whole world is with you.
As an aside do you think the outpouring of grief will ultimately make Chapecoense a bigger force in Brazil ? I often wondered if we would be as gigantic a club as we are if not for the support of the club that came out of the Munich crash. I remember my dad telling me how so many peoples support gravitated towards United from across the country and beyond in the aftermath. Nothing can ever make up for the loss of lives but it will be a fitting tribute if Chapecoense can rise from the ashes - as we did - rebuild the club and make proud all those who sadly perished.
The very best of luck to them, the whole world is with you.
Chapecoense plane crash: Survivor 'may play football again'
A Brazilian football player who survived a plane crash in Colombia on Monday is recovering and may be able to resume his career, his father says.
Helio Hermito Zampier Neto, a 31-year-old defender for Chapecoense, was in a stable condition, doctors said, after surgery on a lung, a knee, a wrist and his head.
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Two of the survivors, crew members Ximena Suarez and Erwin Tumiri, were said to be in good condition. The four others were still in intensive care.
Neto's father, Helam, said on Facebook that news of his recovery was giving the family "renewed hope and faith".
"My son is getting better and better. He has just undergone surgery on his leg and doctors say he will return to football," he said.
"We shall continue praying because we still need his discharge from hospital to see him closely."
Doctors said 24-year-old goalkeeper Jakson Ragnar Follmann would not lose his left leg, after having his right one amputated.
Defender Alan Ruschel, 27, had spinal surgery, but his movements were not affected, they added.
Journalist Rafael Henzel was listed as stable.
More:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38181168
Not in the least bit surprised. From the beginning everything pointed in this direction.
Still disturbing
Still disturbing
yep, they shouldn't. But, unfortunally, this is how South America is. This is why we have a love/hate relationship with this continent. We have no control whatsoever on a lot of things.
What amazes me is how football clubs and FAs allowed this tiny little shady Bolivian airline to transport their players.
I doubt it, only teams from huge cities can become a force here.. and there isn't one in their small state. They were punching WAY above their weight, which makes everything even sadder.
But people are trying to help, they gained a huge number of membership requests these past few days.
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Shoestring budgets.
That's how I feel, and why I ultimately left home (Brazil) and want to stay away from it. Not that the US or anywhere else is perfect, but in LatAm (or at least in Brazil) looking to sneakily get ahead is endemic. Its virtuous to get ahead, not to do what's safer or sounder.
Just watched the video of some interviews on board before the flight took off with the co-pilot and the players and airline crew. One of the players says 'we're safe with this guy in control'
Local press claiming:
1. Plane was set up with a local governor who supported Chavez. Originally it offered flat rate on all flats and customers were called 'associates.'
2. Company didn't undertake a single commercial flight until it relocated to Bolivia last year
3. Founder has moved to Spain and is involved in a corruption case involving a Chinese businessman.
Guess the only good thing to come out of this awful tragedy is that this grubby company will never see the light of day again.
1. Plane was set up with a local governor who supported Chavez. Originally it offered flat rate on all flats and customers were called 'associates.'
2. Company didn't undertake a single commercial flight until it relocated to Bolivia last year
3. Founder has moved to Spain and is involved in a corruption case involving a Chinese businessman.
Guess the only good thing to come out of this awful tragedy is that this grubby company will never see the light of day again.
San Lorenzo players got into the pitch with the jerseys they exchanged with Chapecoense players 10 days ago when they got out in the Semis of the South American cup.