Plane carrying Chapocoense players crashes | Nossa Chape documentary

Munich survivor Harry Gregg reflects on the Chapecoense crash and how it brings back painful memories.

Former Manchester United goalkeeper Harry Gregg survived the 1958 air disaster that killed eight of his teammates. He says only getting back to training stopped him from going mad.

A survivor of the 1958 Munich air disaster that killed 23 people, including eight Manchester United football players, has spoken about how he had to ask his family to leave him alone to watch the details of this week’s Chapecoense team plane crash as it unfolded.

Former United goalkeeper Harry Gregg said that watching the news of the crash in which 71 people including players, staff, journalists and crew died inevitably brought back memories of Munich.

“When the story broke I asked my wife if I could sit alone in the television room as I did not want anyone with me. I wanted to watch it but with no family in the same room with me, because I didn’t know what way to react. It’s very, very difficult to describe, I cannot describe the sensation of watching it.”

He also talked about how he coped with the aftermath of Munich and the advice he would give to survivors from Chapecoense. The Brazilian football team had chartered the plane to take them to the Colombian city of Medellin, where they were due to play in the final of the Copa Sudamericana. Seventy-one people including players, staff, journalists and crew died in the crash earlier this week. Six people, including three of the players, survived.

Gregg said that after climbing out of the Munich plane wreckage and surviving the crash that killed so many of the Busby Babes, he devised a psychological survival strategy to cope with the horrors he had witnessed.

Recalling the days, weeks and months after 6 February 1958, Harry stated that he came through only because he got back on to the training field as soon as possible.

“If I had to sit in my home I would have gone mad. Sitting there with the thoughts of all that had happened, all those terrible things I had seen, I just knew that I had to get out. Because the press were swirling around us, with the world’s media camped out at Old Trafford, we trained instead at the old White City stadium in Manchester where no one was allowed in.

“That was the best thing that happened to me and I think the other survivors; to get down to White City and kick the living s**t out of each other on the training field once more,” he said.

Gregg added: “To get into the White City actually saved me. To argue, to fight, to train on the pitch and to be involved once more in training. It stopped me from going insane over what had happened to us all out there on the Munich runway.”

Speaking from his home near Coleraine on Northern Ireland’s county Londonderry coastline,
the former Northern Ireland goalkeeper who was a few months after Munich awarded the accolade of ”best goalie in the world” for his exploits in the 1958 World Cup, had words of comfort for one Brazilian man he spoke to this week.

“A Brazilian journalist rang me shortly after the crash in Colombia to get my reaction to this disaster as a survivor of Munich. I told him what I always tell people when they ask me about Munich. I said to him that I feel for everyone on board the aircraft that crashed in Colombia.

“Just as in Munich the focal point is on the players but what about the others who died alongside them? At Munich, I lost my friends and fellow players but there were others on board including one of the country’s greatest journalists at the time.

“When I told this Brazilian man this he said to me, ‘Harry Gregg, I am so glad that you remembered everyone who died on the plane because I lost three friends on that aircraft who were sports journalists.’ As with Munich the focus might be on the lost players but I told him we should never forget the others who died. I hope that gave this Brazilian journalist some comfort, as he was grieving too.”

Gregg, who was at one time the most expensive goalkeeper in the world, is now, alongside Bobby Charlton, one of the last two living survivors of the Munich crash.

After watching alone the reports from Colombia and Brazil, the 84-year-old said he was drawn back to that freezing winter’s day 58 years ago. “I can still remember the pilot Capt James Thain, a hero of the second world war, shouting at me as I regained consciousness and trying to kick a hole through the fuselage, to get away from the aircraft. I can still hear him crying, ‘Run, you stupid b*****d, it’s going to explode.’
“I can still see Matt Busby lying outside the aircraft ... a tiny cut just behind his ear and him rubbing his chest complaining that he could not feel his legs. I can recall trying to find my school friend, Jackie Blanchflower from Northern Ireland, in the plane and hearing him crying out. All those memories came flooding back this week when I watched what had happened to the plane from Brazil to Colombia.

“And all I can keep saying to the survivors, to the club, to their loved ones is that I only kept going by getting back on to the training field even while Matt Busby was still in hospital. By putting us behind closed doors in the White City, United saved me from going insane.”
 
That's a hard read. Thanks for posting it. I'm glad he decided to talk about it.
 
AC Milan jersey with Chapocoense logo during the match against Crotone.

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Just read a tweet claiming that Ronaldinho has come out of retirement to sign for Chapocoense and will play for them for free.

Not sure if true but, if it is, that's very classy from the man. Respect.
 
Just read a tweet claiming that Ronaldinho has come out of retirement to sign for Chapocoense and will play for them for free.

Not sure if true but, if it is, that's very classy from the man. Respect.
Apparently him, Juan Roman Riquelme and Eidur Gudjohnsen have all made offers.
 
Shocking story. They basically died because of greed of the airlines owner and had so many opportunities to land successfully if the pilot declared emergency. Even other planes declaring need to land because of small weird malfunction in one case was such a tragic coincidence. So many things had to happen simultaneously for them to end up crashing and they all had.

Authorizing this flight with plane's range being 12 miles above the full route was plain nonsense as it was clear from the numbers they would not even get close to carrying the minimum required fuel.
 
Apparently Puyol attended the official funeral at the stadium INSTEAD of joining the clasico.

This guy has always been pure class. One of the mo st impressive sports men I have ever seen in my entire life and a guy I seriously miss in today’s football world.

One of those if even not THE player I had always been upset he never played for us – LEGEND!

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Gudjohnsen may as well have tweeted 'I don't really give a shit about them I just want to play with Ronaldinho again'
 
Gudjohnsen may as well have tweeted 'I don't really give a shit about them I just want to play with Ronaldinho again'

Why?

Surely he's as touched as every other human at their plight. He's just in a position where he can help.
 
Why?

Surely he's as touched as every other human at their plight. He's just in a position where he can help.
Probably. Just think he could have worded his tweet a bit better. Maybe something along the lines of 'it would also be a joy to play with Ronaldinho again' as opposed to 'if not just to play with Ronaldinho again'.
 


With the encouragement of Atletico Nacional, CONMEBOL have decided to award the Copa Sudamericana and prize money to Chapecoense.

It also means that they'll qualify for the Copa Libertadores next season.
 
Imagine if they somehow managed to win it next season. Would be amazing.
 
Fair play to Atletico Nacional. Think the whole world will be cheering for them in the Club World Cup.
 
Wow, major compassion failure, assuming it's true.

Chapecoense fined after failing to fulfil fixture against Atletico Mineiro despite plane crash

Chapecoense have been fined €28,300 after failing to fulfil their final fixture of the season against Atletico Mineiro.

Nineteen players from the Brazilian club were among 71 killed in a plane crash earlier this month while travelling to their Copa Sudamericana final match against Colombian side Atletico Nacional.

Just three of the team - defender Alan Luciano Ruschel, reserve goalkeeper Jackson Ragnar Follmann and centre-back Helio Hermito Zampier Neto - were named among only six survivors of the accident.
The final round of the Brazilian championship was on December 1, but it was agreed the match against Mineiro would not be played as a result of the tragedy.

Their opponents had also booked their place in the first phase of the Copa Libertadores, so a 3-0 reverse was recorded for both clubs.

However, the Superior Court of Justice has decided to punish both clubs for failing to fulfil the fixture.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chapecoense-fined-after-failing-fulfil-9442050
 
The Superior Court of Justice wants to give their heads a wobble. That's ridiculous.
 


Was just reading that article and I hope it's true. A letter from our chairman, outlining our experience as a club in such a situation and offering any advice which may help the rebuilding effort, as well as any financial or even player loan support if they want it.

This is much better than a grand, public "look at how nice a club we are!" gesture. It's easy to look generous and charitable in the aftermath of a tragedy. It would be great if United's unique understanding of what's ahead of Chapecoense could be useful during their long term rebuild.
 
I hope this is true. It's the least we can do.
 
Played their first game yesterday drawing 2-2 with Palmerias.
 
Looked like it was impossible a few games ago but they've just qualified for the playoff of next year's Libertadores after a last minute goal in the last round of the league.

 
Nosse Chape - TV documentary
I just watched Nossa Chape on Fox Sports.

If you’ve got any way to watch it, I highly recommend it.

The show spends a little time covering the history of the club, it’s dream season, the crash, and then how the club rebuilt (both good and bad) after the tragedy on a football and personal level.

Interviews with survivors, new additions to the team, the players’ widows, etc.

Really moving and really well done.