POLL ADDED: Would you want Jose Mourinho as the next Manchester United manager?

Would you want Jose Mourinho as manager of Manchester United?


  • Total voters
    1,413
  • Poll closed .
Obvs can't hire Jose Mourinho till the summer - he's the one IMO

For those against appointing Mourinho, I say we simply cannot risk not hiring him and increasing the likelihood of not attaining top4.

No top4 = defo no Pep and anyone else of that calibre


So whats the point of your first post in bold then? You just want Mourinho in full stop , never mind Pep or anyone else. And why is it obvious that we can't hire him until the summer when he is doing everything possible to get himself the job now. Oooh Real Madrid want me you better be quick while I'm still available, the usual behind the scenes manipulative slimey nonsense. He is not what Utd need imo.
 
Yes I want him but I hope he goes to Madrid just to disappoint the people that actually buys this shit.
:lol:

As I said in the Civil war LVG out thread - at least the board will get the idea of who the fans want. I don't particularly care for him but if it's between him and Giggs - Jose all the way.
 
I've just changed my vote to yes. Can't stand Jose, but the thought of more possible misery with Giggs in charge has swayed me:(
 
Let him go elsewhere to prove he hasn't completely lost the plot, get in Pep for 3-4 years of success leaving behind a world class team that Mourinho can come in and add to with a blank cheque.

= United domination, again.
But the chances of getting Pep are slim. We should have been tapping him up a long time ago. I fear it's probably too late now...
 
There's no 'I' in 'team'. Or in 'United' apparently.
 
There's no 'I' in 'team'. Or in 'United' apparently.
Just can't wait for all this to be over. LVG needs to go before he looses his sanity. And fans and the club need a break from the bad feeling all around.
 
This isn't an argument to make you reconsider your stance, or maybe change you mind mate, because everyone is entitled to their opinion - and that's fair enough.

But wrt the part quoted above, he fell out with the players/ upper management at Real Madrid and Chelsea - clubs that have a history of players running the show in collusion with the presidents who have their own favorites, and keeping managers on a short leash - with a list of insta-sacked managers that includes Champions League winners Juup Heyneckes and Carlo Ancelotti; La Liga winner Fabio Capello, two times Champions League/ La Liga winner Vicente del Bosque, and Manuel Pellegrini. Since the ousting of Del Bosque in 2003 (for reaching the semi-finals of the Champions League, and winning La Liga - how very dare he!) - Real Madrid have appointed 12 managers in 12 seasons - and José lasted the longest. At Chelsea, they appointed 7 different managers in 6 years between Mourinho I and Mourinho II. So we must consider the modus operandi of the cubs he's managed. At Porto, he had to leave because the players were going to get poached, and they were not at the elite level of European football. At Internazionale, the call of Real Madrid was too enticing to resist (no one can resist Madrid because of their history and accomplishments, plus he would have the chance to overtake Pep in the league - which he did in his second season).

Also, José is a very complex character - but people only see the bad in him, and it's imperative that we understand what makes him act in certain ways. This is someone who was told he didn't have the physique to be a footballer like his father Félix Mourinho. He was a scout, a youth team coach, a coach in god knows what division of Portugal with Estrela da Amadora, a translator, a training coach, an assistant. He worked his way from the very bottom - step by step, after being considered a failure as a footballer, and people like that always have a tendency to be snappy when they taste success because they always think they have something to prove to the naysayers. This is why he is so bitter towards Barcelona (who still consider him to be a mere interpreter for Bobby Robson). This is why he's petulant and arrogant - something that was fueled even more because of his meteoric success.

However, for the first time in his career, Mourinho has faced major failure as a manager - first at Real Madrid and now at Chelsea. There's a train of thought that says he's a broken man, or he's taken a step back and will never be the same; but I honestly believe all these events (and the poor health of Félix Mourinho because of brain surgery) will make him reconsider his stance as a manager, and maybe humble him a bit. Then you talk about United, and we indulge our manager - give him the sort of power he wouldn't have at Madrid or Chelsea under Florentino and Roman - something that was the root of superficial issues at both clubs. Plus, even back in 2004, Mourinho said he wanted to manage United and Liverpool at England. When was the last time he said something disrespectful towards United? Never, right? His biographer said he was distraught after David was appointed as Fergie's replacement. This is the job he's wanted, and the timing couldn't be better - a disgraced manager joining forces with a club that has lost its hallow, so to speak.

Also, wrt the pragmaticism part too - in all his seasons as a full time manager, José has never finished outside of the league's top 2 in terms of scoring apart from the 2013/ 2014 season at Chelsea - where they finished 3rd. That's a hell of a record for someone who's been stereotyped as a defensive coach primarily because of his big game tactics where being cautious can be the difference between winning and losing - because margins are wafer thin. Even Fergie's United played some dreary football for the first half decade of his tenure, our first League winning team under him was extremely functional; and again in Europe after THAT defeat to Real Madrid. So it's not like United has always played champagne football, even under Fergie. If we get Mourinho the attacking pieces he needs, he can build a beautiful counter-attack like he did with Madrid (who averaged 108 league goals per year under him, and set a new record for goals in a Liga season).

His career overall is a bit misunderstood IMO, and he's just a very easy character to hate (in the genuine sense of the term - not pop lingo) because of his pompous nature - which can color objective arguments (not saying you weren't objective in the assessment mind, far from it - and again it's just a matter of opinion, which is perfectly fine).
That's a great post! I voted yes, even if I don't like him; this sort of post is instructive: perhaps my view of him is too coloured by his antics.

Anyhow, phone him up Woody.
 
That's a great post! I voted yes, even if I don't like him; this sort of post is instructive: perhaps my view of him is too coloured by his antics.

Anyhow, phone him up Woody.
It's not a great post, its a post which asks you to look at all the negative things you know about Mourinho and ignore them,sign him up anyway cos it is the easiest option for the club. What you should be doing is looking closely at his career and looking at the positives and negatives, weighing them against each other and coming to the conclusion that he is long term toxic for every club he has been at. Also you have to judge whether his football ethos fits the clubs historical ethos and if they don't (they don't) are you willing to sell that history down the swanny for a possible short term gain.
Also if Mourinho comes in here and Pep comes in at City, do you want Utd to be Mourinhos vehicle to espouse his anti football ethos while Pep has City playing beautiful passing football? Or do you want some third coach getting Utd to play some form of attacking football you could be proud of. I hope the club does not let the lust for short term success push it into a decision they knew was not right two years ago. The only thing that has changed in the meantime is Mourinho has lost even more of his gloss.
 
Imagine if Mourinho attends the match tonight.. Scenes! :lol:

He said he wouldn't attend any high profile games to avoid exactly this scenario. In reality he'd love to be there I assume.
 
It's not a great post, its a post which asks you to look at all the negative things you know about Mourinho and ignore them,sign him up anyway cos it is the easiest option for the club. What you should be doing is looking closely at his career and looking at the positives and negatives, weighing them against each other and coming to the conclusion that he is long term toxic for every club he has been at. Also you have to judge whether his football ethos fits the clubs historical ethos and if they don't (they don't) are you willing to sell that history down the swanny for a possible short term gain.
Also if Mourinho comes in here and Pep comes in at City, do you want Utd to be Mourinhos vehicle to espouse his anti football ethos while Pep has City playing beautiful passing football? Or do you want some third coach getting Utd to play some form of attacking football you could be proud of. I hope the club does not let the lust for short term success push it into a decision they knew was not right two years ago. The only thing that has changed in the meantime is Mourinho has lost even more of his gloss.
Well I think it is a great post. Whether you you agree with that is another matter. I think it is great post because it give the context which gives some insight into some of Mourhino's behaviour. I don't how you have come to the conclusion that it is trying to ignore it. He also makes some important points about why Mourhino may be a better fit for united than some of his previous clubs.

Clearly, you don't like Jose, but I think it is over-egging to say he has been toxic at every club he has been at: I would think Chelsea and, certainly, Porto will be glad he was there.
 
For those against appointing Mourinho, I say we simply cannot risk not hiring him and increasing the likelihood of not attaining top4.

No top4 = defo no Pep and anyone else of that calibre


So whats the point of your first post in bold then? You just want Mourinho in full stop , never mind Pep or anyone else. And why is it obvious that we can't hire him until the summer when he is doing everything possible to get himself the job now. Oooh Real Madrid want me you better be quick while I'm still available, the usual behind the scenes manipulative slimey nonsense. He is not what Utd need imo.
Yep get him in full stop. He wants it, we need him. Pep seems to want us to do a feckin peacock dance for him, turns me off.
 
Well I think it is a great post. Whether you you agree with that is another matter. I think it is great post because it give the context which gives some insight into some of Mourhino's behaviour. I don't how you have come to the conclusion that it is trying to ignore it. He also makes some important points about why Mourhino may be a better fit for united than some of his previous clubs.

Clearly, you don't like Jose, but I think it is over-egging to say he has been toxic at every club he has been at: I would think Chelsea and, certainly, Porto will be glad he was there.
I said long term toxic, I did not say clubs were not happy to have him at all but that his modus operandi tends to be go in, burn bright, burn out and leave a divided dressing room and a club in a mess. His post asks me to believe that Mourhino's last two failures and the ill health of his father will have left him a humbler man more suitable to Utd, that's a huge leap to make with zero proof, he will be the same old self obsessed Jose I reckon. Of course if you think it's a great post that's completely up to you, I just disagree with all of it that's all. Each to there own and all that.:)
 
I said long term toxic, I did not say clubs were not happy to have him at all but that his modus operandi tends to be go in, burn bright, burn out and leave a divided dressing room and a club in a mess. His post asks me to believe that Mourhino's last two failures and the ill health of his father will have left him a humbler man more suitable to Utd, that's a huge leap to make with zero proof, he will be the same old self obsessed Jose I reckon. Of course if you think it's a great post that's completely up to you, I just disagree with all of it that's all. Each to there own and all that.:)

Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
 
Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
Humble wasn't my choice of word, I was quoting a pro Mourinho post from Invictus, try and keep up before you have your little rants. Also people who don't believe Mourinho is right for the club are not necessarily arrogant,they are probably just smarter and better all round than you shallow and dimwitted Mourinho fanbois.:smirk:
 
Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
Totally agree with this.
Not even about Mourinho, but if we continue to have this superiority complex and frankly, a sense of delusion, we'll pass everyone up and be in a massive hole and wonder why it's all failing when we keep giving jobs to managers with personalities not big enough.
 
Totally agree with this.
Not even about Mourinho, but if we continue to have this superiority complex and frankly, a sense of delusion, we'll pass everyone up and be in a massive hole and wonder why it's all failing when we keep giving jobs to managers with personalities not big enough.
This.

If we don't appoint Jose Mourinho within the next week or two, I have to question the sanity of the people who run the club.
 
Totally agree with this.
Not even about Mourinho, but if we continue to have this superiority complex and frankly, a sense of delusion, we'll pass everyone up and be in a massive hole and wonder why it's all failing when we keep giving jobs to managers with personalities not big enough.
Yep the superiority complex is nice only when you are at top (Barca), in which case it might be seem as arrogance. When you are midtable and still have it, is called delusion.
 
Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.

Yep
 
The problem I have with José is that it would a short term solution with virtually no benefits for the future, and that's if he wins.
Van Gaal is here for another 1.5 years, we have to find someone after that point anyway.