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It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.

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It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

What tosh. Apart from anything else, do you think ths new conract will involve him playing for free? If we're as impressed with him as I hope we are, and serious about getting him to stay, then this is Adnan's first big pay-day. He'd be mad to turn down thousands of pounds a week plus the chance to continue his career at United.

For every kid that makes it through our acadamy there are dozens who get the boot and play out their careers at a lower level, and hundred who don't even go on to become professional footballers. You think they are all feeling sorry for Januzaj and the terrible situation he finds himself in?
 
The horrible shackle of a pay rise.

And the death knell to any young footballer's career: a loan move.
 
It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.

Terrible post. Firstly, not all players are utterly mercenary all the time, despite the impression the media likes to give. Maybe Januzaj, inside the club's structure rather than speculating from outside like us, trusts Moyes and has faith in his own ability to break through.

Plus I imagine there's a serious pay rise involved. Hardly a 'shackle'.

And where are you getting the idea that 'DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan?' Purely from that one tweet? It's speculation, and even if the tweet is accurate it says that Januzaj has the choice of whether he wants to go out on loan or not.
 
I don't want to say it, but your tagline is apt with this post. How can you say he'd be foolish to accept a contract at united? Were you one of the ones moaning that we didn't offer Pogba a contract sooner?

Yes, I knew it'd be a controversial post. But I was looking at it from the player's point of view, not the club's. Obviously, tying a great young talent to the club for the next five years is good for United. And should have been done with Pogba.

But if I were this kid, I'd think twice or thrice. If he signs a 5 year deal at relatively small money, he's putting his future in the hands of David Moyes. All Januzaj knows about DM is that, despite already looking better than our established wingers, he wants to send him out on loan. I'd at least wait until January to see how things work out.

Having said that, I hope he does sign. :D
 
Yes, I knew it'd be a controversial post. But I was looking at it from the player's point of view, not the club's. Obviously, tying a great young talent to the club for the next five years is good for United. And should have been done with Pogba.

But if I were this kid, I'd think twice or thrice. If he signs a 5 year deal at relatively small money, he's putting his future in the hands of David Moyes. All Januzaj knows about DM is that, despite already looking better than our established wingers, he wants to send him out on loan. I'd at least wait until January to see how things work out.

Having said that, I hope he does sign. :D
Utter bellend!
 
Januzaj has played more than any of our established wingers in pre-season so it's not surprise he's looked better!

I'd rather keep him and give him chances in the first team but a good loan at a premier league club would be brilliant.
 
It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.

Three things that your argument is possibly not the best:

1) He'll get more money with the new contract
2) He may have a sympathy (or love) and loyalty to United
3) He won't have a lot of chances to play this season if he decides to not sign the contract. See Nani last year.
 
It was addressed to the post above, which didn't contain much argument. If you were Januzaj, would you sign? (assuming he's not being offered big money.)

I'll answer that question when you answer mine, on the third time of asking: where did you get the notion that Moyes has decided to loan him out? That one 'ITK' tweet? Also, while we're at it, on what basis are you assuming 'he's not being offered big money'?
 
It was addressed to the post above, which didn't contain much argument. If you were Januzaj, would you sign? (assuming he's not being offered big money.)


I'd expect him to be offered a minimum of £15-20k a week plus bonuses.
 
It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.
I think the fact he's been offered a five year deal at 18 shows what David Moyes' intentions are, he obviously feels he's a very talented player. I'm thankful you're not his agent.
 
Three things that your argument is possibly not the best:

1) He'll get more money with the new contract
2) He may have a sympathy (or love) and loyalty to United
3) He won't have a lot of chances to play this season if he decides to not sign the contract. See Nani last year.

Your third point is probably the strongest, and may weigh most heavily with the player and his people. From Januzaj's point of view, a loan to a Prem club might be acceptable, but the Mail story actually mentioned a Championship loan, which would be an invitation to a season long kicking.
 
Will Absolute acting like an absolute bellend again. Another attention whoring post from him.
 
The horrible shackle of a pay rise.

And the death knell to any young footballer's career: a loan move.


Certainly hurted Welbeck and Evans career. Look at their career now :(
 
Gotta feel sorry for Januzaj. Imagine being offered a five year deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world and also getting a pay rise :(

Poor footballers.
 
Will Absolute acting like an absolute bellend again. Another attention whoring post from him.

It's an honest opinion, for God's sake. All I'm saying is that if I were Januzaj, I'd be very wary of what I sign at this critical stage of my career. And I bet if you were in the same position, so would you.

@ Brightonian

I'm assuming that the reported loan story is true. If DM put an arm around Januzaj's shoulder and said, 'You'll be staying at OT and part of the rotation, son.', that's a different matter. After all, Januzaj has said publicly he doesn't want a loan.
 
All Januzaj knows about DM is that, despite already looking better than our established wingers, he wants to send him out on loan.

Yes, if I was a highly promising 18 year old footballer at United with no competitive appearances to my, I'd be distraught at the thought of going to a club where I could play regularly and show everybody what I can do, rather than sit on the bench at Old Trafford all season getting the od 5 minutes, onyl to be judged a flop if I didn't rip up trees in those occasional appearances.

We should also bear in mind that if he signs a 5 year contract, there is no mechansim whatsoever by which he could leave the club within that period, even he is judged not to be good enough to make the first team. He'll just rot in the reserves until he's 23, and even then the retain and transfer system means we wouldn't have to let him go to another club. We wouldn't even have to offer him abnother contract, he might never play again!
 
It's an honest opinion, for God's sake. All I'm saying is that if I were Januzaj, I'd be very wary of what I sign at this critical stage of my career. And I bet if you were in the same position, so would you.

@ Brightonian

I'm assuming that the reported loan story is true. If DM put an arm around Januzaj's shoulder and said, 'You'll be staying at OT and part of the rotation, son.', that's a different matter. After all, Januzaj has said publicly he doesn't want a loan.

How is he at a critical stage of his career? He is 18 years old! Even if he saw out his 5 year contract he would be 23 years old and will have plenty of years left by then.
 
A sore point after Pogba it seems. Its still true though, there's no reason Adnan couldn't wait it out in the hope his performances earn him a greater wage. Loving the club and wanting more money aren't mutually exclusive.
 
As with pogba, if he feels he's ready and strongly believes in himself, then I don't have any issues with him wanting to get the best option to show his abilities on a bigger stage. Whether, like pogba, he is actually ready is a different matter. In an ideal world (for us), these young talents would have love to wait for their opportunity to eventually come. But the world isn't ideal for us, and these chaps have a right to look after their own best interests. I hope he does sign, but if he wants certain reassurances I hope we give them to him if we have real faith in him as a footballer.
 
How is he at a critical stage of his career? He is 18 years old! Even if he saw out his 5 year contract he would be 23 years old and will have plenty of years left by then.
A footballers career is short and players are getting better and a younger age. If they see themselves as ready at 18 and believe in themselves there's nothing wrong with that. This is complete conjecture, but he might think he's too good to get loaned to some average team. The whole "he's just 18!" doesn't work with really talented kids because players of that age too do make it big often as we've seen in he premier league itself in recent years not to mention elsewhere.
 
What some of you are forgetting is that he won't be stuck on the same contract for 5 years. If he does well and impresses he'll be given pay rises.
 
It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.


The whole post is absolute waste of bandwidth.
 
The Pogba and Januzaj situations are totally different so making comparisons serves little purpose.

Virtually every club in the world signs their best youngsters up to long term contracts as a matter of common practice. Why we wouldn't do the same to Januzaj is beyond me.

Additionally, he will be 22 in his last year of the deal and in a much stronger position to negotiate if he turns out to be as good as we hope, and at that age nowhere near his peak.
 
The Pogba and Januzaj situations are totally different so making comparisons serves little purpose.

Virtually every club in the world signs their best youngsters up to long term contracts as a matter of common practice. Why we wouldn't do the same to Januzaj is beyond me.

Additionally, he will be 22 in his last year of the deal and in a much stronger position to negotiate if he turns out to be as good as we hope, and at that age nowhere near his peak.

I suppose I should apologise if my post gave the impression the club were somehow wrong to offer Januzaj a 5 year deal. I don't. It's the right thing to do.

Unless he's being offered big money, I don't think it's the best thing for him though. As I said, he'd do better to stand pat, play a few games, get a bit more exposure, and his bargaining position would greatly improve. He's a big talent - why tie himself to a relatively low wage contract for 5 years? Particularly when the deal doesn't involve playing for United, which is what he wants.
 
I suppose I should apologise if my post gave the impression the club were somehow wrong to offer Januzaj a 5 year deal. I don't. It's the right thing to do.

Unless he's being offered big money, I don't think it's the best thing for him though. As I said, he'd do better to stand pat, play a few games, get a bit more exposure, and his bargaining position would greatly improve. He's a big talent - why tie himself to a relatively low wage contract for 5 years? Particularly when the deal doesn't involve playing for United, which is what he wants.

The deal doesn't involve playing for United? Which team will he play for?
 
We have a good history of giving new contracts to those players who outperform their current deal, so the long contract shouldn't be an issue. If anything, it is security for a young player if their progression stalls.
 
It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.

If only we could still post non-football related GIFs in the football forums. I can think of quite a few appropriate ones off the top of my head.
 
Particularly when the deal doesn't involve playing for United, which is what he wants.

So if he wants to play for United, his best option is to turn down a contract with United, right? I'm glad your not his (or anybody's) agent...

Which club do you think he should sign for? Or should he do without all this contract nonsense and just play for who he feels like, and hope they'll pay him some money in return?

It's an honest opinion, for God's sake. All I'm saying is that if I were Januzaj, I'd be very wary of what I sign at this critical stage of my career. And I bet if you were in the same position, so would you.

I would. And if one of the biggest clubs in the world offered me a 5 year contract I'd bite their hand off.
 
So if he wants to play for United, his best option is to turn down a contract with United, right? I'm glad your not his (or anybody's) agent...

Which club do you think he should sign for? Or should he do without all this contract nonsense and just play for who he feels like, and hope they'll pay him some money in return?



I would. And if one of the biggest clubs in the world offered me a 5 year contract I'd bite their hand off.

From what he's said publicly, he wants to play for United now, not in three years. If United don't offer that opportunity, he may prefer, and it may be in his best interests, to do a Pogba. Or a Rossi. Or a Pique. This is hardly a novel situation. At any rate, it'd make sense, from his point of view, to keep his options open.

United offer contracts to young players who end up with championship careers. One of the best young players in world football can hardly be expected to prostrate himself with gratitude.

I'm trying to look at things realistically, without United tinted specs. He's not a local boy, and we shouldn't expect him to behave like one.

He may have developed an affection for the club, but I've noticed that what he says in interviews is carefully phrased, essentially non-committal. Remember this is a player who has held off committing even to a national team. His head is likely to rule his heart.
 
Not wearing United specs= Putting a ridiculously negative spin on everything and talking utter bullshit probably for attention whoring,
 
He'll get some games. If nothing else, he's bound to play loads of cup games, the way Moyes has been using him. As for league games, the season is always longer than you think it is. When we got Jones people were saying that what with Vidic, Rio, Evans and Smalling all already jockeying for two positions, he wouldn't get much game time. And yet we still managed to rack up enough injuries that Carrick had to play games at CB.

Hernandez shouldn't be on that list, since he'll pretty much exclusively be getting run-outs in the CF position, rotating with RVP. So there's a similar ratio to the CB situation, just over two players per position, for the three AM/winger positions. That should be enough for Januzaj to get a few league run-outs in addition to his cup appearances. Impress enough, and he'll win himself more chances.


Well you'd hope so, the difference I would say with the defence is that we've been notorious with injuries there and in particularl have had to deal with a long term injury to Vidic, which also required him to be eased back in and similarly Rio's back meaning he can only play a few games. Even then Jones has had to get games playing in the middle.

In contrast the issues with the wingers last season was quite out of the ordinary in terms of there collective poor forms and then quite a length injury to Nani. This season you'd hope to see improvements there and also as I said we've added Zaha who will need game time as well. Personally I would include Hernandez in the list as there's no reason that in a lot of easier home games he wouldn't be looking to start upfront with RVP, so should be factored in. As for the two positions for each role it rarely works like that. Welbeck for example can arguable be competing for either spot upfront and a wide spot and if Rooney does stay you can easily see Welbeck getting games outwide.

As I said I'm sure he will get game time in the cups, I just think he's good enough that he could be involved in league games in some capacity as well, but with the sheer numbers we have it's unlikely, it'll hard to get on the bench let alone play. Fergie himself commented it was hard to keep people happy last season and as I've said we had the issue with the wingers that season and bedding in Kagawa. So I reckon it will be even tougher this year and adding Januzaj and Zaha just make it even tougher. A good problem usually but can't help but feel we are a little over stocked.
 
Not wearing United specs= Putting a ridiculously negative spin on everything and talking utter bullshit probably for attention whoring,

Have it your own way. We'll see what he does.

As I said, I hope he signs.

(The best hope is that we offered him a ton of money)
 
so I leave this thread for few hours and come back and the thread's been trolled.
 
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