Adnan Januzaj

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Stack said:
I think he is ready, now all he has to do is force his way past those ahead of him in the positions that Moyes sees him working in. Hopefully he gets games in the league cup but he looks ready to me.
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Problem is we're ridiculously stacked with attacking players atm, it might be hard for him to get a look in outside the cups. When you think about it, with RVP playing the majority of matches there's 3 spots to split between Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, Valencia, Young, Zaha and then Januzaj. I think Fergie said last season it was hard to keep people happy and we were fortunate the winger had injuries/were playing poorly so they couldn't demand a spot. This season we've added Zaha to the squad and looking to promote Januzaj it just looks crazy to fit everyone in without good timings with injuries.

I hope he gets decent time though as the more football he gets the better he'll progress. Said elsewhere that at least one person has to leave, preferably Young.
 
That's a very impressive video. He has something of that Ronaldo-ish ability to make things happen when he gets the ball.
 
Ash_G said:
Problem is we're ridiculously stacked with attacking players atm, it might be hard for him to get a look in outside the cups. When you think about it, with RVP playing the majority of matches there's 3 spots to split between Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, Valencia, Young, Zaha and then Januzaj. I think Fergie said last season it was hard to keep people happy and we were fortunate the winger had injuries/were playing poorly so they couldn't demand a spot. This season we've added Zaha to the squad and looking to promote Januzaj it just looks crazy to fit everyone in without good timings with injuries.

I hope he gets decent time though as the more football he gets the better he'll progress. Said elsewhere that at least one person has to leave, preferably Young.
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He'll get some games. If nothing else, he's bound to play loads of cup games, the way Moyes has been using him. As for league games, the season is always longer than you think it is. When we got Jones people were saying that what with Vidic, Rio, Evans and Smalling all already jockeying for two positions, he wouldn't get much game time. And yet we still managed to rack up enough injuries that Carrick had to play games at CB.

Hernandez shouldn't be on that list, since he'll pretty much exclusively be getting run-outs in the CF position, rotating with RVP. So there's a similar ratio to the CB situation, just over two players per position, for the three AM/winger positions. That should be enough for Januzaj to get a few league run-outs in addition to his cup appearances. Impress enough, and he'll win himself more chances.
 
All I learned from that was that Liverpool have some ridiculously dirty players at that age group. Luckily those throwing in the terrible tackles will never make it. Also brave from Adnan to keep at them.
 
According to this Belgian journalist on twitter who covers all the Belgians in the Premier League says Adnan will sign a new contract until 2018. Could be loaned to a smaller club.



Good news?
 
smaller team? that would be any of 19 other Premiership clubs and the rest in the country. ;)

i would not mind him going out on loan to be honest. a club with good footballing style like Swansea could be good for him, granted he gets minutes on the pitch. if not, the championship is still a good option.
 
ricky-romeo said:
smaller team? that would be any of 19 other Premiership clubs and the rest in the country. ;)

i would not mind him going out on loan to be honest. a club with good footballing style like Swansea could be good for him, granted he gets minutes on the pitch. if not, the championship is still a good option.
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Nah, I don't think he should be anywhere near the championship. It would be a good footballing learning experience for him I suppose, but he would be much better off in a team that can play good football.

He's good enough for the premier league IMO anyway, not to be thrown straight in at the deep end, but ease him in and he'll do we'll.
 
Hope the contract news is true, but not 100% comfortable with him going out on loan. He's good enough to be around our first team to play cup games and be weaned into the league for us.

As for potential clubs, I think he'd be a good loan signing for Everton (depending on how they are utilizing Deulofeu, it sounds like he's gonna take time to adapt) or Southampton, or maybe a midtable Spanish club.
 
Think he's one we should be keeping close to us. He's the perfect sort of player to give minutes to, we can't feck this one up. Versatile, mature and hugely talented.

I honestly think any minutes we were are thinking of giving Young we should be given to Januzaj. If we need a more solid option on the wing, play Welbeck.
 
Great news if the contract thing is correct.
I think he should stay here and be given chances in our first team though. I truly believe he has what it takes.
 
Genius Me! said:
Nah, I don't think he should be anywhere near the championship. It would be a good footballing learning experience for him I suppose, but he would be much better off in a team that can play good football.

He's good enough for the premier league IMO anyway, not to be thrown straight in at the deep end, but ease him in and he'll do we'll.
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The way they are being with us at the moment, I doubt it will be Everton, unless we use him as a sweetner to get Fellaini/Baines.
 
If he goes out on loan, he should be able to get minutes with a good team. After all, he's showing signs at the moment that he'd do ok for United. And if he's almost good enough for United, then he should be good enough to play for plenty of PL teams.

I'd rather he didn't, though. I think he can get enough game time here, between the cups and a few league appearances here and there.

Either way, a contract till 2018 would be excellent news.
 
It's always a risk though. Those good passing teams already have good passing players, there's no free pass into their first XI. Januzaj has the quality and potential to outperform the incumbent players, but is an unknown. You never really know if the loan club manager is going to have the balls to give him a go or just stick with their safe option and leave him languishing on the bench.
 
We have good passing players too, better in fact, so he will still stand more of a chance getting on their team than ours, and will be playing the right brand of football too.

Not too fussed about which club he will end up being loaned to as minutes is what will be important, but there seems to be one or two that seem a better fit.
 
Fergus' son said:
We have good passing players too, better in fact, so he will still stand more of a chance getting on their team than ours, and will be playing the right brand of football too.
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True, but we have more motivation to play him. If we loan him and the loan club end up opting to stick with their current safer option, it's no skin off their nose. Plus we know what he can do, whereas aside from a few friendly performances the loan club will only have our word to go on about how good he is.

Obviously the principle of loaning to a smaller team so that he's up against worse players and therefore has more chance of playing is the whole point of a loan. But it doesn't always work out that way, which is the inherent risk.
 
If we are considering loaning him, it shouldn't be to the likes of Swansea or Everton. These kind of teams won't need to play him, at 18 he won't be better than their first teamers, and they'll rather play their own than a kid who's leaving at the end of the season. Rossi and Henriquez (Wigan had a lot of attackers) being examples of such cases.

Loan him to some poor team like Crystal Palace or Hull (or even lower, though I think he's good enough for PL as it is), where they'll have to play him, because he'll be better than what they've got, and playing him will increase their chances of staying up. I think he's good enough for that.
 
Donut said:
Loan him to some poor team like Crystal Palace or Hull (or even lower, though I think he's good enough for PL as it is), where they'll have to play him, because he'll be better than what they've got, and playing him will increase their chances of staying up. I think he's good enough for that.
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For me he's too good for that, but also too good to risk sitting on Everton/Swansea's bench, as you say. That's why ideally I'd rather we just kept him here and did our best to get him game time of one sort or another.

Across a long, full season, there are always games where injury and form leave gaps, no matter how strong the squad. As the Pogba martyrs so love to tell us, there were opportunities for him to play the season before he left which we didn't take. All we need to do is make sure with Januzaj we give him those opportunities. It might mean starting him ahead of Giggs now and then if Kagawa and Rooney are out injured or in a spell of poor form, for example. We have to be willing to do that sort of thing.
 
Welbeck got plenty of chances at Sunderland... maybe that sort of level would work? (Though not sure if Sunderland specifically is a good idea while they don't have a sane manager)
 
I just want him to sign the contract so that people can stop mentioning Pogba's name.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Welbeck got plenty of chances at Sunderland... maybe that sort of level would work? (Though not sure if Sunderland specifically is a good idea while they don't have a sane manager)
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I think it's the same sort of loan, it's just always a coin flip. There's always that game where you think 'their first choice has an injury, surely this is his chance'. Sometimes they get given that chance, and impress and end up a fixture in the side, like Welbeck did, or Cleverley at Wigan. Sometimes they inexplicably don't - like Henriquez at Wigan - and as a result they never really graduate from the bench. But it doesn't seem to bear much correlation to the quality of the team or the level of competition.

After all, Welbeck won his space when Sunderland had Bent and Gyan both shining. They actually changed their formation in order to fit him in alongside those two in a front 3. Henriquez, on the other hand, was on the bench for Wigan when Kone was epically failing to solve the goalscoring problems pushing them closer and closer to relegation, and still didn't get the chance.

Side note: Remember how entertaining that Sunderland team was to watch when Danny was there? His creativity, Gyan's explosiveness, Bent's clinical finishing. They made a tasty front three during that brief period when they were all fit and in form.
 
Brightonian said:
For me he's too good for that, but also too good to risk sitting on Everton/Swansea's bench, as you say. That's why ideally I'd rather we just kept him here and did our best to get him game time of one sort or another.

Across a long, full season, there are always games where injury and form leave gaps, no matter how strong the squad. As the Pogba martyrs so love to tell us, there were opportunities for him to play the season before he left which we didn't take. All we need to do is make sure with Januzaj we give him those opportunities. It might mean starting him ahead of Giggs now and then if Kagawa and Rooney are out injured or in a spell of poor form, for example. We have to be willing to do that sort of thing.
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Yep, Swansea/Everton would be ideal but he probably cannot break in the team and ultimately lose a year (though it is very likely that he can be a first team player there but can we take the risk).

I don't like the Pogba analogy, in midfield we had Carrick, returned Scholes, Giggs and injured Ando and Cleverley. Januzaj has to compete with Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Young, Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck and Giggs for one of the three positions behind the striker. Both the quality and the depth is much better than it was in midfield.

But yeah, in overall I agree with you. We should take the risk of playing him (be it at times before Giggs, or if Valencia and Young doesn't improve significantly) and if we can get him 15 matches (even if most of them are from bench) it would likely be the best option.
 
gooDevil said:
Pogs were really a low point in the 90s for me. When you make up a game worse than tiddlywinks...well, there it is.
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Yeah I just about remember pogs.

moyesmyhero said:
I've heard he could do things with pogs not even Messi could do.
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The mother fecker had my slammer, some cnut in the area stole some of my pogs/slammers and Joe fecking had them. I'm not even lying, he also once told me a joke which I've never forgot.
 
Revan said:
I don't like the Pogba analogy, in midfield we had Carrick, returned Scholes, Giggs and injured Ando and Cleverley. Januzaj has to compete with Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Young, Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck and Giggs for one of the three positions behind the striker. Both the quality and the depth is much better than it was in midfield.
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True, it's a weak analogy. A better one would be our defence: we have the same ratio of players to positions as we do for those 'AM trio' positions, and we still had to play Carrick for a few games last season. Like I say, the season is long, and opportunities always come one way or another.
 
Aint gota Kalou said:
According to this Belgian journalist on twitter who covers all the Belgians in the Premier League says Adnan will sign a new contract until 2018. Could be loaned to a smaller club.



Good news?
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It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.
 
jeston said:
Nope, players have to be born on or after 1st September 95 to be eligible. (Adnan is Feb 95)
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That's a shame, I know he's beyond that age group, but would have been nice for him to try help the team win it.

Will Absolute said:
It's not a 'reward', it's a shackle. He'd be foolish to accept.

If I were in his position, I'd sign nothing until the end of the season. He'll get plenty of offers, and little to lose by waiting to discover what his prospects are at OT, what kind of manager he'd be signing for, what confidence he has in him, what opportunities he'll be given, before committing his future to Moyes, who may believe that young players should be seen and not heard.

The fact that, despite his fantastic performance in pre-season, DM's first instinct is to send him out on loan, is ominous from Januzaj's point of view.
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I don't want to say it, but your tagline is apt with this post. How can you say he'd be foolish to accept a contract at united? Were you one of the ones moaning that we didn't offer Pogba a contract sooner?
 
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