I never thought it was that similar to be honest. I wouldn't have made the connection without being told.
"He's so fine" is very upbeat and poppy.
Led Zeppelin - greatest cover band ever?
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I never thought it was that similar to be honest. I wouldn't have made the connection without being told.
"He's so fine" is very upbeat and poppy.
There's another song it's ripped off from...I can't remember which one.
To be honest this has been know for decades, there's no new revelations here.
Towards the end of the interview they touched on what i think is at the heart of it when the influence of Peter Grant was mentioned in relation to royalties. The guy was a hardcore gangster and his attitude would have been "..you think i owe you something? Come and take it from me then." This would account for some of the lawsuits taking so long to come to court imo.
Led Zep took a lot from the blues, including the tradition of taking something and passing it off as your own which many of the old blues masters were guilty of if you care to research it.
Still legendary in my book, even if i don't agree with the thievery.
Towards the end of the interview they touched on what i think is at the heart of it when the influence of Peter Grant was mentioned in relation to royalties. The guy was a hardcore gangster and his attitude would have been "..you think i owe you something? Come and take it from me then." This would account for some of the lawsuits taking so long to come to court imo.
Led Zep took a lot from the blues, including the tradition of taking something and passing it off as your own which many of the old blues masters were guilty of if you care to research it.
Still legendary in my book, even if i don't agree with the thievery.
Not surprised, never been that big a fan of Zeppelin, but I must admit, if I ever learn that 'the Rain Song' was a rip off, I may just die a little inside
well summed up John.
I have read interviews where Plant and Page certainly give huge credit to the Blues masters.
I did not know the amount to which they 'stole'..but heck I am not going to stop listening to them.
Just love 'their' songs..every one of em..
Of course it doesn't effect the songs they've recorded. I'm not gonna stop listening to them either. But it makes them a far less interesting band, and I consider Page considerably less talented than I initially thought. And a bit more of a shit.
I'm sure he'll be gutted.
I'm sure he'll be gutted.
I heard that Page saw a painting of a twin-necked lute in that big country house where they recorded.
he will always remain one of the greatest guitarists ever. nothing can tarnish that.
and Led Zep brought on heavy metal. so they did push the envelope in music...
tbf I have heard of hints of plagiarism...though I did not study it so this is 'new' to me.
actually very surprised no legal action had been brought in as say the Harrison song's which was huge news.
I saw this a while back and there's still some debate about the whole Howard Stern thing but (as one of my favourite ever bands) it's still sad.
Agree about the rain song though. I'd be sad if that was duff.
There's loads of copies out there - To name just one - Hotel California by The Eagles was written whilst opening for Jethro Tull on tour and is just like Tull's "We Used to Know" but at least Ian Anderson jokes about it and says they ripped it off but made it their own.
Regardless - there's no doubt that part of Led Zep's attraction was the live performances esp the improvisation and for me the whole Page, Plant Bonham, Jones vibe is what the made those tracks so special.
Agree about the rain song though. I'd be sad if that was duff.
There's loads of copies out there - To name just one - Hotel California by The Eagles was written whilst opening for Jethro Tull on tour and is just like Tull's "We Used to Know" but at least Ian Anderson jokes about it and says they ripped it off but made it their own.
Regardless - there's no doubt that part of Led Zep's attraction was the live performances esp the improvisation and for me the whole Page, Plant Bonham, Jones vibe is what the made those tracks so special.
It was. A few people have sued them, it's just been relatively under the radar and settled out of court. From what I can see here they were sued in 72 and 85 and settled out of court, started paying back payments for Baby I'm Gonna Leave You in 1990 and are being sued currently (as of 2010) over Dazed & Confused.
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It's been around, people just haven't been that wise to it. Or just didn't really give a shit. No one really cares about copywrite law. Apart from musicians...and Mike.
Led Zeppelin's music is much better than the songs they borrowed from, so who cares. They're still the most influential and talented band of all time.
Denial is not a river in Egypt...Or something.
All hard rock riffs are taken from bluesmen. Nothing new. Led Zep just played them harder,better and louder than anyone before or since.
Half of these weren't from bluesmen, and they nicked the lyrics as well.
We've known this for years though. Dazed and Confused,The Lemon Song amongst others. The early critics of the band (90%hated Zep) pointed this out on the very first album. Whatever lyrics they stole and whatever riffs they took liberties with still sounds better than any other band.
Fanboi.
Might also be worth pointing out in this thread that when the penniless Plant arrived down to Page's luxurious house(Page was already quite wealthy having played on many tracks for Bands including The Who & The Kinks as a session guitarist) to talk about starting the band Jimmy asked him to pay for the sandwiches he'd provided before he left.
Nah man this is more than "just influenced by" I'm actually pretty shocked to be honest by this clip
That's the bit that gets me dude. Fine.....sometimes riffs sound like others, but the fecking lyrics ! A straight steal
Johnson in turn took bits off Blind Blake, Skip James, Blind Lemon Jefferson and a few others.
The melody is essentially Blake's although the lyrics differ
Same lyrics, albeit played on the guitar as opposed to the piano
"The blue light was my blues, and the red light was my mind"
I love Johnson but to say the guy didn't take bits from other artists is wrong.
Mockers you might as well CTRL+C that sentence because you're going to have to paste it another 100 more times before some people actually get how dodgy this all is.
Folks....they gave no credit. They thought they'd get away with it. They took music riffs and lyrics and pretended that they were theirs. It's not difficult to understand
Robert Johnson sold his soul to the Devil...all modern music is based on what he did.
We are all enjoying the good ol Devils's music..
We are all enjoying the good ol Devils's music..
It's actually funny how they took the lyrics and everything. It's a bit of a joke.
I'm not really much of a Led Zeppelin fan so I couldn't really care, but I'm a bit disappointed thinking how much of a rip off Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You is, which is probably my favourite song of theirs. Although it doesn't really matter does it, because it's still a great tune.
I'm not really much of a Led Zeppelin fan so I couldn't really care, but I'm a bit disappointed thinking how much of a rip off Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You is, which is probably my favourite song of theirs. Although it doesn't really matter does it, because it's still a great tune.
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Robert Johnson sold his soul to the Devil...all modern music is based on what he did.
We are all enjoying the good ol Devils's music..
Johnson didn't become famous till the 1960's when King of the Delta blues was released. Dylan got an early copy from John Hammond and was enthralled by it. Later, Clapton, Richards and Hendrix got a copy and were equally intrigued to it. However in the hey day of early rock and roll in the 50's, Johnson was an unknown and most modern rock derives from that time. I love RJ, but people sometimes get it wrong about his exact impact.
The thing I've always thought about all the old blues artists ripping off each other is, that was the blues..Pretty much. For a such an influential music, it wasn't exactly very, erm, innovative in of itself. They were pretty much all based around the same 4 chords anyway. That was the blues. It's not like they were also writing heavy metal riffs on the side.
My understanding of it has always been each artist took the same rough template, riffed on it and added their own experiences/lyrics to it. The whole genre was essentially based around a couple of chord progressions. It'd be hard not to sound like the next one.
From what I can gather Kashmir's not ripped off anything..It's not like they didn't write any good or influential songs. It's just a bit of a shame they didn't write as many as they claimed.
My understanding of it has always been each artist took the same rough template, riffed on it and added their own experiences/lyrics to it. The whole genre was essentially based around a couple of chord progressions. It'd be hard not to sound like the next one.
From what I can gather Kashmir's not ripped off anything..It's not like they didn't write any good or influential songs. It's just a bit of a shame they didn't write as many as they claimed.
read somewhere that Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones was playing the Johnson record when Richards asked him who the other guitarist was on the record....and Jones said...it was only Robert Johnson.
yeah...love RJ as well.
Lennon apparantly ripped off his own songs sometimes.
He recorded All you need is Love backwards and came up with Instant Karma.
He recorded All you need is Love backwards and came up with Instant Karma.
Who couldn't come up with great songs of their own? Yeah, that's some talent right there.
They're clearly great at their respective instruments. Not so good at coming up with legendary music it seems which is usually the hardest part.
I'm not a rabid LZ fan so can one of you point to great songs that they've written and arranged without thieving from somebody else? My interpretation of this whole thing is that they robbed for the first album but went on to write their own stuff that became classics..is this correct?
Well put and the plagerism is the one thing that tarnishes Zeppelins image, anyone who would like to learn a bit about them I would recommend Mick Walls When Giants Walked The Earth a good read that goes into a number of the songs that we copied just a little.
He's in Zeppelin, get him!
Hehe, my ol' man is a huge Zepplin fan so this type of stuff just breaks his heart. He fecking hates me for showing him this.
He in denial at the moment.
He in denial at the moment.
Ish... They ripped the beginning of Stairway to Heaven off Taurus, and the lyrics from Whole Lotta Love off Willie Dixon, neither on the first album. But they were certainly at least part composed by them. Kashmir & The Immigrant song seem kosher though.
Yes the borrowed some rift and such, but it's never exactly the same, the part they borrow, and the song overall is drastically different in the end.
Not really any worse than what I've always heard about them. It's really what everyone did back then, from what I hear.
Not really any worse than what I've always heard about them. It's really what everyone did back then, from what I hear.
Plus what people seem to forget is the techniques that Jimmy Page brought to the studio many of which are the norm today or that he has played on loads of hit records before he even joined The Yardbirds, still doesn't alter the fact that they should have given credit but that's something Jimmy Page will have to live for the rest of his days.