Led Zeppelin - greatest cover band ever?

prateik said:
I didnt need to see this :(
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Why ??? despite not giving credit for earlier versions of certain songs or using certain songs as the basis for new ones doesn't alter the fact that Led Zeppelin brought many changes to the music world be it from the amount the band got instead of the promoter to studio techniques etc. etc.

It still doesn't alter the fact that Led Zeppelin were one of the most innovative bands of all time and Howard Stern bringing this up now shows how out of touch the knobhead is as this has been known for years
 
feck it they are still one of the greatest bands of all time
Howard Stern is a douche anyway
 
dogrob said:
Why ??? despite not giving credit for earlier versions of certain songs or using certain songs as the basis for new ones doesn't alter the fact that Led Zeppelin brought many changes to the music world be it from the amount the band got instead of the promoter to studio techniques etc. etc.

It still doesn't alter the fact that Led Zeppelin were one of the most innovative bands of all time and Howard Stern bringing this up now shows how out of touch the knobhead is as this has been known for years
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Proper fanboi talk right there. Its like united fixing the 99 cl final. Well done to Howard Stern for exposing these frauds who needed to cheat to put together their best songs. No matter how much I've loved stairway to heaven and baby I'm going to leave you in the past, the magic of it will be forever tarnished as the base of these songs were never theirs. And the original idea is actually the hardest part of singerwriting. The rest flows from there. Forget just the base, theyve outright done covers of songs and passed it up as the their own. Pathetic.
 
And noones suggesting this means theyre a nothing band. But for me at least this takes my estimation of them down a great, great deal. So disappointing.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Proper fanboi talk right there. Its like united fixing the 99 cl final. Well done to Howard Stern for exposing these frauds who needed to cheat to put together their best songs. No matter how much I've loved stairway to heaven and baby I'm going to leave you in the past, the magic of it will be forever tarnished as the base of these songs were never theirs. And the original idea is actually the hardest part of singerwriting. The rest flows from there. Forget just the base, theyve outright done covers of songs and passed it up as the their own. Pathetic.
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Fanboi ??? I dont think so and Howard Stern exposing this, its been known for at least 30 or so years, is it right ? no it isn't and its something that will always be held against them but guess what they aren't the only one who've done this such greats as George Harrison, Bob Dylan etc. etc. have done it as well and it will continue to happen sometimes intentional, sometimes unintentional and whether we like it or not it has been part and parcel of music since the beginning.
 
The 'its been happening for ages' argument really doesnt hold. Any material that had been ripped off/stolen doesn't deserve anywhere near the same credit as original stuff. As simple as that imo. It doesn't really matter who the artist is and context was. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, clearly going by the responses in this thread, it hasn't been documented enough or through a mainstream enough medium so weird that you'd put down someone who does that. He's hardly accusing them of something they never did.

Personally what makes it worse is that those are actually my favorite Zeppelin songs. Barring low level of morality involved, it reduces the collection of theirs that I like by quite a bit and casts doubt over the rest.
 
Who was putting down Howard Stern in the post all I mentioned was that what he has suddenly found out has been known and is well documented if you look for it.

Im not arguing that what they did was right and its something that tarnishes there legacy and always will, they should have given credit at the time.

And even worse if you like the bands that Led Zeppelin have sued or tried to sue for copying them
 
Think of all the women they shagged finding out about this news. Thinking they were shagging stars. Bet they feel real dirty now :(
 
Mockney said:
Yes, but when the Stereophonics covered Handbags & Gladrags, they didn't credit themselves as the sole writers of the song and collect all the royalties for it, did they?
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Does not matter- it sounds better, that is all that counts.
 
I find it funny that the cheating in sport is demonized but such blatant cheating in music such as Led Zep, is just dusted off.

The amount of money these guys made from their ripped off songs is gazzilion times greater than what Lance Armstrong would have made from cheating.

Btw, I don't condone cheating in sport, but why was there no public TV grilling of Led Zep on their stealing of other artists work?
 
Fecking hell. Didn't know this LZ plagiarism stuff. Anyway, I still think Page is the best guitarist of all time. Those emotion and expressive sound he could make from that guitar are still incomparable to these days.
 
They may well be the greatest cover band ever, but to me they still are the greatest band ever.

When people do their band fantasy line ups, I always choose Plant, Page, Jones and Bonham
 
I've always found it hard to personally care about this or similar stuff. Ripping others off may make them shitty people or mean that they're not as talented had they written everything themselves, but neither has anything to do with my enjoyment of the music. The things I think it does affect (others getting a fair share of the credit, their supposed merit as musicians etc.) are incidental to the music, part of a secondary world built around art that allows us to talk bullshit about it. I don't think that side carries nearly the same emotional investment to be so disappointed in things like this.
 
I like them more now but at the time I wasn't a huge fan. I didn't hate them or anything but they were rock dinosaurs when Bowie and then Punk and then New Wave and then Indie came around. So I was listening to Bowie, Joy Division, Pistols, Clash, Magazine, The Smiths and The The who were far more interesting.
 
Kaush949 said:
I find it funny that the cheating in sport is demonized but such blatant cheating in music such as Led Zep, is just dusted off.

The amount of money these guys made from their ripped off songs is gazzilion times greater than what Lance Armstrong would have made from cheating.

Btw, I don't condone cheating in sport, but why was there no public TV grilling of Led Zep on their stealing of other artists work?
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That is one weirdly drawn parallel. I think Led Zep are overrated but the reason why they're not slated for nicking stuff is because it's not uncommon in music, never was, and certainly not during the 60 or 70. In fact, taking someone else's music and tweaking it to fit your own expression is traditionally seen as homage rather than theft.
 
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