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At a club where every match is going to be a big challenge. Having spent the last few seasons waltzing through lots of games.
See, this is where I disagree with you because it is such an off-handed comment. Ligue 1 is probably the most physically intensive domestic league outside of the Premier League with a lot of athletes in defensive positions, as well as the advocacy of at times negative tactics by the managers - to throttle the opposition's attack. Yes, the overall quality isn't very high, and that should be factored in - but to say that Zlatan waltzes through games is way over the top because a lot of the defenses he faces are very rigorous. These days he essentially plays as a false 9 - with his game based on movement and positioning - which he has seemingly optimized, and that doesn't necessitate running around the pitch - so the fact that he's in his mid 30s won't be that big of a deal - because the things that he is good at - finding pockets of space is where Premier League defenses struggle by and large.

His technique is still superb, physically - he'd dwarf most Premier league defenders, he won't go on lung-bursting runs - but that wasn't his style anyway, and he still has a cannon of a shot with incredible control to boot, and a great nose for where the goal is. There are very few downsides to a 2 year deal when he'll be joining on a Bosman. People equate Falcao and Schweinsteiger with him - and he didn't suffer a potentially career ending injury like the former - who was also a pure target striker than forward, and he isn't a box-to-box midfielder who has to cover acres of space like the latter. If folk want to compare certain characteristics wrt Zlatan then that's fair enough, but loose stereotypes like 'waltzing the league' or 'Falcao and Schweinsteiger were old" (not aimed at you, specifically) - are rather unfair because each transfer should be based on individual merit, and the timing of it.

And in terms of individual assessment - it can be argued that in his 20s, Zlatan was a wasteful, and at times unintelligent player who didn't maximize the impact of his technical skillset. And it's only now, in his thirties that he's fully mastered the cerebral aspect to it - which has allowed him to be precise in a manner that he wasn't in the past. We're likely in the latter half of his peak, counter-intuitive as it might seem, because in a lot of ways, Zlatan has always proven to be an exception to the rule.
If Martial up front doesn't work at least he's got another year under his belt and is 12 months closer to becoming the player we all think he can be.
Why risk it when he's developing at a good rate, and there's no need to force a positional change when we can have a quality addition at #9 - who Martial can learn from? Why potentially derail our season by messing around with the progression of arguably our brightest attacking talent? I fail to see a logic in this to be honest. Everyone agrees that Martial will eventually play as a center forward, no doubt about it. But it's probably a season or two too early because his hold up play, and shooting technique still leaves a lot to be desired. Those things take time to polish, he needs to mature further before being thrust into that role - and being ahead of schedule might actually be counterproductive in his case when he's coming along at a good pace out wide.
 
Just can't get excited about getting Zlatan at his age. However much people tell me how great he still is, it just reeks of us getting mugged for a player who is over the hill, yet again. The best I would expect is occasional useful contributions a la Henrik Larsson - any kind of major impact on our season just seems too much to hope for.
 
Just can't get excited about getting Zlatan at his age. However much people tell me how great he still is, it just reeks of us getting mugged for a player who is over the hill, yet again. The best I would expect is occasional useful contributions a la Henrik Larsson - any kind of major impact on our season just seems too much to hope for.

How would we be mugged? He'd cost us no transfer fee... and for any top strikers we'd be paying high wages.

Also bad comparison with Larsson, he was only with us for a month or so, did particularly well, and pretty much didn't get a bad word from anyone.
 
Then we'd need a Left Winger to fill the gap Martial vacated. Moreover I feel he looks better as a LW for the moment than an out and out striker.

We are paying the price for an unproven striker up top (our goals scored this season is horrible), it would be ridiculous if we made the same mistake again.

We do need a left winger and a right one. That's no reason not to put Martial up front.

We haven't had an unproven striker up top. We've had England's and soon to be United's top goalscorer playing there majority of the season. It's the same logic that wants Zlatan here. Proven doesn't mean all that much to me when strikers are past their best.
 
How would we be mugged? He'd cost us no transfer fee... and for any top strikers we'd be paying high wages.

Because if we waste time / a place in the team on somebody who underperforms, and it costs us points, we've been mugged regardless of price.

Also bad comparison with Larsson, he was only with us for a month or so, did particularly well, and pretty much didn't get a bad word from anyone.

I wouldn't say "particularly well". He did a good enough job, but it's not like he had a massive impact, which is the point of what I was saying.

We could afford to add Larsson into the mix back then, but in our current state I wouldn't want to see a repeat of Larsson's stint if it meant that we thought we'd solved our need for a top striker and we didn't go after a younger, more suitable player.
 
Because if we waste time / a place in the team on somebody who underperforms, and it costs us points, we've been mugged regardless of price.

But that argument could be used for any player... we've seen time and time again any combination of young/old/inexperienced/experienced both making it and not making it.

All you can do is assess risks and try to minimise them. For me he ticks boxes for fitness (forget about his age, he's a freak), skill, desire, experience, credentials.
 
See, this is where I disagree with you because it is such an off-handed comment. Ligue 1 is probably the most physically intensive domestic league outside of the Premier League with a lot of athletes in defensive positions, as well as the advocacy of at times negative tactics by the managers - to throttle the opposition's attack. Yes, the overall quality isn't very high, and that should be factored in - but to say that Zlatan waltzes through games is way over the top because a lot of the defenses he faces are very rigorous. These days he essentially plays as a false 9 - with his game based on movement and positioning - which he has seemingly optimized, and that doesn't necessitate running around the pitch - so the fact that he's in his mid 30s won't be that big of a deal - because the things that he is good at - finding pockets of space is where Premier League defenses struggle by and large.

His technique is still superb, physically - he'd dwarf most Premier league defenders, he won't go on lung-bursting runs - but that wasn't his style anyway, and he still has a cannon of a shot with incredible control to boot, and a great nose for where the goal is. There are very few downsides to a 2 year deal when he'll be joining on a Bosman. People equate Falcao and Schweinsteiger with him - and he didn't suffer a potentially career ending injury like the former - who was also a pure target striker than forward, and he isn't a box-to-box midfielder who has to cover acres of space like the latter. If folk want to compare certain characteristics wrt Zlatan then that's fair enough, but loose stereotypes like 'waltzing the league' or 'Falcao and Schweinsteiger were old" (not aimed at you, specifically) - are rather unfair because each transfer should be based on individual merit, and the timing of it.

And in terms of individual assessment - it can be argued that in his 20s, Zlatan was a wasteful, and at times unintelligent player who didn't maximize the impact of his technical skillset. And it's only now, in his thirties that he's fully mastered the cerebral aspect to it - which has allowed him to be precise in a manner that he wasn't in the past. We're likely in the latter half of his peak, counter-intuitive as it might seem, because in a lot of ways, Zlatan has always proven to be an exception to the rule.

Why risk it when he's developing at a good rate, and there's no need to force a positional change when we can have a quality addition at #9 - who Martial can learn from? Why potentially derail our season by messing around with the progression of arguably our brightest attacking talent? I fail to see a logic in this to be honest. Everyone agrees that Martial will eventually play as a center forward, no doubt about it. But it's probably a season or two too early because his hold up play, and shooting technique still leaves a lot to be desired. Those things take time to polish, he needs to mature further before being thrust into that role - and being ahead of schedule might actually be counterproductive in his case when he's coming along at a good pace out wide.

I don't think there's anything off hand about it. The French League just isn't anywhere near the EPL. The bigger problem though is the gap between PSG and the rest. I see no logic in suggesting the league is anything but easy for PSG and Ibra. They're 30 points ahead of third place. He'll ha e walked through some games. The EPL is the opposite of that, every game is a battle.

In this EPL you can't get away with little movement, you have to be able to get around the pitch. The last thing we need is another static forward player.

This assumption that playing Martial up front will derail him is just that, an assumption.
 
We do need a left winger and a right one. That's no reason not to put Martial up front.

We haven't had an unproven striker up top. We've had England's and soon to be United's top goalscorer playing there majority of the season. It's the same logic that wants Zlatan here. Proven doesn't mean all that much to me when strikers are past their best.

Needing a left winger wasn't my reason to put Martial there. Him playing better from the left was.

Zlatan was banging in over 20 goals in conesecutive seasons - I'm not even sure Rooney's ever done that. Rooney as a number 9 was always a risk because he's deployed in so many positions. He should never be compared to Zlatan as a striker at this stage tbh.
 
Very different situations though. Falcao always seemed like a risk because of the injury he'd just had, but worth the risk because it was only a loan. And i don't think Schweinsteiger has done much wrong other than being injury prone. I wouldn't judge him on his general play too much in a team that's restricted by Van Gaal's insane tactics. In the early half of this season, it didn't matter who we put in the two midfield slots, they were all equally ineffective.

At the end of the day nobody can know if Ibrahimovic would actually work. But how many strikers of his calibre could we get now, for free, with a low risk of injury, and going off record, a player who's scored wherever he's been. (especially if we finish 5th).

Zlatan's calibre is big but how good he really is is quite uncertain. You point out the different situation with Falcao but say nothing about the different situation with scoring goals at PSG and United.

Unlike Ronaldo, Zlatan scores relatively much more goals in Ligue 1 than in the CL. In Ligue 1 this season he has scored 32 goals in 27 apps. In the CL, he has scored 5 goals in 10 apps. There is no such difference with Ronaldo, Suarez, Lewandowksi, etc. They are prolific both domestically and in Europe. Ronaldo scores at the same rate both in La Liga and in the CL. Zlatan's ratio in the CL is dramatically different and dramatically worse than Ronaldo's. Why? Because PSG are too dominant in Ligue 1 and this distorts his stats there. If you judge Zlatan on his CL games, he's been a bit disappointing. If people believe that he will have a similar impact in the EPL like in Ligue 1, then they are deluded big time.
 
I don't think there's anything off hand about it. The French League just isn't anywhere near the EPL. The bigger problem though is the gap between PSG and the rest. I see no logic in suggesting the league is anything but easy for PSG and Ibra. They're 30 points ahead of third place. He'll ha e walked through some games. The EPL is the opposite of that, every game is a battle.

In this EPL you can't get away with little movement, you have to be able to get around the pitch. The last thing we need is another static forward player.

This assumption that playing Martial up front will derail him is just that, an assumption.
I'm not sure you even bothered to read the post to be honest. Still doling out cliches instead of arguing against his skillset as an individual which is ultimately what matters.
 
Needing a left winger wasn't my reason to put Martial there. Him playing better from the left was.

Zlatan was banging in over 20 goals in conesecutive seasons - I'm not even sure Rooney's ever done that. Rooney as a number 9 was always a risk because he's deployed in so many positions. He should never be compared to Zlatan as a striker at this stage tbh.

I don't want to get into a Ibra vs Rooney debate and derail the thread. The point I'm making is that we haven't as you said played with an unproven striker this season. I'm certainly no fan of today's Rooney but he must at this stage be considered "proven."

"Proven" can mean very little when we're talking about strikers over 30.
 
Just can't get excited about getting Zlatan at his age. However much people tell me how great he still is, it just reeks of us getting mugged for a player who is over the hill, yet again. The best I would expect is occasional useful contributions a la Henrik Larsson - any kind of major impact on our season just seems too much to hope for.

You don't expect Zlatan who's scored 41 goals and 18 assists in all competitions this year to perform better for us than Henrik Larsson who at the time wasn't even the best striker in the Swedish League?
 
I don't want to get into a Ibra vs Rooney debate and derail the thread. The point I'm making is that we haven't as you said played with an unproven striker this season. I'm certainly no fan of today's Rooney but he must at this stage be considered "proven."

"Proven" can mean very little when we're talking about strikers over 30.

Proven in my books counts towards being a consistent number 9 over multiple seasons and scoring to a level worthy of United's level. Rooney hasn't done that in a number 9 for us (he did it in one season). Zlatan has done that for the best part of a decade. You don't need a Rooney vs Zlatan discussion to know the latter is a much, much better striker.
 
I'm not sure you even bothered to read the post to be honest. Still doling out cliches instead of arguing against his skillset as an individual which is ultimately what matters.

Nah that's not true. I actually thought your post was good even though I disagree. I read it and responded to your points about the French League and his skillset. Frankly claiming somebody hasn't read your words because they disagree is in itself a cliché.

Look at the best strikers in England today. Then look at Ibrahimovic. They're complete opposites. His skillset isn't suited to English football, not at 35 anyway.
 
Look at the best strikers in England today. Then look at Ibrahimovic. They're complete opposites. His skillset isn't suited to English football, not at 35 anyway.

Strong, bullish, can shoot from long range, arially more than competent and technically brilliant?
He might be lazy but he has many attributes that can easily make him a beast in this league.
 
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See, this is where I disagree with you because it is such an off-handed comment. Ligue 1 is probably the most physically intensive domestic league outside of the Premier League with a lot of athletes in defensive positions, as well as the advocacy of at times negative tactics by the managers - to throttle the opposition's attack. Yes, the overall quality isn't very high, and that should be factored in - but to say that Zlatan waltzes through games is way over the top because a lot of the defenses he faces are very rigorous. These days he essentially plays as a false 9 - with his game based on movement and positioning - which he has seemingly optimized, and that doesn't necessitate running around the pitch - so the fact that he's in his mid 30s won't be that big of a deal - because the things that he is good at - finding pockets of space is where Premier League defenses struggle by and large.

His technique is still superb, physically - he'd dwarf most Premier league defenders, he won't go on lung-bursting runs - but that wasn't his style anyway, and he still has a cannon of a shot with incredible control to boot, and a great nose for where the goal is. There are very few downsides to a 2 year deal when he'll be joining on a Bosman. People equate Falcao and Schweinsteiger with him - and he didn't suffer a potentially career ending injury like the former - who was also a pure target striker than forward, and he isn't a box-to-box midfielder who has to cover acres of space like the latter. If folk want to compare certain characteristics wrt Zlatan then that's fair enough, but loose stereotypes like 'waltzing the league' or 'Falcao and Schweinsteiger were old" (not aimed at you, specifically) - are rather unfair because each transfer should be based on individual merit, and the timing of it.

And in terms of individual assessment - it can be argued that in his 20s, Zlatan was a wasteful, and at times unintelligent player who didn't maximize the impact of his technical skillset. And it's only now, in his thirties that he's fully mastered the cerebral aspect to it - which has allowed him to be precise in a manner that he wasn't in the past. We're likely in the latter half of his peak, counter-intuitive as it might seem, because in a lot of ways, Zlatan has always proven to be an exception to the rule.

Why risk it when he's developing at a good rate, and there's no need to force a positional change when we can have a quality addition at #9 - who Martial can learn from? Why potentially derail our season by messing around with the progression of arguably our brightest attacking talent? I fail to see a logic in this to be honest. Everyone agrees that Martial will eventually play as a center forward, no doubt about it. But it's probably a season or two too early because his hold up play, and shooting technique still leaves a lot to be desired. Those things take time to polish, he needs to mature further before being thrust into that role - and being ahead of schedule might actually be counterproductive in his case when he's coming along at a good pace out wide.
Great post.
 
Zlatan's calibre is big but how good he really is is quite uncertain. You point out the different situation with Falcao but say nothing about the different situation with scoring goals at PSG and United.

Unlike Ronaldo, Zlatan scores relatively much more goals in Ligue 1 than in the CL. In Ligue 1 this season he has scored 32 goals in 27 apps. In the CL, he has scored 5 goals in 10 apps. There is no such difference with Ronaldo, Suarez, Lewandowksi, etc. They are prolific both domestically and in Europe. Ronaldo scores at the same rate both in La Liga and in the CL. Zlatan's ratio in the CL is dramatically different and dramatically worse than Ronaldo's. Why? Because PSG are too dominant in Ligue 1 and this distorts his stats there. If you judge Zlatan on his CL games, he's been a bit disappointing. If people believe that he will have a similar impact in the EPL like in Ligue 1, then they are deluded big time.

My original point a few posts back was our need for someone like him was because we need someone to punish the weaker teams... It's something we're just not doing. If he comes in and just does that, for me it'll have been worth it.
 
I recognise this point, it has its advantages. However, I'm afraid that if this short fix doesn't work, and my gut feeling is that it won't work because the situation is completely different to PSG and Zlatan turns 35 soon, then we'd be a further step closer to being liverpool'd.

The notion that Zlatan comes in and transformes a team that struggles to make top 4 into a powerhouse capable to beat to the title Guardiola's City and the other teams, including Klopp's Liverpool, is naive, IMO. But I may be wrong. Zlatan has won the title in any country he's played. Would be amaizing if he does the same with United. I'm sceptical but it's not my decision to make. If the next manager wants Zlatan, then so be it. I'll hope that it will work out fantastically well.
No one is saying that Zlatan needs to be our only signing for the attack. Pretty much everyone recognizes that we need a top class right winger or a top class right wing prospect. And there are a lot of people who also feel that we need a number 10 or a second striker. We already have Martial on the left who is pretty damn good there and will only get better with better players around him. So if you add those signings + Zlatan, I think our chances of becoming a title contender get a lot higher because I believe Zlatan to be that good.
 
Look at the best strikers in England today. Then look at Ibrahimovic. They're complete opposites. His skillset isn't suited to English football, not at 35 anyway.

The best striker in England right now is probably Kane who I see as something of a light version of Ibra.
 
Strong, bullish, can shoot from long range, arially more than competent and technically brilliant?
He might be lazy but he has many attributes that can easily make him a beast in this league.

He barely moves! I don't know how anyone who watches United and English football can believe right now we need a striker who doesn't run all that much.

Lack of movement is one of our biggest problems. Certainly before Rashford and Lingard came into the team.
 
No one wants to bring in a player that will harm Martial or Rashfords development and in theory i agree. BUT theres too many here believing Ibra can come here and score a bucket load of goals when i just dont see it.

RvP is the case in question for me. A quality player who had spent his entire career here, probably should have known it better than most. But he reached a age where he just couldnt find the pockets he once did. I'd love us to get a player who could get 20 goals a season to take the pressure off the likes of Rashford and Martial but i dont think its Ibra.
RvP was always an injury prone player, and not the strongest. Ibra on the other side gets rarely injured, and it is one of the most powerful players around. In that aspect, he is a bit like C. Ronaldo, a physical beast.

On the last 2-3 years he has been playing the best football of his career. While he will inevitably decline, I think that he has at least an another top season, and then an another decent one on him.
 
Nah that's not true. I actually thought your post was good even though I disagree. I read it and responded to your points about the French League and his skillset. Frankly claiming somebody hasn't read your words because they disagree is in itself a cliché.

Look at the best strikers in England today. Then look at Ibrahimovic. They're complete opposites. His skillset isn't suited to English football, not at 35 anyway.
Ah, fair enough, that was my bad - to be honest, I knew I shouldn't have written the snarky barb as soon as I clicked the 'Post Reply' button. :)

Anyway, IMO - Zlatan's technique and scoring ability won't magically desert him if he joins United from Ligue 1, he'll still have that in his weaponry. The competition will be elevated, no doubt about it - and he might have to run a bit more than usual because Mourinho (the next manager, in all likelihood) asks a bit more from his #9, but if José sanctions the move - there's no reason to believe that playing in the Premier League will stop Ibrahimović from doing this:


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Minor snippets, but you can see his technique, power and and placement. And wrt him vs the best strikers in English football, I'd say he's as physically strong as any of them (apart from maybe Lukaku), has more presence than any of them, has a very good injury record, is on a technically higher level than anyone apart from Agüero, and so forth. The only things he doesn't currently have are: age on his side (the importance of this varies on your overall outlook - when you consider his late development and the fact that he's still playing at a very high individual level), pace to burn (but then, his game was never about pace, and your #9 doesn't necessarily have to be a roadrunner - he's deceptively quick in bursts, and cunning in the way he gets behind defenses and outsmarts traps), and experience in the league (which might not be a problem for someone as well traveled as him).

On the basis of this season, and last season, and his performance on the international front - he's still an elite forward. Not the best in the world by any means, but certainly Top 25 worthy including all positions. And apart from De Gea (who's probably the best at his position), one might argue that no player in our team would even get to a Top 50 list (Smalling might be a marginal case - but if push comes to shove, I'd say he isn't). Could we use the upgrade, especially when he'll be on a free transfer, and we have loads of wage room to spare, and our team needs someone with world class experience - who has won the league at every club he's played at? Absolutely, IMO.

We currently have a mixture of mostly mediocre personnel, and potentially top class youngsters - and not a whole lot in between for the here and now. And adding a couple players who are in or around an elite level, and could potentially elevate the performances of those around them would go a long way to ease the transition for the new manager. Especially when the new manager might be Mourinho - who had an excellent working relationship with Ibrahimović in the past. Even if he performs at a high level for a year or two, I'd say a 2 year contract would be fair game because we will be able to extract the last bit of genuine top class play out of him, and let the youngsters develop at an organic rate.
 
He barely moves! I don't know how anyone who watches United and English football can believe right now we need a striker who doesn't run all that much.

Lack of movement is one of our biggest problems. Certainly before Rashford and Lingard came into the team.
We need a striker with world class ability and production, not a headless chicken who runs around for the sake of running. Rooney can still run around a lot, that doesn't make him a good striker.

I'm not defending Zlatan's laziness or low work rate but it's stupid to criticize that when the player's productivity is so high. It's like criticizing C. Ronaldo for his work rate. Could Ronaldo also work harder? Sure. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be suited for "English football" just because he doesn't run around so much.
 
@Invictus is right about Ibra operating as a false 9 these days and that brings us back around to Rooney. If he is here we'll have a hell of a job getting him out of the starting 11 no matter who the manager is and I don't see any way for him and Ibra to operate together.

Even when you take out the age issues the big problem is them liking to operate in the same areas which would mean they are incompatible, just like Rooney never gelled with Berbatov or RvP. His best partnership was with Hernandez who likes to run in behind and play off the shoulder of the last defender, which allowed Rooney to roam around between the midfield and Hernandez.

Shall we break out the distance covered stats?

That would actually be interesting to see.
 
Shall we break out every other?

Wait your point was that Ibrahimovic and Kane are similar players. My point was that they're not, using the fact Kane runs as an example.

What stats are you talking about?
 
Wait your point was that Ibrahimovic and Kane are similar players. My point was that they're not, using the fact Kane runs as an example.

What stats are you talking about?
That's right, Kane is better at running while Zlatan is better at scoring and immensely better at assisting. Statistics.

It's true there's a caveat for Ibra in that he can't press heavily all game long.
 
Wait your point was that Ibrahimovic and Kane are similar players. My point was that they're not, using the fact Kane runs as an example.

What stats are you talking about?

They're alike in that they both roam alot and drop Deep, holding off defenders and bringing others into play and arrive late into the box to poach but are also capable of and like to shoot from a distance.

Work rate is probably the only stat you'll find in favor of Kane.
 
That's right, Kane is better at running while Zlatan is better at scoring and immensely better at assisting. Statistics.

It's true there's a caveat for Ibra in that he can't press heavily all game long.

Tell us, do PSG want to keep him, what is rumoured?
 
How would we be mugged? He'd cost us no transfer fee... and for any top strikers we'd be paying high wages.

Also bad comparison with Larsson, he was only with us for a month or so, did particularly well, and pretty much didn't get a bad word from anyone.

I suspect Ibrahimovic will be looking more per week than just about any other striker on the planet, as thats what PSG are currently paying him and he will be asking for the same or even more from United.

As for there being no transfer fee, well no there isn't but there will no doubt probably be a quite large signing on fee expected and also an agents fee maybe in the millions as Raiola will be looking for his slice of the pie too.
 
Tell us, do PSG want to keep him, what is rumoured?
Early in the season it looked like PSG didn't want to extend him further, then as he was performing better than expected and having his best ever season rumours of renewal started growing. Now after the Man City debacle the dominant opinion is that Zlatan will look for another challenge and PSG start another cycle with other players, working on bringing another superstar (Ronaldo, Neymar...).

PSG, Ibra and Raiola are cooperating in their communication so that it's difficult to know what each party really wants and one can only speculate, but I and most PSG fans expect him to leave in the summer.
 
Early in the season it looked like PSG didn't want to extend him further, then as he was performing better than expected and having his best ever season rumours of renewal started growing. Now after the Man City debacle the dominant opinion is that Zlatan will look for another challenge and PSG start another cycle with other players, working on bringing another superstar (Ronaldo, Neymar...).

PSG, Ibra and Raiola are cooperating in their communication so that it's difficult to know what each party really wants and one can only speculate, but I and most PSG fans expect him to leave in the summer.

Thanks, mate.
 
Would love to see him play at OT for a couple of seasons, but not at the £600k a week that is being quoted. Great player, who seems to get better with age, but he is the very antithesis of what LvG wants from his players, and they hate each other anyway.
 
Signing him would be the natural next step in our master plan to build the slowest forward line in the history of football.

Ibra
??? Rooney Mata
Now we just need to find a really really slow left winger and it will be mission accomplished.
 
That's right, Kane is better at running while Zlatan is better at scoring and immensely better at assisting. Statistics.

It's true there's a caveat for Ibra in that he can't press heavily all game long.

My post is out of context, I'm not suggesting Kane is better. I'm responding to the idea the two players are similar. My point being that in terms of movement they're completely different.

They're alike in that they both roam alot and drop Deep, holding off defenders and bringing others into play and arrive late into the box to poach but are also capable of and like to shoot from a distance.

Work rate is probably the only stat you'll find in favor of Kane.

The above describes lots of strikers as that's generally the job of a striker. Bit like saying Huth and Piquet are similar because they both tackle, intercept and head the ball away.

Out of the nine strikers who've played more than 250 mins in the ECL this season Ibrahimovic has covered the least ground. Six years ago he only just ran more than Victor Valdes! This is a world away from how Kane plays.
 
My post is out of context, I'm not suggesting Kane is better. I'm responding to the idea the two players are similar. My point being that in terms of movement they're completely different.
I know, but is there any eveidence that different kind of strikers don't work?

The best player in the world isn't much of a runner either after all.
 
The above describes lots of strikers as that's generally the job of a striker. Bit like saying Huth and Piquet are similar because they both tackle, intercept and head the ball away.

Out of the nine strikers who've played more than 250 mins in the ECL this season Ibrahimovic has covered the least ground. Six years ago he only just ran more than Victor Valdes! This is a world away from how Kane plays.

Let's just agree to disagree.

There's no disputing however that alot of big physical strikers with decent to good technique have reaped success in the PL in recent times such as Lukaku, Fellaini, Carrol, Pelle, Giroud, Benteke, Bony etc. They don't really do anything other than being big and physical with varying footballing talent in addition.
 
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I know, but is there any eveidence that different kind of strikers don't work?

The best player in the world isn't much of a runner either after all.

Sure different types of strikers can work but it depends what the differing factor is. If you look at the top three strikers in the EPL they all have great movement, big work rate, all look to run in behind defenders. Maybe it's a coincidence but I think not.

Some like to pretend otherwise but football involves running and never more so than this current EPL. It's also never been needed more at United. We all know his strengths, they're undeniable but we really don't need his weaknesses. There's just no way we need another player who wants the ball to feet all the time, who is one paced, whose movement won't drag defenders out of position. We need the opposite.
 
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