He's our biggest earner in terms of weekly wages and occupying the position (whether he is playing or not) as someone who is being paid as one of our marquee players. Griezmann would merely replace him in that regard.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic Transfer Speculation
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He's our biggest earner in terms of weekly wages and occupying the position (whether he is playing or not) as someone who is being paid as one of our marquee players. Griezmann would merely replace him in that regard.
Rooney needs to leave for his own benefit and more importantly for United's benefit. He needs to free up the wage budget.
But why exactly do we need that? Is there a specific number of marquee players a team needs?
In terms of marquee signing, we spent £89m (and I'm sure a pretty big salary too) on Pogba even though he didn't exactly replace anyone. He was just added on top of the wage bill. As was Ibra really, since he didn't really replace Rooney. We shouldn't be spending transfer fees or salaries just cause we have it, without calculating its impact on the squad. We could make a new #9 our marquee signing and have 2 marquee players in Pogba and the new #9 for the near future.
I just feel like this "need" for a marquee forward to replace Rooney is really just a vote of no-confidence in our other forwards, without actually voicing it as such. But in terms of our actual starting XI, this forward would be replacing one of Martial, Mkhi or Mata and not Rooney who's in fact not even playing.
And as I said, I can understand why some people want to replace one them with someone of better quality even if I don't agree with it. But none of this "would be replacing Rooney" stuff please. Rooney has already been replaced, he's not playing.
Big stretch there lol. He was also supposedly a Beckham fanboy.We shall see. In any case I wouldn't say there's no chance in hell of him joining like @balaks said.
Also he has ties, his brother is an United fan.
I think we have been down this road before when we nearly signed someone. Off the top of my head Robben, Ronaldino Alcantara, Real Madrid CB couple of years ago cant think of name, Renato Sanchez even went close with Mikel, not in the same class I know. I hope we sign him but if we can get a couple of 30-40 million pound players that can put the ball in the net regularly I would be just as happy.
Marquee players are as much Woodwards (glazers) thinking as much as Mourinho, maybe even more. Big name players = more merchandise sold.But why exactly do we need that? Is there a specific number of marquee players a team needs?
In terms of marquee signing, we spent £89m (and I'm sure a pretty big salary too) on Pogba even though he didn't exactly replace anyone. He was just added on top of the wage bill. As was Ibra really, since he didn't really replace Rooney. We shouldn't be spending transfer fees or salaries just cause we have it, without calculating its impact on the squad. We could make a new #9 our marquee signing and have 2 marquee players in Pogba and the new #9 for the near future.
I just feel like this "need" for a marquee forward to replace Rooney is really just a vote of no-confidence in our other forwards, without actually voicing it as such. But in terms of our actual starting XI, this forward would be replacing one of Martial, Mkhi or Mata and not Rooney who's in fact not even playing.
And as I said, I can understand why some people want to replace one them with someone of better quality even if I don't agree with it.
And how many is the correct number for a team? Why can't the new #9 become our marquee signing but it has to be a #7/#10? Can you answer me that?
EDIT: And that view about glazers and marquee signings is patently incorrect anwyay, as Fergie went without one for years without on and the Glazers seem to be absolutely fine with that
But why exactly do we need that? Is there a specific number of marquee players a team needs?
In terms of marquee signing, we spent £89m (and I'm sure a pretty big salary too) on Pogba even though he didn't exactly replace anyone. He was just added on top of the wage bill. As was Ibra really, since he didn't really replace Rooney. We shouldn't be spending transfer fees or salaries just cause we have it, without calculating its impact on the squad. We could make a new #9 our marquee signing and have 2 marquee players in Pogba and the new #9 for the near future.
I just feel like this "need" for a marquee forward to replace Rooney is really just a vote of no-confidence in our other forwards, without actually voicing it as such. But in terms of our actual starting XI, this forward would be replacing one of Martial, Mkhi or Mata and not Rooney who's in fact not even playing.
And as I said, I can understand why some people want to replace one them with someone of better quality even if I don't agree with it. But none of this "would be replacing Rooney" stuff please. Rooney has already been replaced, he's not playing.
In short yes. Rooney, even when he's not playing well, is still a massive part of our brand. Griezmann would replace all of that as well as contribute far more goals than Wayne has. Griezmann is far more similar to Rooney (let's say Rooney of 5-6 years ago) than he is to Mata, Mkhitaryan, Martial, or Rashford.
Ok, I'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that too then
I suppose I don't really know what your point is. With Rooney on his way out, the only player who would replace him in terms of wages, stature, and (better than) expected contribution is Griezmann.
Right back at ya, I can't see your point either that's why I said let's agree to disagree. Like I said, if it's simply about salaries and stature, just give that to a #9. Icardi, Benzema, whoever Mou sees as the next man to replace Ibra with. Rooney's place in terms of stature and salary has already been taken by Pogba for me.
I'm assuming Zlatan is staying and Rooney is leaving, therefore its obvious who Griezmann would be replacing. Pogba would obviously not work in this example since he's a midfielder.
Will take a while as Rooney's brand appeal is far higher than Griezmann right now (outside UK and France).
Why should Rooney leave for any less salary than what Manchester United is contracted to pay him?
No club outside China and perhaps USA will match his current salary.
If Rooney leaves, its likely we'll be saddled with at least 50% of his wage.
None of which is Rooney's fault.
I think Zlatan will stay.
Raoul, come on man
Are you talking about replacing Rooney as a forward player or Rooney as a United marquee player and face of our adverts?
In terms of a forward player he's already been replaced, he doesn't need replacing. If you sign another forward player (Griezmann) that guy would be replacing one of Mkhi/Mata/Martial, the players who have actually replaced Rooney in the starting XI in the first place. If you are talking in terms of the face of the team and adverts and such, then Pogba has already done that. Another marquee #9 could also become another marketable face for the team alongside Pogba.
Like I said, maybe we should just drop it. We're just going round in circles disagreeing with each other. No harm in disagreeing at all, it's just probably becoming tedious for anyone who's reading this thread!
Griezmann's brand value will never be anywhere near Rooneys. Ronaldo, Messi and Rooney are a billion lightyears ahead of anyone else and Zlatan is the closest thing next to them.
Raoul, come on man
Are you talking about replacing Rooney as a forward player or Rooney as a United marquee player and face of our adverts?
In terms of a forward player he's already been replaced, he doesn't need replacing. If you sign another forward player (Griezmann) that guy would be replacing one of Mkhi/Mata/Martial, the players who have actually replaced Rooney in the starting XI in the first place. If you are talking in terms of the face of the team and adverts and such, then Pogba has already done that. Another marquee #9 could also become another marketable face for the team alongside Pogba.
Like I said, maybe we should just drop it. We're just going round in circles disagreeing with each other. No harm in disagreeing at all, it's just probably becoming tedious for anyone who's reading this thread!
Both obviously. In Griezmann, we would be ostensibly buying a player of Rooney's output circa 2011/12
It is right now but he can get big quickly if France win a major title in next 4 years, alongside no9/10 Man United jersey and some Cups for us.
During that time, Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi and Ibrahimovic brand value will fade, and Griezmann will compete with the Neymar, Pogba, Bale and a few others for global football player sponsorships, which will be for even more £€$ than the previous generation.
7 surely?
of course.
Its abit nuts that this summer our no 7,9 and 10 jerseys will likely be vacant. We are so far away from having an elite team.
And Rooney (like Griezmann) had that output in a 4-4-2. Changing to that system to get the best out of Griezmann would probably spell the end for Mata and Martial and probably under-utilise our other marquee signing, Pogba. That's why they say in football you don't always have to replace like-for-like.
Rooney on the pitch has been replaced, as I keep saying. The players that've replaced him, might not have replaced Rooney's previous output yet, but my point is that given some more time they (collectively) might. And as to who is/are gonna be the face(s) of United, it can be the new striker alongside Pogba.
It's not like Rooney was marketability-wise on the same level as the guy he replaced. Beckham was on a whole other level to Rooney and he wasn't even a forward.
I'm not saying it's Rooney's fault but he won't get to play at United; not that he's played much this season to begin with. I'm sure he would still want to play than sit on the bench or at home and earn a big fat paycheck like Bastian.
We've already off loaded Depay, Schneiderlin and Bastian now... So we've freed up our wage budget. If I were United, I would take a hit on the transfer fee and let him go for cheap which would attract some teams in pursuing him. I'm sure he's not going to demand 275k at other teams considering his form in the past 2-3 years.
It sounds mad and I try to get my head round it when i say it to myself. I won't be too gutted if he left. I just can't escape the feeling that we'd be a better side as a whole wiht a Bellotti, Sanchez or someone of that mold up front. Someone with pace that will work his socks off.
I think we will play Griezmann behind Ibra and along side Martial and Mkhi.
Seeing his interview on BT sport he's definitely off IMO.
Why? Didn't seem like that to me
Yea, seemed like a semi-confirmation.
What did he say?
It was 50/50 for me.
The part where he says he proved everyone wrong and has nothing to prove here was concerning.
The part where he says he proved everyone wrong and has nothing to prove here was concerning.
I don't think he's off, especially not based on that.
Isn't the 2nd year based on United triggering it, and not him?
Isn't the 2nd year based on United triggering it, and not him?
He said that he came here to prove everybody wrong who was writing him off and that he achieved that already after three months. Didn't say anything about staying.
I hope he moves on in the summer.
No, apparently he gets a say. The only contract we've signed this way. Which makes the extension a bit pointless anyway
When asked if he will stay next year he made a load of excuses, said he is 35 and doesn't know if he will be the same at 36. Just seemed like he's already made his mind up. along with the "hate finishing below 2nd" etc.. just seemed pretty negative.
I've had the same feeling the entire season, and although I think he's been a good to great signing I would prefer for him to leave after the season.
Yes, looks like Zlatan is leaving come summer, and while thanking him for his services, I would not be really sad to say goodbye. Brilliant player, strong character, but he's 35 and we need a real force to compete with Chelsea and City next season. We should be looking for a prime Zlatan or a prime RvN type of player.
If he plans to play like this better go now
I dont know how many only the gaffers do. You are talking about a different era when we were under fergie as well. They didnt spend big because we were winning, and Gill was doing the signings. Now we have a different perspective as we have a novice Woodward in charge and a team that is failing badly, so big money needs to be spent to get us back to a winning team, cant you see that?
Cappello reckond Belotti is better than Batigol so we should be looking at that