Zidane or Rodgers - If we hired a new manager immediately who would you prefer?

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So was Jose and LVG. Yet here we are.
Jose and LVG did not flop as badly as Ole has. Jose had 3rd season meltdown and was sacked after a bad run, that Ole has had 4-5 of over the past 3 years.

LVG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing level on points with City despite playing world class academy players like McNair, Blackett, Jackson, Love…

In total they won 3 trophies.

In 3 years.. Ole has spent £450m, been given every player he’s asked for. Won nothing, overseen several dreadful runs and lost 5-0 to liverpool and had City beat us 2-0 without even trying.

So let’s end this myth that others have failed. No they just didn’t meet exceptionally high standards that we had as an elite club.., but the disgusting thing is that if today ole achieved what LVG or Mourinho achieved Ole would be called a success that is how much he has lowered standards and expectations.
 
Who in their right mind could pick Brentan?!

Having FOUR threads in the United Forum with Rodgers name in the title is making me ill

I never wanted Moyes nor Jose but this would be the worst hire yet - don't want him anywhere near Old Trafford
Why would he be worse than Moyes?
 
Of the two - Zidane. I want Ten Haag of course but it looks like its not happening. If we're to believe the tabloids its down to Brentan or Pochettino. Both massive bottlers who will be perfect for securing plucky 4th placed finishes for the next ten years.
 
Zizou.. every day of the week... Rodgers is tainted due to the fact of his connection with the Dippers.. I'd rather stick with Ole until the end of the season than employ Rodgers, such is my hatred for everything about Liverpool FC.
 
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Ya know it's really funny that many people from our diverse fanbase want Zizu. He was receiving exactly the same criticisms when he was Real Madrid manager that he wasn't a good manager and was always bailed out by the superstar players they had at the time .
 
Ya know it's really funny that many people from our diverse fanbase want Zizu. He was receiving exactly the same criticisms when he was Real Madrid manager that he wasn't a good manager and was always bailed out by the superstar players they had at the time .

Yeah, that's really funny. I would find it hysterical if Ole was bailed out all the way to the biggest titles season after season.
 
Ya know it's really funny that many people from our diverse fanbase want Zizu. He was receiving exactly the same criticisms when he was Real Madrid manager that he wasn't a good manager and was always bailed out by the superstar players they had at the time .

At least he was bailed out to 3 CL titles though.

Ole is so bad bailing him out still amounts to struggling to get out of the group stage.
 
Zidane, because he’s a winner.
(I’d still prefer Ten Hag though)
I believe ZZ has one eye on the France job after next World Cup.
 
Jose and LVG did not flop as badly as Ole has. Jose had 3rd season meltdown and was sacked after a bad run, that Ole has had 4-5 of over the past 3 years.

LVG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing level on points with City despite playing world class academy players like McNair, Blackett, Jackson, Love…

In total they won 3 trophies.
But, but , but Ole restored the “feel good factor” and played “the United way” or some such gibberish.

In 3 years.. Ole has spent £450m, been given every player he’s asked for. Won nothing, overseen several dreadful runs and lost 5-0 to liverpool and had City beat us 2-0 without even trying.

So let’s end this myth that others have failed. No they just didn’t meet exceptionally high standards that we had as an elite club.., but the disgusting thing is that if today ole achieved what LVG or Mourinho achieved Ole would be called a success that is how much he has lowered standards and expectations.
 
No one is comming.at least this season.just prepare enough quantites of sedatives.i did.
 
Jose and LVG did not flop as badly as Ole has. Jose had 3rd season meltdown and was sacked after a bad run, that Ole has had 4-5 of over the past 3 years.

LVG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing level on points with City despite playing world class academy players like McNair, Blackett, Jackson, Love…

In total they won 3 trophies.

In 3 years.. Ole has spent £450m, been given every player he’s asked for. Won nothing, overseen several dreadful runs and lost 5-0 to liverpool and had City beat us 2-0 without even trying.

So let’s end this myth that others have failed. No they just didn’t meet exceptionally high standards that we had as an elite club.., but the disgusting thing is that if today ole achieved what LVG or Mourinho achieved Ole would be called a success that is how much he has lowered standards and expectations.
QFT

Ole spending £108m (DVB, Sancho) to use as bench warmers, beggars belief.
 
Jose and LVG did not flop as badly as Ole has. Jose had 3rd season meltdown and was sacked after a bad run, that Ole has had 4-5 of over the past 3 years.

LVG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing level on points with City despite playing world class academy players like McNair, Blackett, Jackson, Love…

In total they won 3 trophies.

In 3 years.. Ole has spent £450m, been given every player he’s asked for. Won nothing, overseen several dreadful runs and lost 5-0 to liverpool and had City beat us 2-0 without even trying.

So let’s end this myth that others have failed. No they just didn’t meet exceptionally high standards that we had as an elite club.., but the disgusting thing is that if today ole achieved what LVG or Mourinho achieved Ole would be called a success that is how much he has lowered standards and expectations.
Well said best thing on this thread
 
Ya know it's really funny that many people from our diverse fanbase want Zizu. He was receiving exactly the same criticisms when he was Real Madrid manager that he wasn't a good manager and was always bailed out by the superstar players they had at the time .
In the league maybe, but you don't get bailed out or fluke your way to 3 CLs in a row. If anything, Pep is the one who managed the greatest Barca side of all time, perhaps even in football. Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, prime Henry, prime Eto'o, Yaya Toure, Dani Alves, Puyol, Pique. It was ridiculous.
 
63% of people have already said they don’t want Rodgers

so you put him up against a multiple CL winning legend of the game and you expect what exactly?
 
63% of people have already said they don’t want Rodgers

so you put him up against a multiple CL winning legend of the game and you expect what exactly?

Thread of the year?
 
I'd go for Zidane just because I feel that Rodgers will always kind of be available; because he is ultimately a homegrown manager.

The chance of Zidane managing 2 clubs in the PL is slim.
 
I'd go for Zidane just because I feel that Rodgers will always kind of be available; because he is ultimately a homegrown manager.

The chance of Zidane managing 2 clubs in the PL is slim.

Yeah it does feel like this is probably our one chance to get him whereas like you say Rodgers could become available again
 
Ya know it's really funny that many people from our diverse fanbase want Zizu. He was receiving exactly the same criticisms when he was Real Madrid manager that he wasn't a good manager and was always bailed out by the superstar players they had at the time .
Well, that criticism tends to be from pundits or fans who know little to nothing about management. I think people who actually know the sport know it's always been nonsense and you don't get lucky winning 3 CLs, and especially not winning 2 Ligas. Kind of hard to get lucky consistently for a 38 game-season twice.

That being said though, there are so many obstacles to Zidane coming (language barrier, not a fan of England, wants the French NT, family) that it almost feels like a non-starter, but crazier things have happened.
 
Well, that criticism tends to be from pundits or fans who know little to nothing about management. I think people who actually know the sport know it's always been nonsense and you don't get lucky winning 3 CLs, and especially not winning 2 Ligas. Kind of hard to get lucky consistently for a 38 game-season twice.


That’s a very arrogant thing to say altogether especially since you are devolving the argument to a question of luck when that isn’t the premise being put forward.

I believe an element of the arguement is that Madrid were a team of galcticos who were difficult to pull together. They needed someone they respected collectively to take hold of the dressing room. Zidane was the right person at the right time - a legend of the club automatically gained buy in from players who had idolised him as a player.

Collectively, the combination of the quality of the squad and their commitment to playing for that manager was gold. However, in big games Madrid were happy to adopt a counter attacking approach despite their wealth of talent and this led to some quarters questioning Zidanes technical coaching ability being that his team of stars could still not dominate teams consistently in the same way as Rijkards or Peps Barcelona or Bayern or more recently Klopp Liverpool, City. Regardless, he got amazing results.

so the argument is possibly that Zidanes perfect storm was Real Madrid and that squad. At Utd , he would have less adulation from the supporters, may not be as revered in the dressing room and certainly would not have as talented a squad. Is he a coach that can get a tune out of any set of players through coaching them to play in his set philosophy and style, interchanging players without losing quality of performance? Or is he, as many suspect, a manager who can motivate and inspire but, without the many factors that contributed to his success at Madrid and in club that he has no emotional connection to, will ultimately will fall short against the very best technical managers in the game?

The argument is not about luck at all so it’s a strange thing to insult other fans about.
 
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Well, that criticism tends to be from pundits or fans who know little to nothing about management. I think people who actually know the sport know it's always been nonsense and you don't get lucky winning 3 CLs, and especially not winning 2 Ligas. Kind of hard to get lucky consistently for a 38 game-season twice.

That being said though, there are so many obstacles to Zidane coming (language barrier, not a fan of England, wants the French NT, family) that it almost feels like a non-starter, but crazier things have happened.

Yeah, you can fluke one cup competition now and then, to win it 3 times and then 2 la liga titles shows how good he is.
 
Zidane of course. It would be a trip if he managed United.

Literally would be amazing to have him associated with us. Whilst I don't think he is a fantastic manager, his record is great and most the squad idolised him growing up and he would command respect immediately
 
Jose and LVG did not flop as badly as Ole has. Jose had 3rd season meltdown and was sacked after a bad run, that Ole has had 4-5 of over the past 3 years.

LVG was sacked after winning the FA cup and finishing level on points with City despite playing world class academy players like McNair, Blackett, Jackson, Love…

In total they won 3 trophies.

In 3 years.. Ole has spent £450m, been given every player he’s asked for. Won nothing, overseen several dreadful runs and lost 5-0 to liverpool and had City beat us 2-0 without even trying.

So let’s end this myth that others have failed. No they just didn’t meet exceptionally high standards that we had as an elite club.., but the disgusting thing is that if today ole achieved what LVG or Mourinho achieved Ole would be called a success that is how much he has lowered standards and expectations.

Like the other poster said, best post in this thread.
 
Zidane is free and he is a very well proven successful manager in a short time, even huge names with amazing squads couldn't win a back to back C.L, let alone 3 in a row., not anybody can do that. And we are desperate to get a new manager so as a club like us it is expected to do everything to lure him and get him now. But our board can feck all our expectations just right off, and they still trust Ole it seems.
 
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Rodgers is a massive upgrade on Ole, lets face it.

Zizou for me though. Has a great record (even though he had a great team) but you cant really argue with 3 UCL titles on the trot whatever team you have ...just ask Pep!!

Enough damage has already been done to our league challenge and top 4 might even be tough after this start. Who better to have a bash at the UCL to try and make sure we're in it next year (and so Ronaldo doesn't leave).

Also, I feel like Zidane would give us the greatest chance of keeping Pogba, and he would probably utilise him correctly/get the best out of him. Then you also factor in Varane and Ronaldo who have both worked under him previously with much success, there's a lot going for his appointment.

There's no doubt that he would instantly command respect from our squad so none of this matey matey nice guy bull anymore.

We all know deep down that we're gonna be stuck with Ole though!
I don't get excited for games anymore, in fact I dread it even when we are playing weak opposition.
Also if we do keep Ole, miss out on UCL and Ronaldo leaves I don't think I could forgive Ole for that.
 
Well, that criticism tends to be from pundits or fans who know little to nothing about management. I think people who actually know the sport know it's always been nonsense and you don't get lucky winning 3 CLs, and especially not winning 2 Ligas. Kind of hard to get lucky consistently for a 38 game-season twice.

That being said though, there are so many obstacles to Zidane coming (language barrier, not a fan of England, wants the French NT, family) that it almost feels like a non-starter, but crazier things have happened.
Language barrier only applies when its a different language other than english. Pep is doing good at City and is now an Oasis fan. Dont forget that Gary Neville didnt speak spanish and he was a massive success at Valencia. He only knew uno dos tres.
 
Can’t we get a manager with a decent haircut Instead of these two slapheads FFS!!
 
Funny that, we got one of our greatest managers ever from Liverpool.


Completely different times and eras.


The rivalry has changed so dramatically since then, the bad blood is real now, from both teams dominating football, to Munich and Hillsborough since then to the bad chanting etc..............then living in the social media era where everything documented and recorded.


I don't think it's even close to same at all.




As for the question, Zidane, easy choice.
 
That’s a very arrogant thing to say altogether especially since you are devolving the argument to a question of luck when that isn’t the premise being put forward.

I believe an element of the arguement is that Madrid were a team of galcticos who were difficult to pull together. They needed someone they respected collectively to take hold of the dressing room. Zidane was the right person at the right time - a legend of the club automatically gained buy in from players who had idolised him as a player.

Collectively, the combination of the quality of the squad and their commitment to playing for that manager was gold. However, in big games Madrid were happy to adopt a counter attacking approach despite their wealth of talent and this led to some quarters questioning Zidanes technical coaching ability being that his team of stars could still not dominate teams consistently in the same way as Rijkards or Peps Barcelona or Bayern or more recently Klopp Liverpool, City. Regardless, he got amazing results.

so the argument is possibly that Zidanes perfect storm was Real Madrid and that squad. At Utd , he would have less adulation from the supporters, may not be as revered in the dressing room and certainly would not have as talented a squad. Is he a coach that can get a tune out of any set of players through coaching them to play in his set philosophy and style, interchanging players without losing quality of performance? Or is he, as many suspect, a manager who can motivate and inspire but, without the many factors that contributed to his success at Madrid and in club that he has no emotional connection to, will ultimately will fall short against the very best technical managers in the game?

The argument is not about luck at all so it’s a strange thing to insult other fans about.
Spot on.
 
Who in their right mind could pick Brentan?!

Having FOUR threads in the United Forum with Rodgers name in the title is making me ill

I never wanted Moyes nor Jose but this would be the worst hire yet - don't want him anywhere near Old Trafford

Yeah you'd think with terrible form recently and it being an international break people would take the time to forget about football for a while and focus on something else in their lives. Apparently not though.
 
That’s a very arrogant thing to say altogether especially since you are devolving the argument to a question of luck when that isn’t the premise being put forward.

I believe an element of the arguement is that Madrid were a team of galcticos who were difficult to pull together. They needed someone they respected collectively to take hold of the dressing room. Zidane was the right person at the right time - a legend of the club automatically gained buy in from players who had idolised him as a player.

Collectively, the combination of the quality of the squad and their commitment to playing for that manager was gold. However, in big games Madrid were happy to adopt a counter attacking approach despite their wealth of talent and this led to some quarters questioning Zidanes technical coaching ability being that his team of stars could still not dominate teams consistently in the same way as Rijkards or Peps Barcelona or Bayern or more recently Klopp Liverpool, City. Regardless, he got amazing results.

so the argument is possibly that Zidanes perfect storm was Real Madrid and that squad. At Utd , he would have less adulation from the supporters, may not be as revered in the dressing room and certainly would not have as talented a squad. Is he a coach that can get a tune out of any set of players through coaching them to play in his set philosophy and style, interchanging players without losing quality of performance? Or is he, as many suspect, a manager who can motivate and inspire but, without the many factors that contributed to his success at Madrid and in club that he has no emotional connection to, will ultimately will fall short against the very best technical managers in the game?

The argument is not about luck at all so it’s a strange thing to insult other fans about.
Devolving what argument? You're quoting me as if I was responding to you when I wasn't, this had nothing to do with whatever argument you've come up with in your mind. There's been plenty of people who basically reduced Zidane's success to luck, you can find some of those comments on here, but it's been in quite a few places, and I'll very humbly maintain that it is a dumb and ignorant opinion.

Can you see how dumb the bolded part would be to question when he has consistently gotten the best out of managers in the big games, or taken apart Barcelona which was a juggernaut still when he became the coach of Madrid? There's nothing wrong with the technique his team displayed, and he consistently found ways to tweak his tactics to his opposition. This is why he's sitting on three CLs and the poster boys for 'technical' management are at one combined since Zidane's been a manager, and that one came while he went on his sabbatical.

Finally, the last argument you made would be interesting if Zidane didn't prove himself with his second stint at Madrid, taking over a team most people thought didn't have much of a shot at doing much and ended up winning La Liga and ending with a semi-final run to the CL.

There is no valid argument to doubt Zidane at this point. I have more doubts about managers like Pep or Klopp than I do about Zidane and the results will tend to agree with me so far.
 
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