Your chance to be SAF - for five minutes.

WeasteDevil

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It will become a bit long winded this, so only serious posters will probably play this! :D The rest (I wonder how many that is - could be all of you :eek: ) can make their usual comments, or if they wish - do a shortened version without the descriptions.

With all this talk about buying and selling players left right and centre, and the number of names that are being banded about, it's obvious that we are not going to get every one of them.

So, try to be SAF for a minute and say who you would get in, who you would get rid of, and why.

The Basic Rules Are:

1. The Board will give you a budget of 20m (No more due to previous two seasons spending), you do not have to spend all of it.
2. You can bring in a maximum of three players (SAF will not go for more than that) although if you think we only need one so be it.
3. You can sell as many players as you like.
4. Any proceeds gained from the sale of players you can add to your 20m budget.
5. Any money left over goes back to the board.

So:

A) First state which players you would sell or let go on a free, and why along with the fee you think you would get for them.
B) Add any incoming money to your 20m budget.
C) Define up to three of what you see as our main weak spots, and why.
D) Name the players you would bring in to fill each of those weak spots that you identify, why you think the choosen player would be ideal, and state how much you are willing to pay for them.
E) State you final outlay and how much if anything you will be giving back to the board. This cannot be a negative number or you will be sacked.
F) State each position on the field, and who our of your new squad you would consider using (in order of preference).
G) State your fist choice 11s for your two prefered formations along with the 5 subs for each. Obviously this is the idea when all fit scenario. Other players from the quad would come in in case of injury, but that's a bit too complicated to describe here.

NB. Those who want to do shortened versions can leave out the descriptions and skip F)

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I'll go first.
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A) Players out.
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1. May (FREE) - has served his useful purpose. We have a good collection of young defenders now and need to strip the wage bill.

2. Blanc (FREE) - again, passed his sell by date, and really is no longer needed. Offer him a coaching contract.

3. Chadwick (1.5m pounds) - Has not been able to cut the mustard since his debut and several first team games. Is too slight and clumsy, will not make the grade IMO. Also cuts the wage bill.

4. Fortune (3m pounds) - Has not been able to provide enough competition for Giggs. Is a good player, and has suffered with injury, but not quite of the right class. Cuts the wage bill.


B) Amount of money available to spend.
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24.5m pounds

C) Our main weak spots.
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1. A fourth centre forward. Having just three specialised forwards is not enough for a club that fights for silverware on three main fronts, and at times another when taken seriously. This is especially a problem when injuries occur, especially to the first and second choices.

2. We need to inject pace into the side and that has traditionally come from the wings in the case of Manchester United - something we seem to have been lacking of late. We also need a winger (Fortune I have sold) that has the quality to provide competition to Giggs especially, but also to Beckham, so he needs to be flexible enough to play on both sides of the field.

3. Our fullback positions are still weak due to the lack of specialist players in those positions. We really only have Gary Neville who is a specialist rightback. Silvestre and O'Shea can play leftback, but neither are specialist leftbacks. Would be good if the player could also play rightback if cover is required.


D) The players I would bring in.
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1. Thomas Cristiansen, 29 years old (3m pounds) - IMO is an excellent player that has had a few bad times in the past, suffered through injuries and burnout in his youth, but now starting to show why Barça signed him at 16 and played him from that age in their second team. I like mature players, he has decent pace, good ball control, good shot, holds the ball well, and will not complain about warming the bench. Good short term buy on an initial 2yr contract.

2. Denilson, 25 years old (15m pounds) - Winger, got pace, got skill, mainly a left sided player but can play on both sides. Just what we need to give Giggs a good kick up the arse. He has a huge buy-out clause in his contract with Betis that would have to be paid if we wanted to sign him without the permission of Betis, however if we dangled 15m cash in front of their noses I think that they would take it in the current financial climate. A club of their standing could add two or three excellent players to their squad for the price and improve themseleves generally.

3. Julien Escude, 22 years old (4.5m pounds) - Young fullback highly rated, can play both left and right. We have already tried to sign him before for the stated fee, but injuries and Rennes 5m valuation along with the shear size of the Rio Ferdinand deal scuppered our plans last summer. This summer we will go again.


E) My outlay
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22.5m pounds spent.
24.5m pounds budget.
2m pounds to be returned to the board.
Club outlay - 18m pounds.


F) My squad and their positions and order of preference.
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Goalkeepers:
1. Barthez
2. Ricardo
3. Carrol

Rightbacks:
1. Gary Neville
2. Brown
3. O'Shea
4. Escude

Leftbacks:
1. Escude
2. Silvestre
3. O'Shea
4. Phil Neville

Centrebacks:
1. Rio Ferdinand
2. Roy Keane
3. Wes Brown
4. Silvestre
5. John O'Shea

Rightwing:
1. David Beckham
2. Denilson
3. Solskjaer
4. Verón

Leftwing:
1. Ryan Giggs
2. Denilson
3. Forlan
4. Verón

Centre Midfield:
1. Verón
2. Scholes
3. Butt
4. Keane
5. Beckham
6. Giggs

Forward:
1. RVN
2. Solskjaer
3. Christiansen
4. Forlan
5. Scholes
6. Giggs

Everywhere:
1. Phil Neville
2. John O'Shea


G) My formations and tactics.
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The 4-5-1

--------------------- Barthez --------------------

--------------- Rio ----------- Keane ------------

--- GNev ------------------------------ Escude ---

------------- Verón ----------- Butt -------------

--- Beckham --------- Scholes ------- Denilson ---

----------------------- RVN ----------------------

Subs:
Ricardo
Silvestre (Centre & left)
Brown (Centre & right)
Giggs (Leftwing & strike)
Solskjaer (Strike & Rightwing)

NB. Keane can also come into midfield if required. Team can easily change into 4-4-2 or -4-3-3.


The 4-4-2

--------------------- Barthez --------------------

--- GNev -------- Rio ------- Keane --- Escude ---

--- Beckham ---- Scholes ----- Butt ---- Giggs ---

------------- RVN ------------- Solskjaer --------

Subs:
Ricardo
Silvestre (Same as 4-5-1)
Brown (Same)
Denilson (Wings)
Cristiansen (Strike)

NB: Again, Keane can move into midfield if required.


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There you go, the board in my case only shell out 18 million quid. 4 players out, three players in. :)
 
It will be interesting to see what all those who band around big names all the time would come up with. Come on, 20m pounds you have. What do you suggest?
 
Not so much of my "ideal" scenario but what I believe is most likely to happen:

OUT:

David May
Laurent Blanc
Luke Chadwick
And a host of other youth players

IN:

Either one of Beattie or Gudhjohnsen
One Portugese starlet (from Sporting or otherwise)
Julien Escude
Burdisso
 
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>
One Portugese starlet (from Sporting or otherwise)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Great managerial style. 'Just get me one of those portugese lads'.
 
BTW. Shortened versions could look like this:

A) Players out.
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1. May (FREE)
2. Blanc (FREE)
3. Chadwick (1.5m pounds)
4. Fortune (3m pounds)

B) Amount of money available to spend.
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24.5m pounds

C) Our main weak spots.
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1. A fourth centre forward
2. A pacey winger
3. A flexible fullback

D) The players I would bring in.
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1. Thomas Cristiansen, 29 years old (3m pounds)
2. Denilson, 25 years old (15m pounds)
3. Julien Escude, 22 years old (4.5m pounds)

E) My outlay
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Club outlay - 18m pounds.

G) My formations and tactics.
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The 4-5-1

-------------- Barthez --------------
-- GNev ---- Rio - Keane --- Escude -
- Beckham - Verón - Butt - Denilson -
------------ Scholes ----------------
------------------ RVN --------------

Subs:
Ricardo
Silvestre (Centre & left)
Brown (Centre & right)
Giggs (Leftwing & strike)
Solskjaer (Strike & Rightwing)

;)
 
A) Players out.
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1. May (FREE)
2. Nicky Butt (8m pounds)
3. Chadwick (1.5m pounds)
4. Fortune (3m pounds)

B) Amount of money available to spend.
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32.5m pounds

C) Our main weak spots.
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1. A fourth centre forward
2. A pacey winger
3. Defender

Agreed

D) The players I would bring in.
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1. James Beattie (12m pounds)
Has got a way to go but has 18 goals this season against top opposition and from a mediocre midfield. Got to be worth a go. Get him now and avoid another Shearer situation.

2. Kewell (14m pounds)
Very good player. Shoots, dribbles passes and he WILL work for United. I think he would bite our hands off to come to OT. Leeds may argue at the price and TV might leave but who cares they'll sell. Direct competition for Giggsy.

3. Escude (4.5m pounds)
Agree with Weastie on that one.


E) My outlay
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Club outlay - 30.5m pounds.

Back to board - 2m pounds

G) My formations and tactics.
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The 4-5-1

-------------- Barthez --------------
-- GNev ---- Rio - O'Shea --- Escude -
- Beckham - Verón - Keane - Kewell -
------------ Scholes ----------------
------------------ RVN --------------

Subs:
Ricardo
Silvestre (Centre & left)
Wes (Centre & right)
Giggs (Leftwing & strike)
Solskjaer (Strike & Rightwing)

I would try to play O'Shea in front of the defence from time to time with Keano covering. And try to mould the youngster into a Viera type role for the future. Hence selling Nicky.

The 4-4-2

-------------- Barthez --------------
-- GNev ---- Rio - O'Shea/Keane --- Escude -
- Beckham - Verón - Scholes - Kewell -
--------------Beattie, RVN --------------

Subs:
Ricardo
Silvestre (Centre & left)
Wes (Centre & right)
Forlan (Leftwing & strike)
Solskjaer (Strike & Rightwing)

Sorry to Giggsy. But his crossing isn't up to much these days and with Beattie in we would need to maximise crosses. Forlan coming inside on his right foot is another potential threat we could pose. The league may become a little rigourous for Keano so I would use him less.
 
Thanx John, interesting choices you've made. We agree on the illness and symptoms, just not on the specific medicine. ;)

Anyone else?
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Great managerial style. 'Just get me one of those portugese lads'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Waste, why would you elevate Escude to first choice LB in his first season ahead of Silvestre and O'Shea? Beggars belief that.

Out

May, Blanc, Barthez (3m), Giggs (15m).

In

Cudicini (5m), Kewell (8m), Cisse (10m).

May and Blanc are obviously going anyway, Barthez just isn't who I want in goal and never will be and Giggs is too inconsistent and we could get good money for him. No room for sentiment here I'm afraid.

Cudicini is the best keeper in Britain imo, Kewell is the best left winger - in a good team I think he'd thrive - he's the arrogant aussie type, he's got pace too, finally Cisse cos he's bound to become the next Henry/Trezeguet, though I'd ban him from dying his facial hair blonde.


I'd play:

Cudicini

Neville---Brown---Silvestre---O'Shea

Beckham---Veron---Scholes---Kewell

RVN---Cisse

I'd also rotate so that this wouldn't be a "first choice 11" the likes of Keane, Butt, OGS, Ferdinand, Fortune would all play as much a part as the players I have listed above.
 
Well, here goes:

Out:

Blanc - Free
May - Free
Chadwick - 1.5m
Djordic - 0.5m
Webber - 1m
Davis - 0.5m
Giggs - 15m
Stewart - 1.5m

total - 20m

Players in:

Cisse (20m): Lightening quick, strong, big and will scare defenders senseless. We need a new quick striker IMO. He will compliment RVN brilliantly. Our version of Henry if you like.

Escude(5m): We need a new LB IMO. SAF obviously wants him, so thats good enough for me.

Duff(15m): Proven in the PL, he will replace Giggs in my team. I think he could easily replace Giggs for us.

I would also promote Eagles, Timm, Fletcher and Richardson to full first team squad members.

GK:

Fab
Ricardo
Carroll

RB:
JOS
GNev
Wes
PNev

LB:
Micky
Escude
JOS
PNev

CB:
Rio
Wes
Micky
JOS
GNev
Escude
Keano

RM:

Becks
Ole
Veron
Forlan
Duff
Timm

CM:
Keane
Veron
Scholes
Butt
PNev
Fletcher
Eagles

LM:
Duff
Veron
Fortune
Richardson
Scholes
Ole

CF:
Ruud
Cisse
Ole
Forlan
Scholes
Eagles
Timm

Team: 4-4-2

------Fab
JOS----Rio----Wes---Micky
Becks---Keane---Veron----Duff
----Ruud---Cisse

Subs:
Ricardo
GNev - RB&CB
Scholes - all MF
Ole - wing+CF
Butt - CM

Alternative:

3-1-3-3

---------Fab
---Wes----Rio-----JOS
----------Keane
Becks---Veron----Scholes
Cisse----Ruud-----Duff
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I'd also rotate so that this wouldn't be a "first choice 11" the likes of Keane, Butt, OGS, Ferdinand, Fortune would all play as much a part as the players I have listed above.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The rotating thing is obvious, depending on injuries and who we are playing and in what competition, so I didn't think I needed to spell it out.

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Waste, why would you elevate Escude to first choice LB in his first season ahead of Silvestre and O'Shea? Beggars belief that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because he is a fullback, I do not believe that O'Shea or Silvestre are. In the case of O'Shea I agree with John. I think he is becoming groomed to be the midfield engine room. He has all the traits for it as long as he can develop his stamina, and I've not seen him looking tired yet.

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>In

Cudicini (5m), Kewell (8m), Cisse (10m).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you reckon you could get those three so cheap? Didn't Auxerre turn down 15m from some club or other in the summer?
 
I didn't read all your post so there's no need to get your knickers in a twist about me mentioning rotation. That was what I would do - just making it clear.

A big no to O'Shea being a midfield man. He's the best looking full back I have ever seen at United.

I think Cudicini and Kewell could probably be had for those sums, you may well be right about Cisse but there's a lot less money around than there used to be - that's why loan signings have been en vogue of late. 10m is worth as much as 20m was 2 or 3 years ago.
 
I say that O'Shea will end up in midfield because from what I've seen he's too good a footballer to be a defender.
 
20m is probably not enough for the players I'd like.

OUT
May
Blanc
Chadders

WEAK POINTS(I agree)
Fourth striker
wide pacy midfielder
full back

IN
Cisse -maybe18mil(could be the single player to transform us offensively)
Escude( a bonus if he can play RB )
Quaresma, RW but maybe could play LW also, Figo does well there- cuts inside to run/shoot at goal

Worth bearing in mind that there are also a couple of quality youngsters edging closer to the first team- Fletcher(cm) and Timm(am-fwd)

The defence looks good, it has a lot of versatility to it and another LB would make it complete.

Also there is a 19yo LW, Hotteck(Sparta Prague) we are reportedly looking at, something may happen with that.
 
Players Out:
David May (free)
Blanc (free- offer coaching job though)
Chadwick (1.5 million)
Giggs (12 million)
Total Spending Money: 33.5 million

Players In

Cisse (15 million)- A toss up between him and Ronaldinho, i picked cisse on this occasion because i dont think ronaldinhos life style will go down to well. A la yorkie. Anyone whos seen an auxerre match will see that Cisse is an immense talent, quick, strong, good vision and can head it. Hed be perfect with RVN

Quaresma (9 million?)- Sounds a good prospect, ive seen a bit of him. I confess i dont know alot but he seems pacey, ready to take on defenders and can cross it. Im not sure if he CAN play left wing, but ove seen him drift onto the left wing. Ill estimate his cost at 9 million.

Van Buyten (8 million)- I dont think Keano likes it at centre back, John O cant quite play there yet, so i think we need cover for Rio and Wes, as Mickey will be out on the left. This guy seems great from what ive seen, strong, confident, tackles well and even gets the odd goal.

Bellion (free?-1m)- Raw talent. Needs to be brung on a bit, but i think he could suceed. Give it a shot. Hope we dont end up over-flowing with strikers though.

Money Spare: 500 grand

Line Up:

----------------Barthez-------------------

-G.Neville---Rio---VanBuyten/Brown---Silvestre---

------------------Keane--------------------------

--Beckham-----Veron/Scholes---------Quaresma----

------------RNV------Cisse-----------------------

Subs
Ricardo
Brown/Van Buyten (DOF)
Solskjaer
Forlan/Bellion/Butt/O'Shea (DOF)
Scholes

DOF- Depending on Form
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I pondered over whether Ole would leave, i love ole and think he's a great finisher, but he's 30 now and may not get a regular starting place, is it fair to keep a player whos entering his latter years, on the bench?
Never the less, i gave him the benefit of the doubt and kept him.

So there we are. Good topic, by the way. Interesting.

Can someone confirm for me if Quaresma actually plays left wing?
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Great managerial style. 'Just get me one of those portugese lads'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm too lazy to type out all the quaresmas of this world

;)
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Great managerial style. 'Just get me one of those portugese lads'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You sound just like Wenger.
<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
A) Players out.
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1. May (FREE) - has served his useful purpose. We have a good collection of young defenders now and need to strip the wage bill.

2. Blanc (FREE) - again, passed his sell by date, and really is no longer needed. Offer him a coaching contract.

3. Chadwick (1.5m pounds) - Has not been able to cut the mustard since his debut and several first team games. Is too slight and clumsy, will not make the grade IMO. Also cuts the wage bill.

4. Fortune (3m pounds) - Has not been able to provide enough competition for Giggs. Is a good player, and has suffered with injury, but not quite of the right class. Cuts the wage bill.

5. Giggs (18m pounds) - Just need the fund and I honestly thinnk Giggsy has lost a bit of the magic.

B) Amount of money available to spend.
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42.5m pounds

C) Our main weak spots.
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1. Having sold Giggsy, Fortune, we need someone for the left midfield berth.

2. Pace, genuine pace upfront to provide a different option.

3. With Silvestre looking a equally comfortable at left back and centre back, we need more cover at left back, right & centre we're reasonably well covered.

D) The players I would bring in.
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1. Andrei Shevchenko, (22m pounds) a player who has scored goals everywhere he has played and has genuine pace as well as strength. Would also provide cover/competition for Becks' right mid position.

2. Rafael Van der Vaart, (16m pounds) the replacement for Giggs, IMHO the best young player in European football.

3. Julien Escude, 22 years old (4.5m pounds) Cover for leftback and rightback, he's French so should adapt quite well, known to be a SAF target


E) My outlay
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42.5m pounds spent.
42.5m pounds budget.

F) My squad and their positions and order of preference.
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Goalkeepers:
1. Barthez
2. Ricardo
3. Carrol

Rightbacks:
1. O'Shea
2. Gary Neville
3. Brown
4. Escude

Leftbacks:
1. Silvestre
2. Escude
3. O'Shea
4. Phil Neville

Centrebacks:
1. Rio Ferdinand
2. Roy Keane
3. Wes Brown
4. John O'Shea
5. Mikael Silvestre

Rightwing:
1. David Beckham
2. Andrei Shevchenko
3. Solskjaer
4. Verón

Leftwing:
1. Van der Vaart
2. Solskjaer
3. Forlan
4. Scholes

Centre Midfield:
1. D Beckham
2. Veron
3. Scholes
4. Keane
5. Butt
6. Van der Vaart
7. Phil Neville

Forward:
1. Ruud Van Nistelrooy
2. Shevchenko
3. Solskjaer
4. Forlan
5. Scholes

Everywhere:
1. John O'Shea
2. Phil Neville

G) My formations and tactics.
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The 4-5-1

--------------------- Barthez --------------------
--------------- Rio ----------- Keane ------------
------ O'shea ---------------------- Silvestre ---
------------- Beckham --------- Veron ------------
--- Shevchenko ----- Scholes ---- Van der Vaart --
------------------ Van Nistelrooy ----------------

Subs:
Ricardo
Brown (Centre & right)
Solskjaer (Strike & Rightwing)
Butt (Midfield)
Escude (Left & right back)

The 4-4-2

--------------------- Barthez --------------------
--- O'shea ----- Rio ----- Keane --- Silvestre ---
--- Beckham ---- Scholes ----- Veron ---- VDV ----
------------ RVN ------------- Shevchenko --------
 
A
1)May (free)
2)Chadwick (1.5 million)
3)Giggs (15-17 million)
4)Fortune (2 million)
5)Richardson loan out
B
Total amount=38.5 million to 40 million

C
1)We need a player who can provide pace and creativity upfront.
2)We need some one to deliver from the LM position.
3)I dont trust the attacking abilities of Gaz.
i still think we can offer more if JOS plays
in that position.what we need is a Versatile full back .We also need a Box to Box player

D
1)It's btw Ronaldinho,Cisse,Lopez,Kluivert,
Totti.I will take Cisse(15-18 million).
2)There are three candidates
a)Denilson(?)
b)van der Vaart(15-18)
c)Solari(7-10)..
Denilson and Solari.. am not too sure how well they can adapt.i will go for van der vaart.
3)JOS can be groomed as an midfielder IMO.We can expect something extra out of out of Veron or scholes by the end of this season.So i will go for a defender ..Escude(4).


E
Total spent=34 to 40 million.

F
Goalkeepers
1. Barthez
2. Carrol
3. Ricardo

RB
1. Gaz
2. JOS
3. Escude

LB
1. Escude
2. Mickey
3. JOS

CB
1. Keane
2. Rio
3. Wes
4. Mickey
5. JOS

CM
1. Veron
2. Scholes
3. Butt
4. Keane
5. vdv
6. Pnev

RM
1. Becks
2. OGS
3. Veron

LM
1. vdv
2. JOS
3. Veron

FORWARD
1. RVN
2. OGS
3. Forlan
4. Scholes
5. Cisse

G) formations

1)4-4-2
a)---------------Fab -------------
--- JOS---Rio-----Keane --- Escude ---
--- Becks-Butt----Veron ---- VDV ----
-----------RVN ----OGS --------

2) 4-5-1

a)-----------Fab ------------
--------Rio ----- Keane ------
---JOS ---------------Escude ---
---------Veron----Butt -------------
--- Beckham -Scholes ---Vdv ---
-------------RVN -----------------

b)----------fab--------------
------------Rio--------------
----Gaz----Keane---Mickey-------
---Becks---Veron----JOS----
-------OGS-------vdv------
------------Ruud----------
Our team needs some components to be more flexible.Once we get these players ,tactics and formations might not be a big problem.we can even play 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-2-1 with these quality players.i think scholes and veron will improve their defensive aspects by the end of this season .
 
A) Players out.
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May and Blanc will leave for free. If possible I'll keep Blanc as a defensive coach.

Chadwick, 1.5M. Doesn't look likely to make it. United don't need him and he can do better than United reserves.

Stewart, .5M. Not good enough. His chance came and went with him being injured when we went trough the injury crisis earlier this season. Keane, Butt, Phizza, Fortune... We have many defensive midfielders better than Stewart.

Webber, Davis, Djordjic and Roche. Would bring in 1-2M. I can't see anyone of them make it at United. Would mean a younger reserve team and probably a reserve team losing often but players like Richardson, Fletcher and Timm will benefit from it in the long run.

I can also see one of Carroll or Ricardo leaving. If so, money brought in will cover for a new back up. I'd, however, like to keep them both, with Ricardo as no2.

C) Our main weak spots.
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Three strikers isn't enough. We also need another creative midfielder, most likely a winger. We could also do with another full back.

D) The players I would bring in.
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Byland is an obvious choice, but he'll need a season or two in the reserves.

As for others: Too easy, yet not easy enough to name names.

Priority one would be a young and strong striker, one who would be an alternative for Ruud but in an ideal world also a potential partner for Ruud. Cisse first choice. Beattie wouldn't be a bad choice. Or maybe Wayne Rooney?

Then I'd go for a creative midfielder. If possible it'll be either Duff or Kewell. Both are good enough and are already proven in the Premiership.

By now I'd probably wouldn't have any money left. But if I do I'd go for a full back. Escude is the first name that springs to mind.

F) My squad and their positions and order of preference & G) My formations and tactics.
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Goalkeeper:
Barthez (Ricardo, Carroll)

Defence:
Gaz - Rio - Wes - Micky
Back up: O'Shea, Phizza + Keano and maybe Escude

Midfield:
Keane - Seba
Becks - Scholes - Giggs
Back up: Butt, Fortune and Phizza covers for Keane and Seba
Offensive covers are Solskjaer, Forlan, Kewell/Duff - and the possibility of playing 2 strikers

Forward:
Ruud is the obvious first choice. Cisse (or who ever bought) is first choice back up. Solskjaer and Forlan will be used too, but not as strikers in a 4-5-1.
 
condensed - and forgive the spelling errors please

out giggs - 12m
butt - 8m
chaddie - 1m
may and white free (larry stays as coach)
monies in - 21

in - lovencrans LW - 5m
- rommadahl RW - 7m
- beatie CF - 12m
monies out - 24 (i'll find the 2 or 3m somewhere)

all youngish euro players no long international trips. add these to the side without any other departures.

GN , PN and QF can play multiple roles and are great squad players. i'd hate to lose butt , he'll need to move on to play more. and if MU can get the funds (+/- 20m for both him and giggs) then do it. if RK doesn't want to play next yr keep butt.
 
Youve got to look realistically though havent you. Rooney is a non-starter, hes a local liverpool lad playing for the team he supported as a kid. Plus hes evertons biggest asset.

Why would he want to join us, and primarily, why would Everton sell him?

Also, vijay, how can you buy Djibrel Cisse and not play him <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>Youve got to look realistically though havent you. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, realistically I'll never be Sir Alex for a second, never mind a day. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>
Also, vijay, how can you buy Djibrel Cisse and not play him <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

This is not our first team mate just a prototype formation.Cisse might be preferred over RVN or OGS depending on the tactics we are going to employ.
 
Players Out:

Ryan Giggs: £20m (Inter Milan)
Fabien Barthez: £7m (AC Milan or Monaco)
Juan Sebastian Veron: £20m (Barcelona)
David May: Free Tansfer
Laurent Blanc: Retired

Total In: £47m

Players In:

Harry Kewell: £10m
Carlo Cudicini: £10m
Djibril Cisse: £15m
Julien Escude: £3.5m
Barry Ferguson:£10m

Total Out: £48.5m

Original Transfer Budget: £20m
--Surplus: +18.5m

--------------------Cudicini---------------------

Silvestre-----Ferdinand-----Brown/Keane---Neville

Kewell-------Keane/Ferguson---Scholes----Beckham

-----------Van Nistelrooy----Cisse---------------

Reserves:

Carroll
Neville(P)
O'Shea
Butt
Forlan
Escude
Solksjaer
Ferguson.
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>

Also, vijay, how can you buy Djibrel Cisse and not play him <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


In an ideal world, any player who comes to United would accept rotation. I really hate this idea that you have to use a player because they cost a lot.

Players should be used when they're in form, whoever they are, and if that keeps someone out of the side, so be it. That's the idea of fighting for your place surely?
 
Barry Ferguson???!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Barry Ferguson???!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Pre-tell comdeian, the joke would be what?

B.F. young, strong, goal-scoring, box to box, British midfield player, fighting attitude, hunger etc. So the humour in that suggestion would lie where?

Pls tell because the fact you put three laughing faces :eek: shows you must have found it really funny!
 
simple

Van Bommel and Cisse

but we need 3-4 class squad players aswell
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>[qb]John</strong>
whats your logic behind selecting Beatie?He is no shearer plus he often disappears![/QB]<hr></blockquote>

He may not be a Shearer. As I said he has a way to go. One thing he is though, is dedicated. In the right hands he could be developed. 18 goals so far from an average midfield against top defences, that achievement is as good as Shearers when he was at Soton. The argument that he did sod all last season is not valid. End of. Players develop.

If we could get him for £12-15mil then I say do it. He may not work out but then thats a risk most clubs take. The list of gauranteed successes in the transfer market is extremely short IMO.

However, I do reckon Beattie would be good for 10-13 goals off the bench plus give us a 4-4-2 option and thats worth having. If he plays with Ruud in a 4-4-2 he will definitely have to be watched and thats where Ruud will get his breaks.

You would like a striker to score 20+ a season but it is not the be all and end all. Remember what Teddy brought to us.

My main concern is to take the pressure off Ruud. If that happens I can see Ruud getting as many as 30 premiership goals. If he was on target for that now (or even 25), we'd almost certainly be top.

We do not need £20 - £25mil worth of striker. Our problem there is not that big. Plus someone in that category would not want to sit on the bench.

I actually think that Beattie would be very flexible and wouldn't mind playing in rotation, coming on as sub or playing because of injuries. He would have more chance of winning something and it wouldn't do his England career much harm either.

If we don't get Beattie now then we could have another Shearer situation, meaning that we should have got Shearer when he left Southampton.
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>John
whats your logic behind selecting Beatie?He is no shearer plus he often disappears!</strong><hr></blockquote>

You think scoring 18 goals shows that he disappears?

Like John says, he's playing in front of Southampton's midfield, and often on his own. Stick him next to RVN with our midfield behind them and what happens?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

You think scoring 18 goals shows that he disappears?

Like John says, he's playing in front of Southampton's midfield, and often on his own. Stick him next to RVN with our midfield behind them and what happens?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Kinda makes you wonder, just how good is Ruud? ;)
 
Thats a different thread altogether, and get your flak jacket ready
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>So, try to be SAF for a minute and say who you would get in, who you would get rid of, and why.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A minute? How fast do you expect us to read? :eek:
 
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offload
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a)Veron 25 million juventus
b)Butt 4 million any club
c)May free
d)RoyKeane free
e)Chadwick 2 million
f)Fortune 3 million
g)Phil Neville 6 million
h)Blanc coaching contract for one more year
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inflow=60
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Entry
a)Duff 12 million
b)Robbie Keane 13 million
c)Escude 4 million
d)Djemba Djemba 4 million
e)Bellion 1 million
f)Davids 12 million
g)Pirlo 10 million
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outflow=56
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4411
------------------Barthez-------------------

----G.Neville----Ferdinand--Wes-----Silvestre----

----Beckham----Davids--Scholes---Duff/Giggs---

----------------------R.Keane----------------

----------------R.Van.Nis------------------
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OUT

Blanc (free)
May (free)
Giggs (15m)
Fortune (3m)
Djordic (.5m)
Keane (5m)

Total: £23.5 million (£43.5 million to spend)

Giggs, cos I think we'll be made an offer we can't turn down and because Giggs has given his best (sad to say as he's my favourite player).

Keane because he's serously got to look to his health. A less demanding league or less demanding position (CB)could prolong his career. We have a wealth of players at CB so if Celtic made us an offer, I could see him going.

Fortune - decent but not class enough to push for a regular position. Same with Djordic.

IN

Cisse (18 m) - pace and power. Able to play off RVN or as a lone striker.

Escude (4 m) - quality cover for Silvestre.

Duff (15 m) - pace, skill can play LW or behind the striker.

Quaresma (6.5 million) - fantastic prospect

TOTAL: £43.5 million.

Team

Barthez

G. Neville Rio O'Shea Silvetsre

Beckham Veron Butt Duff

RVN

Cisse