Your 23 Man Squad for next season

charlenefan

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GK
De Gea
???
Heaton

RB
???
AWB/Dalot

CB
???
Varane
Maguire
Lindelof

LB
Shaw
Telles

CM
???
???
Fred
McTominay
Bruno
VDB

RW
Sancho
Elanga

CF
Ronaldo
???

LW
???
Rashford


So I'm looking at needing a minimum of 7 new signings this summer :nervous: (wildly unrealistic)

GK - Hopefully we're selling Henderson to get some money in but at a minimum he's going out on loan which means we either have Heaton as number 2 or we bring someone in. Relying on Heaton seems risky

RB - Only one of AWB and Dalot can stay and even that is as a backup so need a new starting RB

CB - Bailly and Jones out, new starting CB needed to play alongside hopefully Varane

LB - not happy not addressing this position but it's probably one of the least pressing positions as long as Shaw can remain fit

CM - 2 new starting CM's needed to replace Pogba and Matic who are leaving on a free

RW/LW/CF - a lot depends on what happens with Greenwood. We may need to make piece with Martial being back involved as well but assuming Greenwood goes then a new wide attacker is needed plus a CF

Outs
Henderson
Jones
Bailly
Tuanzebe
AWB/Dalot
Williams
Andreas
Matic (free)
Pogba (free)
Mata (free)
Lingard (free)
Cavani (free)
 
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Sancho is our first choice left sided attacker going forward. No reason to change that up and play him anywhere but his strongest position.
 
I would get rid of as many as we can so that Ten Hag can have a fresh start

My squad:

De Gea

Maguire
Varane
Lindelof

Williams
Shaw

Fred
McTominay
Garner

Bruno
Meijbri

Sancho
Rashford
Elanga

Ronaldo

The rest of the players should be new or anyone that can be salvaged from the current squad.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
Realistically I think 4 players would be enough, quality over quantity.
2 CM's (starters, not too hard considering what we have), 1 RW (starter, can't rely on Elanga), 1 CB(him or Lindelof alongside Varane).
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I’d say we need a striker also, possibly a full back aswell and the positions you mentioned. 1 midfielder should be a defensive mid and the other should be a playmaker. Definitely a right winger seen as though we signed sancho for there but he’s now our starting LW… a solid CB to play alongside Varane is a must but you could argue that we need 2 cb. Phil Jones and Bailly will probably be sold and Varane gets injured a lot.
 
Retaining Maguire? He should be the first one to be sold to clear the trash brought in by OGS. Epitomises everything wrong with the club at the moment. AWB next. Am not sure Ronaldo stays without CL. And Varane is a crock. So not sure how people are taking him as a nailed on starter. Hope Sancho's potential is unlocked by ETH.
7-10 players is possible if we take in 2-3 free agents and promote suitable youth.
 
What an absolutely pointless thread.

It's basically just saying
De Gea, Bruno, Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane and 18 to be decided isn't it :D
 
RedBanker said:
Retaining Maguire? He should be the first one to be sold to clear the trash brought in by OGS. Epitomises everything wrong with the club at the moment. AWB next. Am not sure Ronaldo stays without CL. And Varane is a crock. So not sure how people are taking him as a nailed on starter. Hope Sancho's potential is unlocked by ETH.
7-10 players is possible if we take in 2-3 free agents and promote suitable youth.
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You'd sell Maguire before you sell Jones and Bailly neither of whom will ever be fit when needed? Fair enough sell all 3, as you say Varane can't be relied upon either so essentially you're left needing to buy at least 2 CB's on top of everything else

Please think realistically
 
Goalkeepers
De Gea
Raya
Heaton

Defenders
Dalot
Mazraoui
Varane
Lindelof
Tapsoba
Mengi
Shaw
Telles

Midfielders
Fred
Soler
Neves/Kamara
Bruno
Donny
Garner
Hannibal

Attackers
Ronaldo
Sancho
Nunez
Rashford
Raphinha
 
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In: Sam Johnstone (free), Tariq Lamptey (35m), Pau Torres (45m + Eric Bailly), Perr Schuurs (25m), Declan Rice (100m), Boubacar Kamara (free), Christian Eriksen (free), Raphinha (50m), Timo Werner (35m)

Out: Dean Henderson (30m), Lee Grant (free), Aaron Wan-Bissaka (30m), Phil Jones (5m), Eric Bailly (swap), Axel Tuanzebe (5m), Nemanja Matic (free), Paul Pogba (free), Andreas Pereira (5m), Juan Mata (free), Jesse Lingard (free), Mason Greenwood (free), Edinson Cavani (free)

Talents on loan: Kovar, Laird, Mengi, Garner, Hannibal, Pellistri, Garnacho, Diallo, Shoretire


------------------------ De Gea

--------------- Varane ----- Torres
-- Dalot -------------------------------------- Shaw
------------------ Rice -------- Fred
------------------------- Bruno
---- Raphinha ---------------------- Sancho
------------------------ Ronaldo


Squad: Johnstone, Lamptey, Telles, Williams, Maguire, Lindelof, Schuurs, McTominay, Kamara, Van de Beek, Eriksen, Elanga, Rashford, Martial, Werner

Maybe loan out Williams and Martial.
 
charlenefan said:
You'd sell Maguire before you sell Jones and Bailly neither of whom will ever be fit when needed? Fair enough sell all 3, as you say Varane can't be relied upon either so essentially you're left needing to buy at least 2 CB's on top of everything else

Please think realistically
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Yeah I will sell Maguire because when he plays he sabotages our cause. And if he stays, his price tag means that he won't sit on the bench. Realistically selling Maguire is priority number one. Another handful of donkey performances means his remaining value will be wiped off.
 
charlenefan said:
You'd sell Maguire before you sell Jones and Bailly neither of whom will ever be fit when needed? Fair enough sell all 3, as you say Varane can't be relied upon either so essentially you're left needing to buy at least 2 CB's on top of everything else

Please think realistically
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We do also have a lot of players on our books who could be a part of the squad.

Mengi
Laird
Garner
Tuanzebe
Diallo
Pellistri
Mejbri

I’d expect 2-3 of those to come into the squad next season in some capacity. The sheer size of our squad is still huge which leaves a possible 12-15 to leave and 6-7 coming in and still having a large enough squad.
 
AgentP said:
I would get rid of as many as we can so that Ten Hag can have a fresh start

My squad:

De Gea

Maguire
Varane
Lindelof

Williams
Shaw

Fred
McTominay
Garner

Bruno
Meijbri

Sancho
Rashford
Elanga

Ronaldo

The rest of the players should be new or anyone that can be salvaged from the current squad.
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I second this. Just about the perfect cull. Right back and midfield are our two main priorities with an attacker close behind, Raphina or someone of that ilk would be good. If we only got three quality players for those three positions this summer, I would be more than pleased along with getting rid of the players you have not included above of course.

That to me would be a successful summer. Laird and Mengi can also be promoted, let's find out if they are good enough. Sam Johnstone and Kamara both signed on frees then along with the the purchased players and we are on the right track.
 
Dave - Sam Johnstone
Livramento - Laird
Shaw - Telles
Harry - Varane - Lindelof - Kilman - Mengi
McTommy - Fred - Ramsey - Kamara
Bruno - Eriksen - Hannibal
Ronaldo - Broja - Rashford, Sancho, Elanga

or something along those lines
 
Avero said:
In: Sam Johnstone (free), Tariq Lamptey (35m), Pau Torres (45m + Eric Bailly), Perr Schuurs (25m), Declan Rice (100m), Boubacar Kamara (free), Christian Eriksen (free), Raphinha (50m), Timo Werner (35m)

Out: Dean Henderson (30m), Lee Grant (free), Aaron Wan-Bissaka (30m), Phil Jones (5m), Eric Bailly (swap), Axel Tuanzebe (5m), Nemanja Matic (free), Paul Pogba (free), Andreas Pereira (5m), Juan Mata (free), Jesse Lingard (free), Mason Greenwood (free), Edinson Cavani (free)

Talents on loan: Kovar, Laird, Mengi, Garner, Hannibal, Pellistri, Garnacho, Diallo, Shoretire


------------------------ De Gea

--------------- Varane ----- Torres
-- Dalot -------------------------------------- Shaw
------------------ Rice -------- Fred
------------------------- Bruno
---- Raphinha ---------------------- Sancho
------------------------ Ronaldo


Squad: Johnstone, Lamptey, Telles, Williams, Maguire, Lindelof, Schuurs, McTominay, Kamara, Van de Beek, Eriksen, Elanga, Rashford, Martial, Werner

Maybe loan out Williams and Martial.
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You are suggesting that we spend 235m this summer yet continue to start Dalot at right back? Ok.
 
Realistically:
De Gea or Henderson
Heaton
Shaw
Maguire
Varane
McTominay
Fred
Sancho
Elanga
Ronaldo
Bruno
New DM
New RB
New CM
New RW
New ST
+7 others

Sell as many as possible from:
De Gea or Henderson
Dalot
Telles
AWB
Bailly
Lindelof
Jones
VDB
Rashford
Martial
Williams
Pellistri
Pereira
Diallo
Mengi
Tuanzebe

Loan out:
Garner
Mejbri
Laird
 
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Goalkeepers
De Gea
Johnston
Heaton

Defenders
Dalot
Lampety
Varane
Lindelof
Maguire
Shaw
Telles
Pau

Midfielders
Fred
Tielemans
Kamara
Bruno
Van De Beek
McTominay
Laimer
Hannibal

Attackers
Ronaldo
Sancho
Rashford
Antony
Nunez
No11
 
GK
De Gea
New signing - Sam Johnstone ?
Heaton

RB
Lamptey
Laird

Sell AWB, Dalot

CBs
Varane
Lindelof
Maguire
Timber
Mengi

Sell Bailly, release Jones, loan Axel

LBs
Shaw
Williams

Sell Telles - not good enough

CMs
McTominay
Fred
Van de Beek
Garner
De Jong

Matic leaving, Pogba leaving, Lingard leaving

No 10s
Bruno
Hannibal

RWs
Antony
Elanga
Diallo

CFs
Ronaldo
Nunez

Cavani leaving

LWs
Sancho
Rashford
 
The players I want out are:



Definetely leaving:
Pogba
Matic
Lingard
Mata
Cavani

Most likely to leave:
Pereira
Bailly
Jones
Henderson

Wish list to be let go if a buyer is found:
Maguire
Shaw
McTominay
Martial



Final Chance: (They must show significant improvements next year)

Rashford
VdB
Lindelof
Fernandes
Sancho
Varane


Players that deserve to stay:
DDG
Fred
Ronaldo
Heaton (as 3rd or 2nd GK)
Elanga


Players to be given a chance next season:
Hannibal
Garner
Chong (Maybe).



Players who need a proper loan:

Amad
Pellistri
Laird (to continue with Bournemouth if he can earn a spot with them in the PL).


Players we need for summer 22 at minimum:

*DM & CM = x2
*ST/CF = x1


Depending on Sales: then we should target CBs and FBs.


*New players must be starting 11 quality.
 
More than anything what worries me is the players Ralf worked on and might wanted to bring in might have been scrapped and now United will start over in their search of players again.
 
sparx99 said:
We do also have a lot of players on our books who could be a part of the squad.

Mengi
Laird
Garner
Tuanzebe
Diallo
Pellistri
Mejbri

I’d expect 2-3 of those to come into the squad next season in some capacity. The sheer size of our squad is still huge which leaves a possible 12-15 to leave and 6-7 coming in and still having a large enough squad.
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Apart from Mejbri there's an argument all of them need to leave the club (on loan or in Tuanzebe's case permanently). Garner may get a chance but if Forest get promoted he may be better going back there for another season
 
Slightly more than 23, but I'd be really happy with this squad next season. I tried to keep the transfers relatively realistic, although Tchouameni especially might be pushing it. Also, I'd quite like a keeper to take De Gea's place, but my knowledge of good ball playing sweeper keepers is limited.

De Gea
Kovar
Heaton

Laird
Dalot/Wan Bissaka

Shaw
Fernandez

Varane
Maguire
Lindelof
Timber

Tchouameni
Fred
McTominay
Garner
Mainoo

Fernandes
Van de Beek
Hannibal
Shoretire

Sancho
Rashford
Garnacho

Antony
Amad

Ronaldo
Nunez
 
Very rare I take part in these FM type threads but let's give it a go, I've gone 25 as obviously that is the usual squad size but I can't be bothered adding/removing players with the age rules.

GK: Henderson, Heaton, Kovar
RB: ??, Laird
CB: Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, ??
LB: Shaw, Williams
CM: ??, ??, Bruno, Fred, McTominay, Garner, VDB
ATT: Ronaldo, Sancho, ??, ??, Rashford, Elanga, Pellestri

So that would mean losing the out of contract lads in Mata, Matic, Pogba, Cavani, Lingard & Grant; and then moving on De Gea (who we all know nobody is taking due to his wages), Bailly, Jones, Dalot, AWB, Telles, Tuanzebe, Pereira & Martial. I'd be happy to let VDB go too but I'd imagine he's a player Ten Hag will want to lean on initially and understandably so. So you're looking at relatively minor fees incoming from those players really; Dalot has played enough football to command £15m or so I'd imagine despite being useless, AWB you'd like to think you could pick up £20m or so due to his defensive qualities for a team lower down the table, Telles you might just about get your money back for, as for the others not a great deal? Bailly and Jones are worth buttons, Tuanzebe hasn't played enough football to be worth much more than a relatively nominal fee, Pereira again what, £5m? De Gea and Martial aren't going to be worth anything due to their wages (and how utterly abysmal Martial has been out on loan).

So that's six players to come in, I wanted to cap it to six, otherwise I'd have put a goalkeeper on the list - though if we were getting a reasonable fee for Henderson then I'd definitely look to bring in a goalkeeper like Robert Sanchez who is unlikely to cost an outrageous amount but is much more likely to fit the way Ten Hag uses his goalkeeper in and out of possession. I know people like De Gea this season but he's never going to fit that style and you're never going to get away with playing a high line in front of him as his instincts are to retreat. Henderson last season showed enough that we can play a higher line in front of him, I know his error against Liverpool has seen people re-write history on that front but the defensive statistics were by far the best they've been for a long time during his spell in goal. Is he good enough long term? I don't know but he has shown enough to get a chance.

I like the suggestion of Max Kilman at centre back, he's a player I've liked for a while and I'd be very interested to see him more in a pairing rather than a 3 and also he's not a player that would immediately be demanding of a first team slot ahead of Varane & Maguire so no one is likely to get their nose out of joint but would likely earn the spot relatively quickly. To be honest I watch a lot of Wolves and I'd be more than happy with a few of their players; Ruben Neves and Pedro Neto being the obvious two, additionally Jose Sa has had an exceptional season in goal, in fact he's been one of the stand out goalkeepers in the league despite only costing them £7m. It's also very obvious we need a right back. Shaw isn't a player I have a great deal of faith but we've seen he *can* be the player we need him to be, just nowhere near enough. I think he's a player that could benefit under Ten Hag as he tends to excel in attacking areas with the little triangles which we know Ten Hag utilises.

In midfield I'd be looking for a holding player obviously and in terms of Premier League options you're looking at Declan Rice and Ruben Neves as the stand-out options, Rice being the outstanding player but we've got too much work to do to afford his fee, Neves would be relatively reasonable and is a player I'd like to see at United alongside a tempo setting player - I've seen Tielemens mentioned and in the past I've mentioned him myself, but is he consistent enough? I don't know, he's certainly got the quality, is the right age and is going to be available for a fee unlikely to break the bank, but again, could we do better?

In attack I've always preferred Ronaldo from wide and still do, he's never been a lone centre forward at any club previously and to this day he is at his most dangerous when he finds space out wide and moves towards the centre. To combat that you'd need a hard working false 9 type of player, where there is a stand-out player that we do already have a clear link to as well via Ralf in Christopher Nkunku. I just don't see how him and Sancho fail to link up well, and in theory that should create a lot of space for Ronaldo and allow for Ronaldo to come in from the back post as we've seen him do throughout his career. The second attacking player I'd like to see would also be a central attacking player but more of a classic centre forward, possibly a younger player happier to come off the bench.
 
charlenefan said:
Apart from Mejbri there's an argument all of them need to leave the club (on loan or in Tuanzebe's case permanently). Garner may get a chance but if Forest get promoted he may be better going back there for another season
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There will always be an argument about players staying or going.

I just don’t think we need to replace say Bailly or Jones when we can keep Tuanzebe or promote Mengi to the first team squad. By all means if you want to sign a first choice centre back and replace Maguire or Lindelof I get that.

With finite resources we are probably best served using youth players or homegrown players to flesh out the squad. I imagine the likes of Tuanzebe would be thrilled to be a bit part player at Utd over say Bailly who has got increasingly frustrated at a lack of games.
 
charlenefan said:
A new number 1 is a priority over all the other positions then?
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Why are you putting words in my mouth. I'm just seeing a lot of posts with De Gea as our #1 and I think that's a huge mistake and one of the many areas that we need to improve on. Sure, De Gea is a great shot stopper. Perhaps one of the best in the world. But he is average to poor in every other aspect of his position. He makes great youtube videos but there's a reason our defense has been struggling ever since he took over for VDS...
 
sparx99 said:
There will always be an argument about players staying or going.

I just don’t think we need to replace say Bailly or Jones when we can keep Tuanzebe or promote Mengi to the first team squad. By all means if you want to sign a first choice centre back and replace Maguire or Lindelof I get that.

With finite resources we are probably best served using youth players or homegrown players to flesh out the squad. I imagine the likes of Tuanzebe would be thrilled to be a bit part player at Utd over say Bailly who has got increasingly frustrated at a lack of games.
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I get what you're saying but Tuanzebe isn't a kid anymore, he'll be almost 25 when the new season starts. Ideally we'd have an academy player around 21/22 to come in and fill the CB quota but not sure we have anyone? Mengi at 19/20 is a little too young
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Why are you putting words in my mouth. I'm just seeing a lot of posts with De Gea as our #1 and I think that's a huge mistake and one of the many areas that we need to improve on. Sure, De Gea is a great shot stopper. Perhaps one of the best in the world. But he is average to poor in every other aspect of his position. He makes great youtube videos but there's a reason our defense has been struggling ever since he took over for VDS...
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Because this thread is what should the squad look like next season, it's not what should the squad look like in 2-3 years time.
 
charlenefan said:
Because this thread is what should the squad look like next season, it's not what should the squad look like in 2-3 years time.
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Are you suggesting it's only possible to improve upon one position a season?
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Why are you putting words in my mouth. I'm just seeing a lot of posts with De Gea as our #1 and I think that's a huge mistake and one of the many areas that we need to improve on. Sure, De Gea is a great shot stopper. Perhaps one of the best in the world. But he is average to poor in every other aspect of his position. He makes great youtube videos but there's a reason our defense has been struggling ever since he took over for VDS...
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A big part was he didn’t have prime Rio, Vidic and Evra in front of him. De Gea has his flaws and I can see him leaving in 2023 but the idea we start with the goalkeeper seems unlikely.
 
charlenefan said:
I get what you're saying but Tuanzebe isn't a kid anymore, he'll be almost 25 when the new season starts. Ideally we'd have an academy player around 21/22 to come in and fill the CB quota but not sure we have anyone? Mengi at 19/20 is a little too young
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Yeah, I honestly don’t know who City and Liverpool’s 4th choice centre back is so I’m not sure it matters what Tuanzebe’s potential is. He’s good enough to play in the premier league probably. If we lose our first choice centre backs to a bad injury it’s going to be a problem whoever comes in. If we get the right two centre backs they’ll play most of the games.

I think we have a tendency to over-analyse squad players on here because our first XI hasn’t been good enough.
 
sparx99 said:
Yeah, I honestly don’t know who City and Liverpool’s 4th choice centre back is so I’m not sure it matters what Tuanzebe’s potential is. He’s good enough to play in the premier league probably. If we lose our first choice centre backs to a bad injury it’s going to be a problem whoever comes in. If we get the right two centre backs they’ll play most of the games.

I think we have a tendency to over-analyse squad players on here because our first XI hasn’t been good enough.
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I wasn't questioning Tuanzebe's potential more that at his age he needs to try and play football, not be our 4th choice CB

I've just checked and he's made 1 appearance for Napoli since being on loan there so I'll assume he's been injured another problem that's been with him for years now
 
De Gea
Heaton
#3

Varane
Maguire
Lindelof
Kounde

Dalot
AWB
Shaw
Laird

Philipps
Fred
McT
Garner
Bruno
VDB

Ronaldo
Nunez
Rashford
Sancho
Elanga
Antony

4 signings - Phillips, Kounde, Nunez and Antony. I think the club will view Garner’s upgrade as a midfield signing. I think he can have a substantial impact next season, he looks ready for the jump.

I believe we’re stuck with Maguire and AWB with the hopes a proper preseason and excellent coaching for ten Hag and his staff could lead them to being solid enough for the time being. Hopefully Martial can be sold or sent out on loan.

Hannibal, Mengi, Shoretire sent out on loan, as I don’t think they’re ready for a run in the first team.
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
Sancho is our first choice left sided attacker going forward. No reason to change that up and play him anywhere but his strongest position.
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I actually don't think even Sancho is safe. He's hardly been amazing has he?

5 goals and 3 assists this season isn't very good at all. In fact it's incredibly poor.

The much maligned Rashford in every season bar this one has absolutely destroyed those stats. He got 20g and 12a last season alone.

Sancho needs to step up massively next season. Think he's been given an easy ride this yr by fans.
 
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