You want a great striker, who is willing to come despite being cup-tied?

mikhail

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Why would someone do that? Because they are already out of Europe. Elber anyone?
 
Originally posted by mikhail:
<strong>Why would someone do that? Because they are already out of Europe. Elber anyone?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You do raise a valid point. The cup-tied players can't help as in the CL also means they have to miss European football unless their team's already out.

It does narrow it down big time: Elber, maybe Zlatan or Mido... What about Michael Owen? ;)
 
Originally posted by antohan:
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What about Michael Owen? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


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Originally posted by antohan:
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What about Michael Owen? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

He'll be playing in the UEFA Cup!!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
We aren't going to get a GREAT striker. We will have to settle for one who is pretty good - i.e. Gudjohnsen or Di Canio - or both would be nice, leaving Forlan to frighten Giggsy. :)
 
forlan to frighten giggsy??????

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The way I see it, we need a shadow striker. We have 2 out-and-out strikers in Ruud and Ole, but as you will all have seen recently, Ole can't link up play for shit, and has awful control. He is fantastic at putting the ball away. Ruud needs help, so we need a shadow striker.

Of course there will be problems with being cup-tied for the Champions League, but we have been struggling in the Premiership so we need a striker like Tristan, Gudjohnssen, di Canio (can do a job), etc.

The problem in the Premiership is that someone like Veron is looking for incisive passes, but nobody apart from Ruud's got any fecking idea about finding that few yards of space. And as Scholes just looks like he's not cut out for the deep striking position, let's go buy one - I prefer Tristan personally.
 
Originally posted by manusteve:
<strong>The way I see it, we need a shadow striker. We have 2 out-and-out strikers in Ruud and Ole, but as you will all have seen recently, Ole can't link up play for shit, and has awful control.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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You are joking. Ole - an on-form Ole - has as good a first time touch and control as anyone at the club. I suggest you watch some of his goals, where his control has been amazing. Derby and Ipswich are good examples.

My t'other half, who is notoriously hard to please, has frequently commented that OGS first time touch is incredible.
 
we have two great cup tied strikers who are already here ;) - ruud and ole who have just not been in form.
 
Reply to livvie20.

Are you from outer space? OGS scored a good goal on Saturday and that's what he does. I'm saying his link-up and control are poor.

Did you see how Scholes and Veron were pissed off with him on Saturday? Or did you miss those moments by any chance.

I'm not criticing his marksmanship, but for shit's sake, he's got to do better with his didtribution!
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>£11million-misfit Sergei Rebrov has been placed on the Tottenham transfer list

Fast, deadly. Just cos Glen doesnt know how to use him...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Spurs reject, premiership flop.
 
Kevin Phillips - 10 reasons
1. He's got pace
2. a great finisher
3. he'd jump at the chance of a move to United
4. It would increase his England chances
5. Wilko doesn't have a problem selling his best player to us
6. Sunderland have Stewart and Flo so wouldn't miss him
7. He wouldn't need time to 'settle' like foreign players
8. We could probably get him for 10 - 15m with a player exchange
9. He's still young
10. Sunderland are going down
 
Originally posted by manusteve:
<strong>Reply to livvie20.

Are you from outer space? OGS scored a good goal on Saturday and that's what he does. I'm saying his link-up and control are poor.

Did you see how Scholes and Veron were pissed off with him on Saturday? Or did you miss those moments by any chance.

I'm not criticing his marksmanship, but for shit's sake, he's got to do better with his didtribution!</strong><hr></blockquote>


Veron was pissed off with poor distribution by another player? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

If you're judging players on Saturday's performance, you may as well say that Ruud is an abysmal striker, Giggs is useless etc. etc.

Solskjaer has, (until this season when no-one apart from John O'Shea has shone), shown excellent first time touch and control. Of course you can pick out games when that hasn't been the case. You can also pick out games when it has.

When the video of his hundred goals comes out, we'll discuss it again.
 
Originally posted by sidsutton:
<strong>Phillips is 29 and not international class. I'll pass.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So who's international class..?

Heskey? Smith? Vassel?
 
Originally posted by 77:
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So who's international class..?

Heskey? Smith? Vassel?</strong><hr></blockquote>

keep saying this, but we shoulda gotten litmanen of the dippies for nothing. could've been a major coup
 
Originally posted by mr. destro:
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keep saying this, but we shoulda gotten litmanen of the dippies for nothing. could've been a major coup</strong><hr></blockquote>


I wouldn't want tainted goods at United no matter who it was
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Originally posted by 77:
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I wouldn't want tainted goods at United no matter who it was
<img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

but i'm sure you gladly accepted cantona after he proved himself?
 
Originally posted by mr. destro:
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but i'm sure you gladly accepted cantona after he proved himself?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Le Roi didn't come from the Scouse (spit) though....

;)
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Litmanen did feck all for Liverpool, Mr. Inconsistent.</strong><hr></blockquote>

undoubtedly a class player though. won loads. eric didn't exactly set the world alight before coming to united.. one league championship with sheep and..?
 
Originally posted by mr. destro:
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undoubtedly a class player though. won loads. eric didn't exactly set the world alight before coming to united.. one league championship with sheep and..?</strong><hr></blockquote>


The class was ALWAYS with Eric though...
 
Originally posted by 77:
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The class was ALWAYS with Eric though...</strong><hr></blockquote>

yea sort've like the force with a jedi..!
 
Originally posted by mr. destro:
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yea sort've like the force with a jedi..!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Zakly

:cool:
 
Originally posted by manusteve:
<strong> Ole can't link up play for shit, and has awful control.
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by 77:
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So who's international class..?

Heskey? Smith? Vassel?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gudjohnsen.
 
Against Basel 2002: Sunny has one assist and one goal. Probably not enough for u sunshine-supporters, but I think he did a very good game...good control, good crosses, hard working and scores...what more do u expect...?...does he have to crunch a defenders nuts in the palm of his hand to be accepted...?( Hughes)or is it good enough to score goals ?
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>£11million-misfit Sergei Rebrov has been placed on the Tottenham transfer list

Fast, deadly. Just cos Glen doesnt know how to use him...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only just spotted this as I've not been around much of late and seldom venture into the Championship Manager suite of the caff.

I must admit, I had the same thought when I heard Spurs were letting Rebrov go. We could pick him up cheap and as he has "flopped" the pressure is off him and he would probably be happy with a few bench starts, not cup tied and at 28 not over the hill. He plays the deep support striker role perfectly when on song and has apparently stated his desire to remain in England although as yet only Kiev and Lokomotiv Moscow have shown an interest.

I would hardly say he has flopped at Spurs anyway, rather that Glenda hasn't the imagination to use him. Graham bought Rebrov only for Hoddle to take over the reigns and he has obviously not featured in Glenn's plans, in 2 and a half years he has made a paltry 48 appearances (27 as a substitute) and has chipped in with 16 goals. Obviously with young up and coming talent in Sheringham and Ferdinand ;) , Hoddle sees no future in Rebrov so why not do him a favour?

Put in a low bid with appearances boosting the fee and we couldn't lose even if he really has gone off the boil.
 
Originally posted by Bury Red:
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Only just spotted this as I've not been around much of late and seldom venture into the Championship Manager suite of the caff.

I must admit, I had the same thought when I heard Spurs were letting Rebrov go. We could pick him up cheap and as he has "flopped" the pressure is off him and he would probably be happy with a few bench starts, not cup tied and at 28 not over the hill. He plays the deep support striker role perfectly when on song and has apparently stated his desire to remain in England although as yet only Kiev and Lokomotiv Moscow have shown an interest.

I would hardly say he has flopped at Spurs anyway, rather that Glenda hasn't the imagination to use him. Graham bought Rebrov only for Hoddle to take over the reigns and he has obviously not featured in Glenn's plans, in 2 and a half years he has made a paltry 48 appearances (27 as a substitute) and has chipped in with 16 goals. Obviously with young up and coming talent in Sheringham and Ferdinand ;) , Hoddle sees no future in Rebrov so why not do him a favour?

Put in a low bid with appearances boosting the fee and we couldn't lose even if he really has gone off the boil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Welcome back Bury Red.

I disagree with you on this choice of Rebrov as a striker. We should be going for proven strikers who can provide real competition for the likes of RVN and OGS rather than buying a player who is likely to stay only at the fringes of the first team.
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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Welcome back Bury Red.

I disagree with you on this choice of Rebrov as a striker. We should be going for proven strikers who can provide real competition for the likes of RVN and OGS rather than buying a player who is likely to stay only at the fringes of the first team.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I admit his form looks dodgy at the moment given a prolonged absence from the pitch (or a decent team for that matter), this may have affected his stats on Championship Manager but the class he has shown in the past may still be there if anyone has the guts to try him.

I would say he had proved himself in his time at Kiev alongside Schevchenko, if he could create even a fraction of that partnership with Ruud and Ole then we would be unstoppable. His strike rate at Spurs is not bad considering his lack of action whilst his record of 86 goals in 125 appearances for Kiev is excellent considering he was the less prolific, more creative side of the forward line with Schevchenko. Even if you don't rate that, his 15 goals in 10 European Cup performances should impress including both their goals against Arsenal in 98/99.

Rebrov is ideally suited to form the bridge from midfield to striker that we have needed since Eric really, he would give Forlan a bit more breathing space and allow Giggs and Scholes to return to their more natural roles. In Ruud and Ole we have two of the best finishers in the world, we don't need another to put their noses out of joint (or upset our new mod ;) ). What we need is a proven link player to help them realise their full potential, in Rebrov's plus column must be:

Available (and cheap)
Not cuptied in Europe
Proven record at the top level
Good English
Right age
Right position

The only negative is his "poor" record at Spurs, which is largely the result of under utilisation and the wrong system for him.

I just feel he is maybe worth a gamble, many thought Eric was too risky at the time <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Originally posted by Bury Red:
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I admit his form looks dodgy at the moment given a prolonged absence from the pitch (or a decent team for that matter), this may have affected his stats on Championship Manager but the class he has shown in the past may still be there if anyone has the guts to try him.

I would say he had proved himself in his time at Kiev alongside Schevchenko, if he could create even a fraction of that partnership with Ruud and Ole then we would be unstoppable. His strike rate at Spurs is not bad considering his lack of action whilst his record of 86 goals in 125 appearances for Kiev is excellent considering he was the less prolific, more creative side of the forward line with Schevchenko. Even if you don't rate that, his 15 goals in 10 European Cup performances should impress including both their goals against Arsenal in 98/99.

Rebrov is ideally suited to form the bridge from midfield to striker that we have needed since Eric really, he would give Forlan a bit more breathing space and allow Giggs and Scholes to return to their more natural roles. In Ruud and Ole we have two of the best finishers in the world, we don't need another to put their noses out of joint (or upset our new mod ;) ). What we need is a proven link player to help them realise their full potential, in Rebrov's plus column must be:

Available (and cheap)
Not cuptied in Europe
Proven record at the top level
Good English
Right age
Right position

The only negative is his "poor" record at Spurs, which is largely the result of under utilisation and the wrong system for him.

I just feel he is maybe worth a gamble, many thought Eric was too risky at the time <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I won't disagree with you regarding Rebrov's ability but is a "pure" link striker really what we need? And one who is very low on confidence which could well be permanent? I would prefer a striker like Gudhjohnsen - has all the attributes of the old Rebrov (create and score goals) plus an age advantage
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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I won't disagree with you regarding Rebrov's ability but is a "pure" link striker really what we need? And one who is very low on confidence which could well be permanent? I would prefer a striker like Gudhjohnsen - has all the attributes of the old Rebrov (create and score goals) plus an age advantage</strong><hr></blockquote>

And if the board refuse to shell out on Gudjohnsen?

I don't see a great difference between the two players if Rebrov could recapture his form and at a fraction of the cost, he may be a more likely option for the board. And yes, a link player is what we need, with Ruud and Ole leading the line and Forlan being moulded into a striker we have sufficient cover provided they receive the supply.