Yann M'vila or Jack Rodwell

It seems that Rodwell may have more potential, but M'villa is the better player at the moment.
 
We will sign neither, obviously.
 
I heard someone say that rumour suggests Rodwell is all but ours - I really hope this is true
 
I don't see anything concrete to suggest we're interested in either, especially not the former.
 
I'm all in favour of Rodwell. He's got bags of ability, and if (and I don't think this will happen) Evans continues to struggle, he and Smalling could form a pretty brilliant, all-English centre-back pairing. Not sure he's the answer to our short-term midfield needs though.
 
Donut said:
Why do you think so? The "we're broke" argument?

I think we'll go for Rodwell.
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Because we have to sign a goalkeeper first as VDS leaves in the Summer and most likely so does Kuszczak, it will cost £10m+ to bring in a goalkeeper and I don't see who we can sell to afford more signings. And if we do, it will be an offensive player, not a central midfielder - most likely someone like Ashley Young who would probably cost peanuts.

Yes, I think we won't spend more than £10m net in the Summer.
 
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Yes, i think you're right, but i hope you're wrong.
 
TBH nobody has any idea about M'Vila.

Not sure how anyone except maybe 1 or 2 people can answer this question.
 
Sarni said:
Because we have to sign a goalkeeper first as VDS leaves in the Summer and most likely so does Kuszczak, it will cost £10m+ to bring in a goalkeeper and I don't see who we can sell to afford more signings. And if we do, it will be an offensive player, not a central midfielder - most likely someone like Ashley Young who would probably cost peanuts.

Yes, I think we won't spend more than £10m net in the Summer.
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I think I agree with this sadly.

Goal keeper is the most important position we need to fill even though out midfield is not good enough.
 
We'll sign Rodwell. I'm pretty sure Ferguson regards him as a priority even though he won't improve our starting XI immediately.

I can see three to four signings this summer. We've done it before so I don't regard that statement as useless muppetry.
 
Donkey's Ears said:
We'll sign Rodwell. I'm pretty sure Ferguson regards him as a priority even though he won't improve our starting XI immediately.

I can see three to four signings this summer. We've done it before so I don't regard that statement as useless muppetry.
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I agree. This "we can't afford it" shit makes me laugh. There's what, £130 million in the bank?
 
Sarni said:
Because we have to sign a goalkeeper first as VDS leaves in the Summer and most likely so does Kuszczak, it will cost £10m+ to bring in a goalkeeper and I don't see who we can sell to afford more signings. And if we do, it will be an offensive player, not a central midfielder - most likely someone like Ashley Young who would probably cost peanuts.

Yes, I think we won't spend more than £10m net in the Summer.
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It depends on what our ambitions are. I think with City spending Chelsea clearly ready to spend big, we'll need stretch ourselves a tad bit to keep competing for the title. We don't need many just a couple of really good signings. But given that I can't see us offloading anyone worth anything significant we're going to have to spend more than 10 or 20 million to fulfill those ambitions IMO.

A keeper and a central midfielder is a must IMO. You're not going to get quality in those two positions for 15 million taking 5 million as sales.
 
Well yes, it's only his opinion that we won't spend more than 10mill net. We can obviously afford to spend it if we choose.
 
If we are going to buy this summer, we've probably already tied up our targets. I say this because in all likelyhood we cannot realistically go toe to toe with either City or Chelsea (financially), so there will/would be alot work being done now instead of in the summer.

Hopefully, we do a "Nani & Anderson" type of deal. Wrap it up in the first week and enjoy watching the rest tearing each other apart!
 
RedSky At Night said:
Pretty much.

The choice is short term or long term. Go for long term get Rodwell, want short term M'Villa. I think we'll go for Rodwell though.
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I'm curious to know why you think 20 year old Rodwell is a better shout for long term, while your short term option is 20 year old M/Villa.

If M'Villa is a better player now, what makes you think he'll not be a better player going forward? :wenger:
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I agree. This "we can't afford it" shit makes me laugh. There's what, £130 million in the bank?
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It doesn't mean it will be spent, or even that it's available for spending anytime soon.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It depends on what our ambitions are. I think with City spending Chelsea clearly ready to spend big, we'll need stretch ourselves a tad bit to keep competing for the title. We don't need many just a couple of really good signings. But given that I can't see us offloading anyone worth anything significant we're going to have to spend more than 10 or 20 million to fulfill those ambitions IMO.

A keeper and a central midfielder is a must IMO. You're not going to get quality in those two positions for 15 million taking 5 million as sales.
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There's absolutely no way we could compete with those two in the transfer market, and last time we surpassed Chelsea it was done with rather small investments. Besides, I don't think Ferguson really wants to buy midfielders, we have extended deals of three of them already this season and it's in exactly the same state it has been in for the past two years when we did nothing to strentgthen it. Another thing is, I reckon Scholes will sign an extension soon as well.
 
Sarni said:
Because we have to sign a goalkeeper first as VDS leaves in the Summer and most likely so does Kuszczak, it will cost £10m+ to bring in a goalkeeper and I don't see who we can sell to afford more signings. And if we do, it will be an offensive player, not a central midfielder - most likely someone like Ashley Young who would probably cost peanuts.

Yes, I think we won't spend more than £10m net in the Summer.
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Utter tosh
 
M'n'M said:
I'm curious to know why you think 20 year old Rodwell is a better shout for long term, while your short term option is 20 year old M/Villa.

If M'Villa is a better player now, what makes you think he'll not be a better player going forward? :wenger:
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I also wondered about this..
 
What makes you lot think that after what so far seems to be a good season we will go out and spend heavily in the Summer just for the sake of it? Yes, our away form needs to be improved but it can be done with current set of players. It seems that Ferguson has a lot of faith in Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick and surely we can develop at least two of them to be useful for us next season. Our game is based mostly around wingers and forwards and we are perfect in both departments.

We've also spent almost nothing in the past three transfer windows, and we've barely shipped out a first team member which is an indication that a) we don't really have money, b) we don't really need to spend money because our current team is trusted. If no one goes, then not many come, especially with 25-men roster.
 
Only seen M'Vila a couple of times but he looks like nothing more than a promising defensive midfielder.

Rodwell has more versatility and mobility from what i have seen, and seems to be able to do a bit of everything. His injuries have only given us a glimpse so far, therefore once he gets a decent run i have little doubt he could eventually become a complete box to box midfielder.
 
How good is Rodwell at the moment? Will he be a player that can go in our team and make a difference?

Must admit I've not seen enough of him.


Also, didn't the talk about M'Vila start because of him saying that his favourite team as a boy were United? I never heard of our interest in him before that.
 
Sarni said:
What makes you lot think that after what so far seems to be a good season we will go out and spend heavily in the Summer just for the sake of it? Yes, our away form needs to be improved but it can be done with current set of players. It seems that Ferguson has a lot of faith in Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick and surely we can develop at least two of them to be useful for us next season. Our game is based mostly around wingers and forwards and we are perfect in both departments.

We've also spent almost nothing in the past three transfer windows, and we've barely shipped out a first team member which is an indication that a) we don't really have money, b) we don't really need to spend money because our current team is trusted. If no one goes, then not many come, especially with 25-men roster.
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Three transfer windows? So what happens in the previous three transfer windows is bound to happen in the next? I'm afraid you don't understand SAF, Manchester United or football in general if you believe this to be true :(
 
Sarni said:
What makes you lot think that after what so far seems to be a good season we will go out and spend heavily in the Summer just for the sake of it? Yes, our away form needs to be improved but it can be done with current set of players. It seems that Ferguson has a lot of faith in Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick and surely we can develop at least two of them to be useful for us next season. Our game is based mostly around wingers and forwards and we are perfect in both departments.

We've also spent almost nothing in the past three transfer windows, and we've barely shipped out a first team member which is an indication that a) we don't really have money, b) we don't really need to spend money because our current team is trusted. If no one goes, then not many come, especially with 25-men roster.
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You have answered your own question there haven't you?

It isn't spending for the sake of it. Our form this season has been some of the worst I have seen from United and the team has looked a shadow of the United sides of old which dominated possession and played teams off the park home and away.

Scholes and Giggs can have new contracts but Scholes still needs a replacement. VDS is going so we potentially need another goalkeeper.

This summer will see us finally move to replace some of these players just you wait and see.
 
M'n'M said:
I'm curious to know why you think 20 year old Rodwell is a better shout for long term, while your short term option is 20 year old M/Villa.

If M'Villa is a better player now, what makes you think he'll not be a better player going forward? :wenger:
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A bit strange that.

And considering no one has seen Mvila play.
 
Sarni said:
There's absolutely no way we could compete with those two in the transfer market, and last time we surpassed Chelsea it was done with rather small investments. Besides, I don't think Ferguson really wants to buy midfielders, we have extended deals of three of them already this season and it's in exactly the same state it has been in for the past two years when we did nothing to strentgthen it. Another thing is, I reckon Scholes will sign an extension soon as well.
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I'm not suggesting we outspend Chelsea or City. Rather that we will spend more than the 10 million net to compete with them. We will spend much lesser but still a decent amount to improve ourselves how we best see fit. Which includes buying promising young footballers and not Torres's for 50 million. But we will have to spend more than 10 million.

And I do think anyone with eyes knows we need to spend on the midfield. Our current lot has no baring on that. In fact Scholes signing an extension could simply mean one midfielder instead of two but it doesn't change the fact that we need to improve in that respect.
 
TheReligion said:
You have answered your own question there haven't you?

It isn't spending for the sake of it. Our form this season has been some of the worst I have seen from United and the team has looked a shadow of the United sides of old which dominated possession and played teams off the park home and away.

Scholes and Giggs can have new contracts but Scholes still needs a replacement. VDS is going so we potentially need another goalkeeper.

This summer will see us finally move to replace some of these players just you wait and see.
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I think a lot of our bad away form is down to Valencia being injured most of the season, with him and Nani on wings we were unpredictable - with just Nani there was only him to create something, Giggs has been in great form but he doesn't really offer us the pace and energy of Valencia at the moment. That's why I can see us buying Young who will be available for a small fee this Summer, probably in the region of £12m. If a midfielder is available at a similar price and it's a midfielder good enough to strengthen us, we might go for him instead but at the moment I just cannot see a player like that in the market, most of mentioned player would cost £20m+.
 
M'n'M said:
I'm curious to know why you think 20 year old Rodwell is a better shout for long term, while your short term option is 20 year old M/Villa.

If M'Villa is a better player now, what makes you think he'll not be a better player going forward? :wenger:
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I guess you never followed the Ronaldo/Quaresma debate then?
 
I think long term they can offer something different for us, as it stands I'd go with M'Vila, a regular for his team and an senior international, we can wait another season for Rodwell.
 
Never seen M'Villa but would love Rodwell, any chance of getting them both? /muppet.
 
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