WWC23 | England v Spain - Spain win the World Cup - and Rubiales gets sacked

The problem australia has is that they continually hoof forwards in the general direction of Kerr and hope she can do soemthing.

When she wasn't in the team, they played much more as a unit, attacking together. Fowler may as well be not on the pitch, the defenders just hoof it past her every time.
 
Asslani with a magnificent strike againt, cant believe how long she has been competing at this level!
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I really really like your sentiment but it would be a totally different kettle of fish..

I speak from experience with this as a women myself who was very good at football and never had the opportunity to even dream of being a pro. I played in boys teams until I was 16 and then various decent women’s teams. I’d have to travel over a hour to get the first good team I could play for. The only professional team in the country when I played was arsenal women and even they were semi pro. They had other jobs to pay the bills. Football wasn’t an option for me, not even a dream.. so to see these girls play at world cups and get paid to do so, is amazing. Very emotional actually. Women’s football has grown beyond belief, it’s staggering really. Everywhere you go you see little girls in footie kits and it lights me up every time. I was always alone in this.

But the reality is the mens game is light years ahead. Of course it is.. how could it not be? The level of everything is light years ahead. They have had generations of playing football, the best investment, exposure. Men and women also have totally different body strength and power etc, which is why men should get compared to men and women to women, it’s all relative.

the womens game will truly stand in its own when people stop comparing them. Even if the men’s team would beat the women’s team 30-0 like I’m told regularly, there’s multiple reasons for this and it’s the reason why men play against men and women play women. How good is the level going to be in 20 years time if it keeps growing and getting the increased investment it is now? It’s going to get better.


There’s nothing wrong with saying that managing the men’s team would be a step up because it would. On every level.. but what’s more impressive to me is that a WOMAN could really manage one of the best teams in the world and go toe to toe with the world elite. Now that’s progress.
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I understand what you are saying. I am not even trying to claim that women’s & men’s football is at the same level. I think if she got a men’s job from somewhere else and left then I can understand but the governing body who are looking after both the teams just can’t be seen to be making this discrimination. For Wiegman herself it will be a step up for sure but I just don’t think the FA would get themselves into that situation
 
Anyways back to the World Cup. Really interesting to see what they do with Lauren James for the final
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I really really like your sentiment but it would be a totally different kettle of fish..

I speak from experience with this as a women myself who was very good at football and never had the opportunity to even dream of being a pro. I played in boys teams until I was 16 and then various decent women’s teams. I’d have to travel over a hour to get the first good team I could play for. The only professional team in the country when I played was arsenal women and even they were semi pro. They had other jobs to pay the bills. Football wasn’t an option for me, not even a dream.. so to see these girls play at world cups and get paid to do so, is amazing. Very emotional actually. Women’s football has grown beyond belief, it’s staggering really. Everywhere you go you see little girls in footie kits and it lights me up every time. I was always alone in this.

But the reality is the mens game is light years ahead. Of course it is.. how could it not be? The level of everything is light years ahead. They have had generations of playing football, the best investment, exposure. Men and women also have totally different body strength and power etc, which is why men should get compared to men and women to women, it’s all relative.

the womens game will truly stand in its own when people stop comparing them. Even if the men’s team would beat the women’s team 30-0 like I’m told regularly, there’s multiple reasons for this and it’s the reason why men play against men and women play women. How good is the level going to be in 20 years time if it keeps growing and getting the increased investment it is now? It’s going to get better.

There’s nothing wrong with saying that managing the men’s team would be a step up because it would. On every level.. but what’s more impressive to me is that a WOMAN could really manage one of the best teams in the world and go toe to toe with the world elite. Now that’s progress.
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Interesting read. Thanks for that.

On the Wiegman thing. I'm glad she's enjoying her job. I doubt that she'd enjoy managing the England men's team as much. The British press isn't grown up enough to talk about football and they'd be looking for a bad headline continually.

That said, one day I think we'll see it happen - though I doubt it'll be England who do it first.
 
jojojo said:
Interesting read. Thanks for that.

On the Wiegman thing. I'm glad she's enjoying her job. I doubt that she'd enjoy managing the England men's team as much. The British press isn't grown up enough to talk about football and they'd be looking for a bad headline continually.

That said, one day I think we'll see it happen - though I doubt it'll be England who do it first.
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I’d definitely want to see Wiegman given a chance with a men’s national team at some point. Obviously men’s football is very different but much of her approach to tournament football should still apply ie letting each player in the squad know their role, having contingency plans and not being afraid to execute them (an area where Southgate clearly fails).

But I would not wish the poisoned chalice of managing the England men’s team on her. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy, to be honest. It would be setting her up to fail, which could close the door for other female managers in future.
 
Disappointing end for the Matildas. They've been outplayed in their last two games but they also appeared physically and emotionally exhausted after last week's win against France. It felt like the prawn sandwich brigade turned up to Stadium Australia for the semi final and the crowd at Lang Park wasn't given much to get behind today. For tomorrow night's final though, it's ¡Viva España!
 
Rasendori said:
To what extent (if at all) are Spain and England evenly matched?
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I dont think they are.
Spains players are technically excellent and have the usual Spanish confidence on the ball and move the ball around well. England are also a really good side but are more direct although they seem an overall more rounded side to me. I think England are a bit more organised with probably the best manager at the WWC.
I would love to see Spain win but think England will take this.
 
Spain's team: Salma Paralluelo replaces Alexia Putellas in the starting XI

Coll; Batlle, Paredes, Codina, Carmona; Abelleira, Bonmati, Hermoso; Redondo, Caldentey, Paralluelo.
 
Right decision to go with Toone but she needs to step up as, that goal aside, she's not done enough this tournament

Can't wait to see how Sarina sets us up - sit back and hit them on the counter seems the obviously way to deal with the Spanish
 
Rood said:
Right decision to go with Toone but she needs to step up as, that goal aside, she's not done enough this tournament

Can't wait to see how Sarina sets us up - sit back and hit them on the counter seems the obviously way to deal with the Spanish
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Didn't someone mention the other day that was why they have shown a lot of teams up, because they let them have the ball and sat back. The only team who showed Spain up did the opposite.
 
I used to alway say I’d sacrifice United’s success to see a single World Cup win for England this isn’t how I planned it, but here we are.
 
Spain gave England arguably their toughest match at the Euros last summer, can remember their RW giving Rachel Daly a torrid time and they were 1 up with 5 minutes left before England scored from a good old fashioned hoof up the pitch.

On team line ups Spain are stronger aswell while England are weaker but then England have mentality of champions now and others have emerged and done well as starters.

On neutral venue I dunno...first goal wins I think.
 
It's about now that I'm jealous that the Matildas aren't playing tonight. I'm keen for extra time, penalties and a Spain win!!
 
Not a fan of that countdown they do before kick-off. Would annoy me even more if I was a player waiting to start the match.
 
Yeah I’ve switched to ITV. BBC’s viewer ratings are going to be terrible if they can’t sort that out.
 
Tell that annoying Spanish commentator to pipe down.
 
Xaviesta said:
@Stack It's great to have a FIFA World Cup Final at senior level in our timezone.
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It’s been awesome, the crowds have been great, it’s a shame the aussies couldn’t make it to the final. Lots of really good games. It’s a shame it’s over in a few hours. one day maybe we can do a combined men’s WC
 
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