I disagree, think he's a very capable footballer but do agree he isn't a goalscorer.
Think he could have a role here though.
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I disagree, think he's a very capable footballer but do agree he isn't a goalscorer.
Think he could have a role here though.
He is doing a job, and I like what he brings to the team…but I don’t think he is doing enough to extend his stay at United.
EtH has created a great spirit within the team, but it will be interesting to see if he is cut throat and removes both Weghorst and Martial come the summer.
EtH has created a great spirit within the team, but it will be interesting to see if he is cut throat and removes both Weghorst and Martial come the summer.
He's not great but it gives me a lot of optimism about what we can do with a real striker brought into this squad under this manager. We're pretty much muddling through with a lad that has very little ability at this level, that's simply working his socks off and doing a tactical job. It's kind of working even with Wout Weghorst playing the foil to Rashford. Wout is more of a Besiktas player than a Man Utd one after all. If we can get someone that works just as hard but is actually of the right calibre we'll be onto something good.
If I were him I'd take even the 3rd CF option who only gets to play when others are rested than going back to Burnley.
It didnt make sense though, made it sound weird. Take me home country United Road. To the place I belong. To West Old Virginia Trafford to see Mountain United Mama.To be honest, I’d be too embarrassed to play one of those cheesy fan covers and would have played the John Denver version
If I have a fanny instead of a cock I'd be a woman.
He's not even our first choice now, that's down to our actual first choice being made of glass and already missed 27 games by February. The guy scored 2 goals in 20 games for Burnley and now has 1 goal in 12 games for United. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge his heart and graft and take a liking to him, it's not to pretend that he will drastically improve and become something he is not - a Manchester United quality player.
I have nothing against the guy, when he was getting dog's abuse after his first few games and people realized they made a mistake overhyping, I was in here defending him. However, we need to move on from the Vibes FC era, and handing out contract to a player over 30 who has shown he is not good enough to lead the line at this level because he tries hard is not the way forward.
You will be proved right I’m sure. I’ll just give him a little longer before I judge him.
I like Weghorst a lot but having let the dust settle from the final reality is we need a more potent goal threat.
He's fine as a squad addition but that's it.
He's fine as a squad addition but that's it.
If he starts adding goals to his workrate it could be worthwhile making his deal permanent.
I find it a bit strange how some are critical of him when he has been here for barely a month while costly imports have had shocking workrates but are given grace to adjust.
If anything I am sure his attitude in the changing room would be highly respected and maybe even rub off to some of the younger players.
I find it a bit strange how some are critical of him when he has been here for barely a month while costly imports have had shocking workrates but are given grace to adjust.
If anything I am sure his attitude in the changing room would be highly respected and maybe even rub off to some of the younger players.
Fletcher is a very good shout actually, but Fletcher who broke through into the team and had doubts about him, not the Fletcher who was verging on top class before his stomach woes.
Unfortunately, Wout has nowhere near the ability or potential of even the Fletcher who had doubts about him. What has to be a concern with how he plays for us is that much output is unsustainable and there comes a point for engine players where that tank is spent and then they have lost their most important asset. He’s as good for us as his engine - without it, he’s way, way below standard.
I don’t know the market for grafting, engine room centre forwards, but you’d think there are far better out there at doing exactly what he does, plus actually be potent in front of goal. Would think all those factors, as well as cost, will determine the practicality of him being a permanent fixture here. Can’t see him being more than a [very useful] stopgap, at the current rate.
Because i'd prefer not to fill the deadwood or future deadwood.
Taking on players on longer term contracts just because it gives bodies to the quad is dangerous.
if he'd come here on a 1 or 2 year deal then possibly........ I still don't think he's really good enough though.
You think as a footballer, he's good enough for Man Utd if we want titles?
I think he brings something yes.
Title winning teams aren't made up of 11 world class players, you need workers, grafters and people happy to come in when required... Or you end up with players burnt out or unhappy they aren't featuring all the time.
Wout would evidently be happy to sit on the bench and feature amongst the cups and as a sub I think, which makes him a valuable member. Plus the lads seem to like having him around, morale is a good thing too ya know.
The strikers in our last title winning squad were RvP, Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck.
2 were bona fide world class players, one backup was good enough to scored 18 goals in all comps that campaign, loaned to Madrid and scored twice in the Ro16 for them, had another 20+ goals season at West Ham, the other back up was blighted with injuries throughout his career but were still a mainstay PL level player.
Granted, we aren’t playing with 2 strikers like Fergie did, so no point stockpiling that much talents in the squad, but you think Weghorst measure up to either Chicharito or Danny Welbz as a backup? And if not, why then are we settling, if our aim is to become the best again?
Not that I disagree but you may not find a better backup than him ? If the price is right , he can stay as a backup. I won't be too disappointed either ways.
In - New striker, Wout.
Out - Martial.
I would love to see
In Osimhen and Evan Ferguson and keep Wout as back up
Martial out
I wouldn't be settling, write a letter to EtH if you must.
He is the one who will ultimately make the decision not me or you.
What's the point of this forum then, since we never make any decision?
It's maddening how the standards have fallen so low in the fanbase. On one hand, everybody get dog's abuse when things aren't going well, on the other, players who should have no business playing for Utd are praised just because of their application. Dan James would still have a career here according to that logic.
Well, there is no point really it's just a pastime for fans.
My standards haven't fallen, I expect Manchester United to be challenging on ALL fronts. The comparison between James and Wout isn't fair either as I feel Wout is quite important to how EtH wants us to play whereas James was never all that important in any way.
He's important because he's the only (fit)striker in the squad, and he's here because we are currently skint.
Come summer, if the Glazers are still here and we have to make do with him as a back up, then I'll make my peace with it. But if we can afford it financially, there's no reason to have a backup in arguably the most important position on the pitch who average 0.1 goal per game in the PL.
Can't agree more, don't forget Martial is on a HUGE wage like 250K/week while contribute literally nothing in the last few years! Not his fault but we can't and shouldn't put any hope on Martial anymore.
On the other hand, Wergy is on a much less wage, but capable put on a decent performance in final, and seems manager and players are happy with him too.
Unless he turns to rubbish in the remaining season, otherwise we should sign him up for a squad player who will be totally happy even on the bench.
Thought he played a vital role in the last couple of games. Manager is a wily old fox and has totally defined the WW role. What he has done is give very specific jobs to particular players. Wout is not just about pressing, it’s about helping attacks too.
Some don't see it.
You are assuming without any grounds. Our standards hasn't fallen. You aren't really getting the meaning of "backup"
If we sign Kane or Osimhen, they aren't sharing minutes with anyone.
Who is the backup to Kane ? Richarlison and son, who can also play as a winger
Backup to Haaland? Alvarez who actually want to leave because he isn't getting the minutes.
Backup to Jesus ? Nketiah .
All of the players you just named are better than Wout Weghorst.
That's the point. We don't need a world beater CF as a backup, but we do need someone with the quality to come in and contribute meaningfully. I can't believe I'm having this conversation with fans of a club that had Sheringham, Solskjaer, Tevez/Berbatov (at times), Larsson, Hernandez, Welbeck as striker back up. Of course good players will want to play all the time, of course good players who have to be back up to great player will get unhappy from time to time, that's where squad management, man management come in. It's still a better problem to have than having to make do with a 30+ striker on a 2.6m loan from Burnley who a couple of months ago were plying his trade in the Turkish league because he scored 2 in 20 for a team who is now in the Championship.
And I can't believe I am having conversations about the meaning of a backup. Gone are the days where we played with 2 strikers. Fergie was a genius and he could manage their game time correctly.
Tell me which current team has strikers like we had earlier, with the likes of Teddy, Cole, Yorke and Ole ? So that comparison itself is irrelevant.
You always seem to focus his 6 months stint at Burnely and 6 months stint at Turkey, just to suit your argument by conveniently ignoring his Bundesliga numbers. If he was coming straight from Bundesliga, we won't be even having this conversation.
When we played with 2 strikers, we often had 4 in the squad. And you already answered your own question, City has Alvarez, Argentina's best striking prospect, Arsenal has Nketiah, who average about 1 in 3 in the PL and technically good enough to spearhead them in the absence of Jesus without affecting their style of play, Tottenham has Richarlison who started at the WC for Brazil and was the star man for a PL club for years, even West Ham has Antonio/Ings competing with each other. Of course, the striker's well is dry this past decade and most of those names don't measure up to strikers of years gone by, but their quality comparatively to their peers are similar to Sheringham/Solskjaer to the other strikers of their era.
And I focus on his Burnley stint because it is the most relevant to whether he can cut it at this level. In case you haven't noticed, his record at United so far is near identical to that of his at Burnley. That's not a team problem, that's a player problem.
Why would we care about his numbers in Germany that he failed to replicate with both Burnley and United?
If he's coming directly from Wolfsburg, we would be talking about another Bundesliga player who's failing at United. Weghorst coming from Turkey is why the expectations have been very low.
No he's not.
Tbh I was probably the first one here wanted us to buy him. I thought he'd be a decent target man and decent in the air before we bought him but turned out he's simply not. And agree he has a role in this season but hope not next season. If we want the PL or the CL we simply need better players. Even as backups.
Nketiah who has scored just 4 PL goals this season is an able backup but Wout isn't? And you think 6 months of Burnley is a good starting point to even start a discussion? And you decided after 6 PL matches, that he isn't good enough as a backup ?
Edit - Has Richarlison even scored for Spurs ?
I rest my case.
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Because he hasn't had a consistent base to even start with ? 6 months of Burnley stint isn't going to make any difference given he isn't their type of player at all ? Or worse case, 6 games of PL isn't enough to make a judgement if he is good enough for us as a backup?
Point is, he may or may not be good enough as a backup. Some people are way too quick to dismiss a player because he played for Burnley or played at Turkey. Let's reserve the judgement until end of the season. Sure , he hasn't been great but he hasn't been terrible either. This is exactly what a backup does.
Nketiah had 5 goals and 1 assist in 826 PL minutes last season, he has 4 goals in 970 minutes this season. As I said, he is a roughly 1 in 3 striker who is technically proficient enough to not affect the way Arsenal play. Yes, that is an able back up.
Richarlison hasn't scored but registered 3 assists in 655 minutes, and it's widely acknowledged that he is struggling, playing for one of the most boring team in the league.
Either way, that's a still a better rate of production for a player who registered 2 goals and 4 assists in 1900 PL minutes. Richarlison at his worst is still more productive than Wout Weghorst. That's how good a back up he is for you.
So yeah, you don't have a case.
In an ideal world, everyone one would love to get two world class strikers in summer, who is capable to score at least 15-20 goals alone themselves, also a wonderkid that we can put him on in rubbish minutes, that's what we do when playing FM.
But the fact is world class player wouldn't like to sit on bench in big games, and we can't afford to buy two 100m strikers in the same window too, as Martial is ALWAYS injured and also GW case is complicated, a cheap and useable back-up in Wergy is reasonable.
I really hope we can get Osimhen/Vlahovic/Kane as our new no.9 next summer, but we still need more covers for CL games too, anyway in ETH we trust, sure he will make a good decision.
But the fact is world class player wouldn't like to sit on bench in big games, and we can't afford to buy two 100m strikers in the same window too, as Martial is ALWAYS injured and also GW case is complicated, a cheap and useable back-up in Wergy is reasonable.
I really hope we can get Osimhen/Vlahovic/Kane as our new no.9 next summer, but we still need more covers for CL games too, anyway in ETH we trust, sure he will make a good decision.
So Richarlison is playing for a boring Spurs and hence why he isn't scoring but that logic isn't applicable to Wout who played for a fantastic attacking side Burnley?
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So because he's not a lump up front he's now not a decent footballer? He can press better than most, his work off the ball is brilliant and his passing isn't bad at all either.
Admitted he's not a great goalscorer but to say he's a poor footballer is ignorant.
Also expecting him to be a target man/great header of ball/lump because he's so tall isn't it.
Richarlison has a body of work behind him at Everton where we can point to and say he can produce. He could be a total misfit at Spurs, a bomb of a transfer, but none of Spurs attackers bar Kane have looked good so we can give him some leeway in that regards.So Richarlison is playing for a boring Spurs and hence why he isn't scoring but that logic isn't applicable to Wout who played for a fantastic attacking side Burnley?
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Wout Weghorst has near identical number at a shit Burnley side and a good Utd side, in fact, his number at Utd is worse.
And Richarlison is still more productive than Weghorst, statistically.
Use all the smilies you want, you see.
He hasn't done enough to convince me yet he would be a good backup. I don't disagree with reserving judgment till the end of the season but he needs to do more as an attacking player.
I agree. It’s true he hasn’t scored many goals in England across Burnley and with us and people probably look at that and say he’s not good enough but I still think he has goals in him. He’ll probably never be prolific but I could see him getting a few if things start to fall for him a bit more. I know that’s a big “if” but let’s give him a bit longer before we cut the cord.
Richarlison has 2 assists in 16.
Wout has 1 assist in 6.
Yes, Richarlison is statistically better than Wout in PL . Sure mate
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