Didn't see the game, just saw the highlights.
Did he genuinely not celebrate when Garnacho scored?
Useless lump and now a bitter one too?
Did he genuinely not celebrate when Garnacho scored?
Useless lump and now a bitter one too?
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It's still doubtful. Weghorst maybe unmarked, but his position doesn't give him better angle to score. He's further outwide.
He gave Garnacho a pat toward the end of the goal celebration, but did look disappointed about Garnacho not passing to him.
Exactly I wouldn't fancy Weghorst to score in any situation besides an inside the box open net chance.
He was clearly joking with him ffs. Mad the amount of terrible takes you get in every thread with a player who isn’t playing well.
Such a funny joke standing still not celebrating the team's goal.
Couldn’t be more obvious. If it went over your head then fair enough.
Tbh I'm not reading all of that. But from what I scanned it looks like you don't want to give him credit for anything he did.
Back at you with your assessment on Martial in your post that I quoted.
It's quite rich to mentioning analysis level with your attitude of "don't read, don't care". If you don't read other people's post, expect people to see you as poor poster, not just having different opinion.
His support run with Garnacho was hilarious. Garnacho central, one on one, and Weghorst very wide calling wildly for the pass.
He had a couple of passes that opened up their defence, not just the one. Still more than the rest of the team managed apart from maybe one cross field ball from Maguire and he was only on for 20 minutes. Eriksen, Case and Fernandes all seem to have forgotten how to pass a ball and a lot of our build up play suffered because of it.
He didn't have a shit game and it's a shame some people are unable to accept that.
I think people accept what he did, but think its not good enough, which is fair. I dont blame WW of course, hes been brought here from a championship team who didnt think he was good enough so sent him out on loan.
We essentially did get what we paid for.
Him not having a shit game is more so by his own standards. But the key moments of him having a chance to score (and not doing so) and the supporting run were actually shit.
What we need going into these last games are impact moments rather than anything else.
WW might have run more, and martial might not be good enough, but one thing martial did was change the game by getting into the position to be available for the 'tap in'.
For sure. I'm not saying he had a good game by any standards but this insistence that everything he ever does is shit just grates a little.
Nearly the end of the season, though. Only three games and the cup final to go before we can have a season to recharge/not complain every ten seconds like grumpy old bastards.
Ighalo was a better signing
Don’t think I’ll be posting in this thread again
Don’t think I’ll be posting in this thread again
Same applies to others like Martial and Antony. They had their contributions but the constant criticisms of them from many are starting to grate too
He had 1 in 2 on average in Bundesliga. Shows you how shite that league is when it comes into defending.
Indeed. He’s a championship level striker. But he puts in a shift at least. There were worse options out there. His saving grace is his work rate, attitude and hold up/link up play, which isn’t great but it’s good enough. Plucky is how I would describe him. But he’ll be gone next season and I imagine will be remembered as a sort of anti-striker parody. If you could design a footballer to be the polar opposite of Eric Cantona in every way, it’d probably be pretty close to Wout Workhorse.
Did well yesterday. More of that till the end of the season (when he comes on) before sailing into the sunset undoubtedly as a club legend.
Jaysus how on earth is that possible!? Small sample or a decent number of games?
The post you quoted previously doesn't imply the bolded part. Actually that post made better point about Fred and Garnacho having bigger impact IMO.
Hair splitting time:
Weghorst only had one pass that really opened up Wolves defense which was through ball to Bruno. The lay off to Sancho is a bog standard pass, technical wise. It's a good decision. It really didn't open the defense. Sancho was in one v one situation with defender but it's Sancho himself who opened shooting angle with his cut in/dribbling than the pass itself. And Casemiro winning the loose ball to get it to Weghorst was difficult part of the sequence than Weghorst lay off too. This is the only on ball positive Weghorst had before Fred and Garnacho came on. Other than that it was just off ball pressing effort, which multiple occasion, his effort didn't stop Wolves ability to play. Like the crosses Wolves put in our box right before Fred came on, Weghorst pressed but Wolves could bypass him with accurate long ball.
His other completed pass out of 4 passes is a lay off for Garnacho (difficult one for Garnacho to control under pressure) who quickly lost the ball. This is immediately before Fred's effort that won the ball back and ended up with Weghorst through ball to Bruno (Antony chance).
Fred impact is clearer. Soon after he came one resulted in Casemiro chance. Weghorst final complete pass of the 4, was a lay off for Fred, who beat 4 men press to get the ball to Bruno, who got it out to Antony (Immediately after Casimero chance, it's Weghorst who messed up the Bruno cross from the corner.) Another occasion, Fred anticipated to get back possession and carried the ball for the counter which Garnacho gave Bruno a heavy pass. Another occasion, Fred dribbled past several players and got us a freekick in good position at the edge of Wolves box.
Bruno botched a few passes during this period, but he did made more defense splitting pass: the assist, and corner for Weghorst. That lay off for Antony chance too if we just want to count everything literally.
The issue in this thread most caused by some people who piled on Martial as if they can trade that goal for Weghorst little contribution going into final 20 minute. They ignored the context of having a goal lead. Martial is not even good, but he can get away because ultimately he is talented and can do what matter. Weghorst didn't have enough quality, so despite his effort, he still needs a lot of thing to go right around him for him to make proper contribution at this level. It would be a mistake to use this cameo to push for Weghorst to start the next game up front if Rashford still out because of the injured.
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There was a stats that if they only count the period Weghorst played in Bundesliga, his tally is only behind Lewandowski and Haaland. Weghorst had a decent consistency in Bundesliga. Not saying much though, because the height of his best season is not that great. Werner got 28 in Bundesliga once. Young Kai Havert and Sancho got high teen season too and both have been struggling to get double digit in PL.
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2018-2019
| 1. | Robert Lewandowski | Poland | Bayern München | 22 (3) |
| 2. | Paco Alcácer | Spain | Borussia Dortmund | 18 (1) |
| 3. | Kai Havertz | Germany | Bayer Leverkusen | 17 (3) |
| Luka Jović | Serbia | Eintracht Frankfurt | 17 (1) | |
| Andrej Kramarić | Croatia | 1899 Hoffenheim | 17 (5) | |
| Marco Reus | Germany | Borussia Dortmund | 17 (3) | |
| Wout Weghorst | Netherlands | VfL Wolfsburg | 17 (4) | |
| 8. | Ishak Belfodil | Algeria | 1899 Hoffenheim | 16 (0) |
| Timo Werner | Germany | RB Leipzig | 16 (0) | |
| 10. | Sébastien Haller | Ivory Coast | Eintracht Frankfurt | 15 (3) |
| Yussuf Poulsen | Denmark | RB Leipzig | 15 (0) | |
| 12. | Jean-Philippe Mateta | France | 1. FSV Mainz 05 | 14 (0) |
| Kevin Volland | Germany | Bayer Leverkusen | 14 (0) | |
| 14. | Alassane Pléa | France | Bor. Mönchengladbach | 12 (0) |
| Jadon Sancho | England | Borussia Dortmund | 12 (0) |
2019-2020
| 1. | Robert Lewandowski | Poland | Bayern München | 34 (5) | |
| 2. | Timo Werner | Germany | RB Leipzig | 28 (3) | |
| 3. | Jadon Sancho | England | Borussia Dortmund | 17 (0) | |
| 4. | Wout Weghorst | Netherlands | VfL Wolfsburg | 16 (4) | |
| 5. | Rouwen Hennings | Germany | Fortuna Düsseldorf | 15 (4) | |
| 6. | Erling Haaland | Norway | Borussia Dortmund | 13 (0) |
Note: Haaland reached that number with only half a season.
2020-2021
| 1. | Robert Lewandowski | Poland | Bayern München | 41 (8) | |
| 2. | André Silva | Portugal | Eintracht Frankfurt | 28 (7) | |
| 3. | Erling Haaland | Norway | Borussia Dortmund | 27 (2) | |
| 4. | Andrej Kramarić | Croatia | 1899 Hoffenheim | 20 (5) | |
| Wout Weghorst | Netherlands | VfL Wolfsburg | 20 (2) |
2021-2022
| 1. | Robert Lewandowski | Poland | Bayern München | 35 (5) | |
| 2. | Patrik Schick | Czech Republic | Bayer Leverkusen | 24 (1) | |
| 3. | Erling Haaland | Norway | Borussia Dortmund | 22 (6) | |
| 4. | Anthony Modeste | France | 1. FC Köln | 20 (1) | |
| Christopher Nkunku | France | RB Leipzig | 20 (1) | ||
| 32. | Wout Weghorst | Netherlands | VfL Wolfsburg | 6 (1) |
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It's for every game he played for Wolfsburg in Bundesliga.
118 played, 59 goals, 20 assists
171 min per goal
So that's exactly 2 goals per game (not counting assists)
Which is why I'm getting skeptical at Bellingham for the price tag. We've been burned so many times.. Kagawa, Mkhi, Sancho. All turned out to be not very productive at United whereas they were very productive in Bundesliga. Haaland is a special case since he was already making fun of top team's defense and breaking records in CL before joining Dortmund.
I would rather see Elgana come off the bench and play striker. Wout is useless. Hell, I'd rather see Charlie McNeil given a shot. Neither of them could be any worse and it could help them develop...
Seemed like an obvious petulant behavior than the "joke" you claim it is. His immediate reaction to Garnacho not passing to him was to look away once he put the ball in the back of the net.
Maybe it's an inside joke you are privy to, but to most others it seemed like he was not too happy.
But Association Football plus the rest of us do. Martial put away a chance that Weghorst would have missed, that goal won us the game.
Wout looked a bit more energetic yesterday than he has done the last few months but other than that as usual he offered nothing.
Sadly yes I'd have to agree.
Yep he's as good as any striker in world football at that.
It wasn’t a joke. He’d seen his arse that a young kid didn’t pass to him.
I’m guessing, but may be wrong, that you’re referring to him being visibly pissed off when Garnacho took the shot and @Pogue Mahone is referring to the way he hung back during the celebration but then seem to give him a sort of jokey looking reproachful look when about to give him a hug.
Yes. I’m talking about the celebration.
In the moment after the goal, if he was disappointed he wasn’t set up for a tap in then that’s understandable. His lack of goals has become a meme so he must be absolutely desperate to score and won’t often get a better chance. He was evidently over that disappointment in seconds though. Weird thing to have a go at him for.
He had no right to want the pass. Garnacho was in a much better position to finish. He’d have been better changing his run to take the defender away but to sulk over it at that point in the game is poor.
Tap in…he was in a terrible position to have finished.In that case, I definitely missed seeing him being part of the celebration on TV. I just got a view of his initial reaction as he was on the screen and he looked visibly miffed that he didn't get the ball. Might be a trivial thing but when you aren't really contributing meaningfully to the team, then these things start getting noticed more easily.
Come on, players will always always 'want the pass' in that situation. It'd be extremely weird if a striker in particular didn't.
I wouldn't say that it was a joke or that it was petulant. More that it was just momentary disappointment, which is understandable considering his situation where he's been getting massive amounts of criticism and hasn't scored yet in the PL. He would have seen that moment as a fantastic opportunity to get the monkey off his back, and considering it was so late in a match that we were winning anyway it wasn't like Garnacho's goal won us the match so wasn't celebrated that way. He still came into the celebration with the others afterwards and congratulated Garnacho. I really don't see it as a big deal.
There's not a chance he scores if Garnacho passes to him at the end.
If Garnacho had wanted to he could have drawn the defender and keeper to one side and rolled it to Wout for a tap in that he couldn’t miss. And before any smart arses wade in, yes even Wout is good enough to score a tap in with an open goal.
Obviously Garnacho backed himself and good on him. But it’s not hard to see why Wout was disappointed he made that decision.
I just think the players ignore him and I'll be honest they're right to do so. I wouldn't fancy him to finish anything at this point. I'm not bothered about him being upset though, I think it's a perfectly normal reaction. It's not a sign of him being bitter or petulant or anything like that.
There'll be nobody more gutted at how bad he's been more than Weghorst himself.
I think this was not the first time he looked upset, disappointed, bothered, or whatever when someone else scored. Ronaldo does it all the time, and people call him a cnut for it. Wout probably has different reasons, such as not being able to score and becoming a meme instead of going for glory. But still I am not sure how good it is for the team's dressing room if it keeps happening. Fans already accuse him for not looking properly motivated when he started from the bench.
You’re stating an obvious personal opinion as fact, again.
Wout’s performance was much better than his usual, it was a good cameo overall, not shitting on him. But I really fail to see how it was better than Martial’s. Wout’s cameo ultimately didn’t have a big impact on the game, Martial’s goal basically won that game and Garnacho made sure of it. It might have been a simple tap in, but Martial put himself in a position for a tap in and finished it. And that is something that Wout has failed to do in 750 mins of EPL football, so it might not be so simple after all.
You guys are talking as if goals aren’t literally the number 1, 2 and 3 thing that this team is missing. We create chances but don’t finish them. And it’s not like we haven’t rated other players’ average performances (Rashford in so many games) highly, so long as they delivered the one thing we lacked the most: end product.
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